Could you be wrong?

[Lokisdottir]

You're not insane. You're just to proud and intellectually dependent on YOU and your intelligence to allow the ONE TRUE GOD to give you truth.

Don't worry. If I get too proud, my one 'n only Patron will fix that in a jif. He doesn't like it when people get too full of themselves. His philosophy seems to be "Chill out, and stop taking yourself so damn seriously!"

And you're right, I am dependent on myself, or at least I try my best to be. Self-reliance is one of the noble virtues of my religion.

Umm, your "gnawing" sensation was not addressed.

Right, because you were talking about belief in God and not a math problem. It's called an analogy.

 

[Electric Sceptic]

It wasn't my purpose in creating this thread to form a basis for argument, or even discussion, from people's responses. Rather, it was to find out the attitudes in relation to the OP to Christians.

However, I will take issue with a few points made by posters.

It is precisely because we are NOT perfect (and admit it) that we are Christians. We recognize our moral destitution before a holy God and accept His gracious offer of imputed righteousness.

Of course you are claiming perfection, at least in regard to your beliefs about god. Any person who says "I cannot be wrong in X belief" about any belief they hold are claiming perfection in their perception of the things that go into making up that belief.

Christians can know Jesus personally -- I do -- and to say that I could be in error is like saying well, I think my husband exists, but I could be wrong.

I think this comparison is entirely gratuitous. To compare knowing god to knowing, say, your husband, I find ridiculous in the extreme. Did you sleep next to Jesus last night? Did he sit across from you at the breakfast table? Go to the movies with you last weekend? You may say 'yes' to some or all of these things, but clearly he didn't do so in the same way that your husband did. I'm not sure of your exact beliefs, but most christians don't see Jesus in the same way they see their spouses, or hear him in the same way they hear their spouses; their 'knowing' of jesus boils down to nothing but a feeling. To compare this with a spousal relationship strikes me as disturbing.

Are [MY religious beliefs] wrong in an of themselves. - I say no.

The question/issue isn't ARE your religious beliefs wrong in and of themselves - it's COULD they be. Is it POSSIBLE that they are? Obviously, you will say that they aren't wrong, or you wouldn't believe them to be true. But the issue is COULD they be wrong. Is it possible that you are mistaken?

It's not an issue of CHRISTIANS being right. It never has been. It's an issue of Jesus Christ being right and people's rejection of HIM, not us.

Of course it's an issue of Christians being right. Claiming that it's an issue of Jesus Christ being right is merely begging the question. You hold a certain belief; obviously there is the theoretical (even if not the actual) possibility that this belief can be incorrect. I am asking as to the actual possibility that this belief can be incorrect. It has nothing to do with Jesus and everything to do with you.

 

[Zaac]

Right, because you were talking about belief in God and not a math problem. It's called an analogy.

In my neck of the woods, it's called talking about something that is irrelevant to what was being discussed.

 

[Zaac]

Of course it's an issue of Christians being right. Claiming that it's an issue of Jesus Christ being right is merely begging the question.

Then you continue to make it an issue of CHristians being right. You sound like you just want to argue with those blasted Christians.

You hold a certain belief; obviously there is the theoretical (even if not the actual) possibility that this belief can be incorrect.

There exists no possibility, NIL, that TRUTH is incorrect.

I am asking as to the actual possibility that this belief can be incorrect. It has nothing to do with Jesus and everything to do with you.

And people always are asking as to the actual possibility, yet not a single person in some 6000+ years has ever proven or shown anything said by God to be incorrect.

 

[Quijote]

Could MY religious beliefs be wrong? - Yes, I can practice them incorrectly.

Are they wrong in an of themselves. - I say no.

The question/issue isn't ARE your religious beliefs wrong in and of themselves - it's COULD they be. Is it POSSIBLE that they are? Obviously, you will say that they aren't wrong, or you wouldn't believe them to be true. But the issue is COULD they be wrong. Is it possible that you are mistaken?

It's not only possible that I am mistaken, I am mistaken most of the time about most things...according to my wife anyway

cheers

 

[glo]

Of course we may be wrong.
Yet it can't be proven till we're dead and get to see if it's the Christian God or the Islam god or the Hindu gods, etc... or Kingdom Comes.

