Could someone explain me evolution & Big Bang?

[selfinflikted]

You never learned about these things when you were a Christian? They're not incompatible with Christianity, despite what some people say.

How on earth is common descent not incompatible with Christianity? It seems to me that they are mutually exclusive.

(Or, at the very least evolution is at odds with the creation story)

 

[Oncedeceived]

How on earth is common descent not incompatible with Christianity? It seems to me that they are mutually exclusive.

(Or, at the very least evolution is at odds with the creation story)

Then you would be wrong. The creation narrative claims that kinds come after kinds of the same kind. Meaning that the kind listed in the narrative had kinds that were prior to it.

 

[Etheri]

I am interested in your experience in Christianity. I assume that you have not had God reveal Himself to you in any way. I know this because if you knew God you would not be in this place. If you are truly seeking I would say that you need to ask to be shown who God is and let Him be the one that guides you. However, I think it is great that you want to gain knowledge of our universe. How can you understand how remarkable our world is until you have an idea about how God created it.



Nothing creates nothing. The most common theory with evidence to support it explains the universe at its earliest moments. It does not have a reason or evidence of how it came into existence.




I'm not sure why you think it is young.



Too much to even say about this one.



Evidence for what claims? Are you asking people who don't believe in God what evidence they have for not believing? Are you asking for evidence for evolution? The issue is not evolution vs. creation. Evolution is not the property of atheists, or even naturalists. Evolution happens and it is man looking back on how God created. Evolution is a label. It is a definition of a process that allows change in life forms. It doesn't take the place of God nor does it provide evidence against creation.

1. RELIGION AND SCIENCE DO NOT WORK TOGETHeR. RESURRECTION OF THE DEAD, TALKING DONKEY, TALKING SNAKE, THE FLOOD, AND BIRTH FROM A virgin.

2. Failed Bible prophecies. Yes, Christians use that "prophecies of the Bible are true" which isn't even true.

Destruction of Tyre

For thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I will bring upon Tyrus Nebuchadrezzar king of Babylon, a king of kings, from the north, with horses, and with chariots, and with horsemen, and companies, and much people. He shall slay with the sword thy daughters in the field: and he shall make a fort against thee, and cast a mount against thee, and lift up the buckler against thee. And he shall set engines of war against thy walls, and with his axes he shall break down thy towers. By reason of the abundance of his horses their dust shall cover thee: thy walls shall shake at the noise of the horsemen, and of the wheels, and of the chariots, when he shall enter into thy gates, as men enter into a city wherein is made a breach. With the hoofs of his horses shall he tread down all thy streets: he shall slay thy people by the sword, and thy strong garrisons shall go down to the ground. And they shall make a spoil of thy riches, and make a prey of thy merchandise: and they shall break down thy walls, and destroy thy pleasant houses: and they shall lay thy stones and thy timber and thy dust in the midst of the water. And I will cause the noise of thy songs to cease; and the sound of thy harps shall be no more heard. And I will make thee like the top of a rock: thou shalt be a place to spread nets upon; thou shalt be built no more: for I the LORD have spoken it, saith the Lord GOD.

( Ezekiel 26:7-14 )

That was an example. More available here: Failed biblical prophecies - RationalWiki

3. Religions in a nutshell.

If you would be born in Iraq, you would most likely be a Muslim. Maybe in Africa some follower of pagan god(s). Etc. If God is real, then why not Zeus?

4. Bible contradictions.

Quiz Show (Bible Contradictions) - YouTube

5. Jesus said I am coming soon and the Christians for over 1500 years were thinking that He is coming soon.

And so on. Sorry, I'm just 15 years old, I study economics which really hasn't anything to do with creation or evolution whatsoever, and I'm not really fluent at English.

 

[Oncedeceived]

1. RELIGION AND SCIENCE DO NOT WORK TOGETHeR. RESURRECTION OF THE DEAD, TALKING DONKEY, TALKING SNAKE, THE FLOOD, AND BIRTH FROM A virgin.

