Could G-d have evolved... while Adam and Eve been created?

[Ken Rank]

That is one way to look at it.....
another way is to begin to recognize how much real power may lie in the choices that we make......

Deuteronomy 30:19

"I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, thatI have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live:"

Ezekiel 22:30

"And I sought for a man among them, that should make up the hedge, and stand in the gap before me for the land, that I should not destroy it: but I found none."

Your talking in this post about >>US<<making choices, not God. Look Dennis, Rev. 13:8 says that there was a lamb slain from the foundation of the world. The word for foundation is katabolē and it means conception, founding, laying down... even the act of injecting what comes from the man into a woman to cause her to become pregnant. We are talking before "Let there be light," before Adam... before anything physical. So, at least in the mind of God, there was a sacrifice of a lamb (or was He seeing His son?) at that stage which means what? It means He knew we would need to be redeemed before He even made us. Crazy? Not with a second witness that that second witness comes to us from Genesis 1:14 which says:

Gen. 1:14 Then God said, "Let there be lights in the firmament of the heavens to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs and seasons, and for days and years

The word for "seasons" is moedim... appointed times, the FEASTS. So, BEFORE God made Adam, BEFORE Adam sinned, God placed the sun, moon, and stars into their positions for a number of reasons INCLUDING so that we would know when the Feasts of God (See Lev. 23) would take place. And why is this significant? Because the feasts point to the work of Messiah... from Passover to Tabernacles... the work of Messiah is spelled out for all to see. Sooooo..... if God did this BEFORE Adam was made and before he sinned... the God knew we would need a Messiah to redeem us before we needed a Messiah to redeem us. No surprises, no guess work... He knows the end from the beginning and the beginning from the end why? Because He is eternal, everlasting, olam... He exists outside time. Unless, of course, you want to insist that olam can mean "everlasting until certain conditions are met," in which case, you might very well kill off God.

 

[juvenissun]

Perhaps... but we are in a position in these latter days to ask questions about infinite time in the past that could not have been understood so well a thousand years ago.

Is God infinitely ancient?

We still do not understand time.

 

[juvenissun]

so God isn't omniscient then? That at least makes for a more realistic God concept, but then it still contradicts the Bible.

God is. So He can give free will to humans, and honors that till the end of his life.

To the majority of human, God is obviously NOT omniscient nor omnipotent on the faith of a person. For example, God can NOT save a person directly who is determined to go against God (even God still can do it indirectly). God gives human free will. He will not interfere with that under any circumstances. When I was born, God does NOT know if I will be a Christian or not.

No. This is NOT contradict to anything said in the Bible.

 

[Inkfingers]

Or is learning a part of being complete?

We learn what we do not know.

God knows all things.

 

[1 Timothy 4:1]

But..... by this do you mean that G-d is so lacking in power.... that G-d cannot create one time line in which the mark of the beast is fulfilled by the year 2010.... but in our time line it has already been delayed past the end of 2017?

In 1975 Dannion Brinkley had a near death experience..... was shown about 117 future events but..... around the 1990's we diverged into a time line where the mark of the beast that he had been shown..... .has been delayed by about a decade already.

Standard Christian practice... is to label Dannion a "false prophet" after reading the following..... but I am thinking that what he was shown is anecdotal evidence indicative of applied Multiverse Theory, non-linear time..... or many Ezekiel 37 events.

Basically..... perhaps you and I have already gone through an Ezekiel 37 resurrection...... but into a time line where more of the Holy Spirit has been poured out...... and maybe we have evidence for the resurrection of the dead..... within Multiverse.

Why?

To lead more and more of us to repentance and heaven in more than one resurrection.

No he can't create multiple timelines because he could only once get body and die for our sins , in the other timeline he would be guilty of making mankind knowing that they would sin and not providing a way to escape sin .

It's like if you put rat under bucket and blamed it for not escaping even tho it could not on it's own because bucket is too heavy . It would be your fault for placing that rat there with bucket over it in first place .

When Christ got body it's eternal body without blood , there is no remission without shedding of blood he can't get another body to pay for somebody in different timeline .