But I have faith that Christinity is right. Yet faith is not scientific- but then logic and science are performed by silly fallible not at all omnipresent humans...
But sure, I could be wrong. I don't believe I am, but I could be.

 

[.Mikha'el.]

If I am wrong, I am better off being a Christian and being wrong than being an atheist and being wrong. Being a Christian, if am wrong, I can still fall back on the atheists being right, and there being no afterlife. Howver, if the atheists are wrong, then they are to suffer for all eternity.

 

[Quijote]

If I am wrong, I am better off being a Christian and being wrong than being an atheist and being wrong. Being a Christian, if am wrong, I can still fall back on the atheists being right, and there being no afterlife. Howver, if the atheists are wrong, then they are to suffer for all eternity.

Pascal's wager

 

[DJ_Ghost]

In my neck of the woods, it's called talking about something that is irrelevant to what was being discussed.

You don't have analogies in the USA?

Ghost

 

[Electric Sceptic]

Then you continue to make it an issue of CHristians being right. You sound like you just want to argue with those blasted Christians.

Sorry, but this thread is ENTIRELY about whether or not Christians believe they could be wrong. No arguing - just acquiring information. Sorry if that upsets you.

There exists no possibility, NIL, that TRUTH is incorrect.

The question at hand is whether there is a possibility that what YOU believe to be truth is, in fact, not true. It's obvious that truth is correct, by definition...if it's not correct, it's not truth.

And people always are asking as to the actual possibility, yet not a single person in some 6000+ years has ever proven or shown anything said by God to be incorrect.

What in the world does that have to do with anything? We are talking about the possibility of YOU (and other christians) being incorrect. Not about any god or his purported actions.

Apart from which, of course, many of the things reportedly said by god (as claimed by various religious denominations, sects and cults) have, indeed been shown to be incorrect. That's one of the problems...that nobody knows what god has said. All religions have various claims, but none are demonstrable.

 

[Electric Sceptic]

and science are performed by silly fallible not at all omnipresent humans...

As is faith.

 

[glo]

But I have faith that Christinity is right. Yet faith is not scientific- but then logic and science are performed by silly fallible not at all omnipresent humans...

As is faith.

Of course. Never said it wasn't. Nothing is ever certain.
Comes down to the possibility of knowledge doesn't it?

 

[Seeking...]

I could be wrong about anything.

I doubt that I am wrong that there is a God.

Anything I choose to believe about that God is suspect though...

 

[Zaac]

You don't have analogies in the USA?

Ghost

Sure we do. We just make sure we're comparing apples to apples.

AS such, his analogy is still irrelevant.

 

[Zaac]

Sorry, but this thread is ENTIRELY about whether or not Christians believe they could be wrong. No arguing - just acquiring information. Sorry if that upsets you.

I am too blessed to get upset over someone asking a question.

The question at hand is whether there is a possibility that what YOU believe to be truth is, in fact, not true. It's obvious that truth is correct, by definition...if it's not correct, it's not truth.

And that's why the answer to your original question is still NOPE.

What in the world does that have to do with anything? We are talking about the possibility of YOU (and other christians) being incorrect. Not about any god or his purported actions.

It may have nothing to do with you, but it has everything to do with those to whom you asked your OP. we deal in truth from GOD. And men such as yourself have been looking for this possibility that what HE says may be wrong for thousands of years.Yet none have EVER proven such.

Gosh. Have ya'll not figured this out yet? You purporting to make the Christian belief into something Christians say instead of what God SAYS is futile. You want to make it about US, and we're just going to keep on teling you that it's not about us. All we're doing is repeating what God has already said.

Now you don't have to accept that. But don't expect us to all of a sudden start espousing that the God of Creation is less than perfect and has given us something less than absolute truth. So I say to your OP again. NOPE. There is NO possibility that the God of Creation is anything but what He says He is: The Way, the Truth and the Life. John 14:16

Apart from which, of course, many of the things reportedly said by god (as claimed by various religious denominations, sects and cults) have, indeed been shown to be incorrect. That's one of the problems...that nobody knows what god has said. All religions have various claims, but none are demonstrable.

Fiddlesticks. There has never been a man who has disproved anything that God says.

 

[Lokisdottir]

Sure we do. We just make sure we're comparing apples to apples.

AS such, his analogy is still irrelevant.

Her.