2. Failed Bible prophecies. Yes, Christians use that "prophecies of the Bible are true" which isn't even true.

Destruction of Tyre

For thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I will bring upon Tyrus Nebuchadrezzar king of Babylon, a king of kings, from the north, with horses, and with chariots, and with horsemen, and companies, and much people. He shall slay with the sword thy daughters in the field: and he shall make a fort against thee, and cast a mount against thee, and lift up the buckler against thee. And he shall set engines of war against thy walls, and with his axes he shall break down thy towers. By reason of the abundance of his horses their dust shall cover thee: thy walls shall shake at the noise of the horsemen, and of the wheels, and of the chariots, when he shall enter into thy gates, as men enter into a city wherein is made a breach. With the hoofs of his horses shall he tread down all thy streets: he shall slay thy people by the sword, and thy strong garrisons shall go down to the ground. And they shall make a spoil of thy riches, and make a prey of thy merchandise: and they shall break down thy walls, and destroy thy pleasant houses: and they shall lay thy stones and thy timber and thy dust in the midst of the water. And I will cause the noise of thy songs to cease; and the sound of thy harps shall be no more heard. And I will make thee like the top of a rock: thou shalt be a place to spread nets upon; thou shalt be built no more: for I the LORD have spoken it, saith the Lord GOD.

( Ezekiel 26:7-14 )

That was an example. More available here: Failed biblical prophecies - RationalWiki

3. Religions in a nutshell.

If you would be born in Iraq, you would most likely be a Muslim. Maybe in Africa some follower of pagan god(s). Etc. If God is real, then why not Zeus?

4. Bible contradictions.

Quiz Show (Bible Contradictions) - YouTube

5. Jesus said I am coming soon and the Christians for over 1500 years were thinking that He is coming soon.

And so on. Sorry, I'm just 15 years old, I study economics which really hasn't anything to do with creation or evolution whatsoever, and I'm not really fluent at English.

You seem pretty fluent with English to me. You listed quite a load there. Nothing about God though or your personal possession of knowing God.

 

[selfinflikted]

Then you would be wrong. The creation narrative claims that kinds come after kinds of the same kind. Meaning that the kind listed in the narrative had kinds that were prior to it.

That's not what I mean. My point is, if common descent is true, which I believe btw, then that flies in the face of special creation. Does it not?

 

[Etheri]

You seem pretty fluent with English to me. You listed quite a load there. Nothing about God though or your personal possession of knowing God.

"Nothing about God?" Have you even watched the vid I posted there?

I would like to ask you a question. How much do you claim that God exist based on your personal knowledge, and how much do you rely on other people, maybe some Christian "scientists" that tell you that God is real?

And, how big is your knowledge of the all available information? In %.

 

[bhsmte]

I know if you know something you don't un-know it.

If you realize (through knowledge) that what you thought you knew was wrong, you have two options:

-you can pretend to fool yourself and pretend your new knowledge is not real, or make every effort to reject objective evidence, because you have a psychological need to hold onto your belief at all costs.

Or:

-you can come to the realization, that what you thought you knew was in fact wrong and adjust accordingly. When you can adapt with knowledge and admit you were mistaken, that is the sign of a healthy mind.

 

[selfinflikted]

"Nothing about God?" Have you even watched the vid I posted there?

I would like to ask you a question. How much do you claim that God exist based on your personal knowledge, and how much do you rely on other people, maybe some Christian "scientists" that tell you that God is real?

And, how big is your knowledge of the all available information? In %.

Most Christians believe in god because of perceived personal "god experiences." While these kinds of experiences might be enough to convince most people that god is real, cares about them, takes an active role in their lives, etc etc.. it is not, however, enough to convince me.

I suspect that OnceDeceived will tell you the same.

 

[Strathos]

How on earth is common descent not incompatible with Christianity? It seems to me that they are mutually exclusive.

(Or, at the very least evolution is at odds with the creation story)

Only if you ascribe to a literalist reading of Genesis.

 

[HitchSlap]

Only if you ascribe to a literalist reading of Genesis.

Yes, thanks to scientific progress, no reasonable person apprised of the data can any longer hold to a literal reading of G1. Which is why many contemporary Christians no longer do.

 

[Wiccan_Child]

And so on. Sorry, I'm just 15 years old, I study economics which really hasn't anything to do with creation or evolution whatsoever, and I'm not really fluent at English.

CF rules require posts to be on-topic, and to steer well clear of General Theology (which includes discussions on the veracity of Christianity, the Bible, etc). Your post violates both rules, and comes off as just Christian-bashing. Please stick to the topic.

 

[selfinflikted]

Only if you ascribe to a literalist reading of Genesis.

I agree with that.

But let me ask you something that puzzles me. How does one parse what parts of the Bible are supposed to be literal and what parts are not? I mean, if Genesis isn't supposed to be read literally, does that also apply to anything/everything else in the Bible? How do you know?