Also recommending less TV and less science fiction because all of that is just joke .

 

[Kenny'sID]

God knows all things.

So you are saying God made man knowing he would wish he had not?

When was he last time you made something when you knew ahead of time you would regret making it? Seems a foolish thing to do to me, and God is no fool, of that I'm sure.

 

[Inkfingers]

So you are saying God made man knowing he would wish he had not?

When was he last time you made something when you knew ahead of time you would regret making it? Seems a foolish thing to do to me, and God is no fool, of that I'm sure.

So you are saying that there are things God does not know?

Hmmm...let me think on that a moment....

 

[Kenny'sID]

So you are saying that there are things God does not know?

Hmmm...let me think on that a moment....

He knows everything that's knowable.

 

[Kaon]

The apocryphal and Gnostics explain in detail what happened before that lead to this.

Essentially, there is a cosmic entity that is masquerading as the Most High God, and it is that thing that people should be associating with the chaos of this world. The entity is desperately fighting for control of those chaotic realms - having dissolved its possibility of being with the Most High God in any prximity.

It is the god of forces from Daniel; the one no one knows about - not even the Hebrews in their spiritual fornication.

 

[xianghua]

So you are saying that there are things God does not know?

Hmmm...let me think on that a moment....

one thing we do know: there are many evidence for god existence.

 

[Speedwell]

one thing we do know: there are many evidence for god existence.

How much is there for your particular theology?

 

[xianghua]

How much is there for your particular theology?

a lots. as you can see in my signature discussion. every complex biological system is such evidence.

 

[Speedwell]

a lots. as you can see in my signature discussion. every complex biological system is such evidence.

So far all you have tried to do is show that intelligent design is detectable in biological systems. Is that your entire theology?

 

[Bugeyedcreepy]

a lots. as you can see in my signature discussion. every complex biological system is such evidence.

Nope, that's an epic fail. The self replicating watch argument (along with robot penguins, reproducing cars and the like) are all foundless conjecture with no basis in reality. You've spent literally hundreds of pages in that thread and from it you've proved nothing other than your lack of comprehension and failure in applied critical thinking.

I don't expect you'll ever be able to learn why you're so wrong on that.

 

[Ophiolite]

a lots. as you can see in my signature discussion. every complex biological system is such evidence.

I address this in my signature. You can probably figure out which item it is.

 

[Job 33:6]

I suspect that this could be termed Theistic Evolutionary Theory.

Many Theists may find this idea extremely annoying..... because the idea of G-d learning and getting better at creation over infinite time in the past....... goes against G-d.... always knowing everything......... which is necessary to be defined as "G-d?"

The Fundamental Force

The Fundamental Force
Wave Theory and Gender: Why Sex

A baby is born, and grows and changes over time. This doesnt mean that God "learns" and "gets better" at creating the baby from birth to adulthood. God could hypothetically make all of mankind instantaneous adults. But no, God made a system that by its nature adjusts through time.

and its actually smart because, if life could not adjust and be flexible, life would go extinct. Really, at least with regard to life, evolution is a superior form of creation, vs non evolving life. Life that cannot change and adapt and evolve, will always be inferior to life that can adapt and change and evolve.

 

[FormerAtheist]

I suspect that this could be termed Theistic Evolutionary Theory.

Many Theists may find this idea extremely annoying..... because the idea of G-d learning and getting better at creation over infinite time in the past....... goes against G-d.... always knowing everything......... which is necessary to be defined as "G-d?"

The Fundamental Force





The Fundamental Force




Wave Theory and Gender: Why Sex

Ill make a prediction this is an atheist in disguise that is trying to put out some sort of trap.

Ehhh I'm wrong many times so what do I know?

 

[DennisTate]

Ill make a prediction this is an atheist in disguise that is trying to put out some sort of trap.

Ehhh I'm wrong many times so what do I know?

I have read quite a few of Dr. Chaim Henry Tejman's webpages and he impresses me as a Theist...........
or perhaps like Dr. Albert Einstein termed himself......"a pantheist after the order of Spinoza?"