You said that any doubt that is felt by an atheist about his belief is "proof" that said belief is wrong, and that a true atheist has no doubt whatsoever. I countered with an analogy. What's so irrelevant about the example I gave?

 

[Latreia]

Sorry, but this thread is ENTIRELY about whether or not Christians believe they could be wrong. No arguing - just acquiring information. Sorry if that upsets you.


The question at hand is whether there is a possibility that what YOU believe to be truth is, in fact, not true. It's obvious that truth is correct, by definition...if it's not correct, it's not truth.


What in the world does that have to do with anything? We are talking about the possibility of YOU (and other christians) being incorrect. Not about any god or his purported actions.

Apart from which, of course, many of the things reportedly said by god (as claimed by various religious denominations, sects and cults) have, indeed been shown to be incorrect. That's one of the problems...that nobody knows what god has said. All religions have various claims, but none are demonstrable.

You can't fool me, I know what a good old time you are having. How could you rock n roll if all you got from all the other members were only a yes or a no with no opinions, observations, elaborations, evasions or retorts? What kind of place would this good old Christian Forum be for you if you got only what you claim were the answers to your questions as posed? Ahhh, we would lose you right quick if we all agreed with you and all you could get was yes, yes, yes, yes, oh you are soooo right, ES, I can't deny that everything you say is correct and Absolute Truth. A mass falling on knees and kow tows as far as the eye can see...... "All Hail the Master of the Universe"*

*If it can be proven to exist, of course.




Giggle.

 

[Electric Sceptic]

I am too blessed to get upset over someone asking a question.

Well you're certainly doing a good impression of someone who is.

It may have nothing to do with you, but it has everything to do with those to whom you asked your OP.

Good for them. It's still irrelevant to this thread.

Gosh. Have ya'll not figured this out yet? You purporting to make the Christian belief into something Christians say instead of what God SAYS is futile. You want to make it about US, and we're just going to keep on teling you that it's not about us. All we're doing is repeating what God has already said.

I don't want to 'make it' about anything. It IS about what people believe. I'm asking questions about it. Don't get your knickers in a knot.

Fiddlesticks. There has never been a man who has disproved anything that God says.

Did you not even read the paragraph to which this is a response? I'll post it again, and hope that this time you actually read it:

Apart from which, of course, many of the things reportedly said by god (as claimed by various religious denominations, sects and cults) have, indeed been shown to be incorrect. That's one of the problems...that nobody knows what god has said. All religions have various claims, but none are demonstrable.

 

[£amb]

That isn't the issue. I wanted to find out how many Christians were realistic and realised they could be in error, and how many were [insert word of choice] enough to think themselves perfect.

Hmmm...so if I say yes then I'm being realistic, but if I say no then I'm being unrealistic? My answer is no to the original question about "what if wer'e wrong". As a believer, I will not deny or doubt His existance even if the question was hypothetical. Why the concern if we believe?

Who said I'm perfect? Have you seen my life? Do you witness the things I choose to do? I make very foolish choices at (many) times.

1 John 3:7 Dear children, do not let anyone lead you astray. He who does what is right is righteous, just as he is righteous.

I live my life to be righteous. Let me clarify this...I said I live my life to be righteous...not act righteous. There is a big difference. I live my life the way God intended me to with peace, gentleness, joy, kindness, patience, love, faithfulness, self-control and goodness. Those are the fruit of the Spirit which are evident in a believer's life. Do these qualities make me perfect? Heck no! Only when I stand before God...not man... will I be righteous. And I will also say that I do not claim to know everthing and say that I'm the perfect christian. No christian can claim that....if so, then they are fooling themselves.

 

[£amb]

You can't fool me, I know what a good old time you are having. How could you rock n roll if all you got from all the other members were only a yes or a no with no opinions, observations, elaborations, evasions or retorts? What kind of place would this good old Christian Forum be for you if you got only what you claim were the answers to your questions as posed? Ahhh, we would lose you right quick if we all agreed with you and all you could get was yes, yes, yes, yes, oh you are soooo right, ES, I can't deny that everything you say is correct and Absolute Truth. A mass falling on knees and kow tows as far as the eye can see...... "All Hail the Master of the Universe"*

*If it can be proven to exist, of course.




Giggle.

Bingo! ....and oh,...it made me giggle too...