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Electric Sceptic said:
This is addressed to all theists, particularly Christians:

Is it possible that all your religious beliefs - that there is a god, that Jesus was his son, and so forth - are wrong? Is it possible that there is actually no god?
It's possible. I make a point never to totally discount the idea that I'm wrong. It keeps me from getting too arrogant. :p
 
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Electric Sceptic said:
This is addressed to all theists, particularly Christians:

Is it possible that all your religious beliefs - that there is a god, that Jesus was his son, and so forth - are wrong? Is it possible that there is actually no god?

I would say that one shouldn't look a gift horse in the mouth even IF your question had validity.

If following certain ethics found in Christianity are done so out of love/respect/or even fear (Real or otherwise) and is the only thing holding some people back from doing unto others in an 'unpleasant' fashion, then the 'other' should be thankful either way.
 
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ChristianCenturion said:
I would say that one shouldn't look a gift horse in the mouth even IF your question had validity.

If following certain ethics found in Christianity are done so out of love/respect/or even fear (Real or otherwise) and is the only thing holding some people back from doing unto others in an 'unpleasant' fashion, then the 'other' should be thankful either way.
Thanks for - once again - attempting to divert a thread by failing to answer the question raised in the OP, inventing some excuse to do so, and then waffling on with something irrelevant.
 
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Electric Sceptic said:
This is addressed to all theists, particularly Christians:

Is it possible that all your religious beliefs - that there is a god, that Jesus was his son, and so forth - are wrong? Is it possible that there is actually no god?

no
 
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Electric Sceptic said:
This is addressed to all theists, particularly Christians:

Is it possible that all your religious beliefs - that there is a god, that Jesus was his son, and so forth - are wrong? Is it possible that there is actually no god?
Sure its possible. Anything is
 
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Electric Sceptic said:
That isn't the issue. I wanted to find out how many Christians were realistic...

I find that extremely difficult to believe considering most times that reality is pointed out, there is a proclivity from you to deny and deny only to go on and on stating that you are right... without substantiation.

This OP for example, it is well established that you can't prove God does not exist. So you beg the question only to ridicule any answer given. What part of people saying that the question is irrelevant in light of the benefit that is received either personally or to others? Or is it that the question is more important and you are hoping that begging the question and ad nauseam denial will influence others in seeing things as you do?

Your question: What if?
The answers given: Either way reaps benefits.

You have an opportunity here to show that you can be reasonable and concede that the answers given are sufficient - and it doesn't require you to admit (*gasp*) that there IS a God.
 
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I do not believe he has ridiculed any direct answer given. If someone made a post that really didn't address the question he pointed it out, but he has not stepped in on anyone who said no and started bombing them with questions or accusations.
 
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ChristianCenturion said:
I find that extremely difficult to believe considering most times that reality is pointed out, there is a proclivity from you to deny and deny only to go on and on stating that you are right... without substantiation.
Well, once again you offer nothing to the thread except ad hominem. Nice to see that you're consistent.

ChristianCenturion said:
This OP for example, it is well established that you can't prove God does not exist. So you beg the question
Do you know what "beg the question" means? I doubt it, because I haven't begged any question. The only question at issue is the one in the OP, and it hasn't been begged by anyone.

ChristianCenturion said:
only to ridicule any answer given.
Now you're into pure fantasy, since I haven't ridiculed anyone.

ChristianCenturion said:
What part of people saying that the question is irrelevant in light of the benefit that is received either personally or to others?
What part of the question didn't you understand? It's a simple one, one that many others have had no problem in answering. They, at least, don't try to (a) sidetrack the thread by starting aimless discussions or (b) insult me for even asking the question. If that's all you have to offer, let me know so I can just ignore your posts in the future.

ChristianCenturion said:
Or is it that the question is more important and you are hoping that begging the question and ad nauseam denial will influence others in seeing things as you do?
Back to insulting me and impugning my motives for even having the audacity to ask a question.

ChristianCenturion said:
Your question: What if?
Wrong. I thought the question was pretty simple, but obviously it's more complex than I thought, because you can't understand it. It neither states nor implies "what if" anything.

ChristianCenturion said:
The answers given: Either way reaps benefits.
Not an answer to the question in the OP. Next?

ChristianCenturion said:
You have an opportunity here to show that you can be reasonable and concede that the answers given are sufficient - and it doesn't require you to admit (*gasp*) that there IS a God.
Many of the answers given HAVE been sufficient. Several people have answered truthfully. YOUR answer(s) have not been sufficient. You have at no stage even attempted to answer the question, which is par for the course for you.
 
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Electric Sceptic said:
Well, once again you offer nothing to the thread except ad hominem. Nice to see that you're consistent.

Do you know what "beg the question" means? I doubt it, because I haven't begged any question. The only question at issue is the one in the OP, and it hasn't been begged by anyone.