 

[bhsmte]

I agree with that.

But let me ask you something that puzzles me. How does one parse what parts of the Bible are supposed to be literal and what parts are not? I mean, if Genesis isn't supposed to be read literally, does that also apply to anything/everything else in the Bible? How do you know?

Excellent question.

I have had many a discussions with christians on this very topic. When you point out portions of the bible that are not pleasent, they state; you cant take that part literally. Yet, they turn around and state other portions should be taken literally and they follow this strategy to support their own specific beliefs.

Its a great trick if you can pull it off and convince yourself it works.

 

[selfinflikted]

Excellent question.

I have had many a discussions with christians on this very topic. When you point out portions of the bible that are not pleasent, they state; you cant take that part literally. Yet, they turn around and state other portions should be taken literally and they follow this strategy to support their own specific beliefs.

Its a great trick if you can pull it off and convince yourself it works.

Most Christians will say, "With the help of the Holy Spirit™." or something similar. But I like this guy, so I want to let him answer for himself. Then I have a followup question

 

[Wiccan_Child]

I agree with that.

But let me ask you something that puzzles me. How does one parse what parts of the Bible are supposed to be literal and what parts are not? I mean, if Genesis isn't supposed to be read literally, does that also apply to anything/everything else in the Bible? How do you know?

One litmus test I heard that makes seems to make rational sense is: "If it contradicts reality, it's metaphorical, allegorical, or otherwise telling us a story." By extension, if the events are supported by historical and archaeological evidence, then it's a record of Jewish history.

There's also more scholarly inference by studying prose and language use - we can deduce poetic flourishes from technical specs, so presumably an expert in ancient Hebrew can tell the difference between "Once upon a time..." and "On day 3 of month 6 of year 12, this happened..." - once is likely a metaphor, one likely isn't.

Sadly, it seems people who aren't experts in ancient Hebrew (which is almost everyone) interpret to suit their prior beliefs.

 

[bhsmte]

One litmus test I heard that makes seems to make rational sense is: "If it contradicts reality, it's metaphorical, allegorical, or otherwise telling us a story." By extension, if the events are supported by historical and archaeological evidence, then it's a record of Jewish history.

There's also more scholarly inference by studying prose and language use - we can deduce poetic flourishes from technical specs, so presumably an expert in ancient Hebrew can tell the difference between "Once upon a time..." and "On day 3 of month 6 of year 12, this happened..." - once is likely a metaphor, one likely isn't.

Sadly, it seems people who aren't experts in ancient Hebrew (which is almost everyone) interpret to suit their prior beliefs.

The issue is more complex than that thought. Certainly there are portions of the book that clearly go against reality and some parts do have historical credibility. But, there is a lot of content that doesnt fall into either of these categories and are selectively cherry picked to meet needs.

 

[Oncedeceived]

That's not what I mean. My point is, if common descent is true, which I believe btw, then that flies in the face of special creation. Does it not?

It may be to some interpretations but not the actual wording. Like I said it is kinds after its kind.

 

[Oncedeceived]

"Nothing about God?" Have you even watched the vid I posted there?

I would like to ask you a question. How much do you claim that God exist based on your personal knowledge, and how much do you rely on other people, maybe some Christian "scientists" that tell you that God is real?

And, how big is your knowledge of the all available information? In %.

You know I try not to make snap assessments in regard to anyone but you come off as more than 15 and certainly not someone that is only slowly moving away from Christianity. I fear that this is a case of the wolf in sheep's clothing. I hope I am wrong.

 

[Oncedeceived]

If you realize (through knowledge) that what you thought you knew was wrong, you have two options:

-you can pretend to fool yourself and pretend your new knowledge is not real, or make every effort to reject objective evidence, because you have a psychological need to hold onto your belief at all costs.

Or:

-you can come to the realization, that what you thought you knew was in fact wrong and adjust accordingly. When you can adapt with knowledge and admit you were mistaken, that is the sign of a healthy mind.

There are things you know. Correct. Things that are not debatable, or possible to change. Your existence. My existence. These are things that we know. WE don't change our opinion because it is a fact that we know. That is what we are looking at here. I know. I don't just believe, I know. So even if you don't understand that, you can't argue with me as to what I know and what I don't.

 

[Oncedeceived]

Only if you ascribe to a literalist reading of Genesis.

I believe that it is literal.