Now you're into pure fantasy, since I haven't ridiculed anyone.

What part of the question didn't you understand? It's a simple one, one that many others have had no problem in answering. They, at least, don't try to (a) sidetrack the thread by starting aimless discussions or (b) insult me for even asking the question. If that's all you have to offer, let me know so I can just ignore your posts in the future.

Back to insulting me and impugning my motives for even having the audacity to ask a question.

Wrong. I thought the question was pretty simple, but obviously it's more complex than I thought, because you can't understand it. It neither states nor implies "what if" anything.

Not an answer to the question in the OP. Next?

Many of the answers given HAVE been sufficient. Several people have answered truthfully. YOUR answer(s) have not been sufficient. You have at no stage even attempted to answer the question, which is par for the course for you.

Oh, thank you. Now that you have explained that the question isn't an "if" and is in fact a question for theist - especially Christians - on 'COULD I be wrong?'
I'll answer: Yes, but I'm not.

I'm so glad that you didn't make empty, yet hypocritical accusations and personal attacks, but patiently explained how narrow your question actually was. :)
 
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Oh, thank you. Now that you have explained that the question isn't an "if" and is in fact a question for theist - especially Christians - on 'COULD I be wrong?'
Gee, took you three posts to actually read the question? Or it was a little too complex for you?

ChristianCenturion said:
I'm so glad that you didn't make empty, yet hypocritical accusations and personal attacks
That's your domain.

ChristianCenturion said:
but patiently explained how narrow your question actually was. :)
Sad that I had to do it. But still, I suppose everyone's comprehension skills can't be what they might...perhaps the education system is to blame.
 
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Electric Sceptic said:
That isn't the issue. I wanted to find out how many Christians were realistic and realised they could be in error, and how many were [insert word of choice] enough to think themselves perfect.

It is precisely because we are NOT perfect (and admit it) that we are Christians. We recognize our moral destitution before a holy God and accept His gracious offer of imputed righteousness.

Christians can know Jesus personally -- I do -- and to say that I could be in error is like saying well, I think my husband exists, but I could be wrong. How inane is that?

blessings on you
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Electric Sceptic said:
This is addressed to all theists, particularly Christians:

Is it possible that all your religious beliefs - that there is a god, that Jesus was his son, and so forth - are wrong? Is it possible that there is actually no god?

Could MY religious beliefs be wrong? - Yes, I can practice them incorrectly.

Are they wrong in an of themselves. - I say no.

cheers
 
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Nah, I don't think it's possible that I'm wrong (about there being a God). The only thing I could be wrong about and will readily admit is how I myself relate to God, or how I speak of him, or how my own humanity can be a hindrance to properly living out the life I'm supposed to for God, etc. I could be wrong about my ACTIONS when it comes to God, but I don't think I'm wrong about saying that there's at least a God in existence. I think the person who posted before me said something similar. I'm not the type that goes around claiming to be RIGHT all the time, so let me clear that up right now. I can't stand people like that, and I surely don't want to be one of them.

There's just too much going on in people's lives (miracles and such) that I feel too uncomfortable crediting "luck" with. Now that's just an example. But I do still think God has ways of making Himself known in someone's life when they're truly seeking Him. It's not always a lovey dovey nice way; sometimes you have to go through painful things to finally stop and say, "Okay God, HERE I AM." I think a lot of times, He just wants you to just be still and let Him BE. I had to go through a long trial of depression and self-hatred/criticism before God revealed Himself to me. No one knew what was going on in my head other than me and God, so when I heard a pastor's words while he hovered his hands on the sides of my temples, I wept. He spoke of things that only *I* uttered to myself. I don't know HOW in the heck he knew all that stuff. It was MY secret thoughts, but apparently, God knew that He had to "prove" himself to me that He was there along with me during my troubled times, and I'm continually thankful for that moment, and for Him speaking through that pastor, answering the questions I asked of Him IN MY OWN PRIVACY of my room. To me, it's not a coincidence; it couldn't have been. It was God.

I'm still learning as I go, and do still have a long way to go, but now that I'm certain that He's there with me, my moments of dipping into depression are going to decrease and then finally VANISH. Amen. Oyyy sorry that this was so long, but eh...I wanted to be clear. :D
 
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Sure, it is possible.

I mean, while I have relationship with God and for me God has helped me through a lot of tough times - that might all be some sort of delusion (though a highly useful one) - personally, I obviously don't believe this.

To me the question is in the same class of: Are the people on the other end of the phone really your relatives? I mean, like God, I can't SEE the people on the other end of the line and while I THINK they are the people I know because of how I know them and they know me - that is not proof and perhaps they are merely ether pixies who pretend to be my parents and I don't ever talk to my parents on the phone at all. Or maybe we all believe there are humans on the other end of the phone with far less empirical proof than most people have for thier religious convictions.
 
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