Could G-d have evolved... while Adam and Eve been created?

[DennisTate]

Hahahah
Please illustrate how GMm/r^2 represents a woman.
Also, I use salt shakers, they spray salt. Are they male?

One theory on this is that the Holy Spirit could be G-d the Mother..... the Shekinah Glory of G-d....... but that is above my own Security Clearance Level....... I can't know that for certain.

 

[Stabat Mater dolorosa]

God is kind of twofolded I believe. One side is a permanent, never changing side. He is God and thus he is and always have been perfect and complete. It's unchangeable.
The other side of Him is the side that interacts with his creation. That side is moved by the relationship he has with mankind.
In this way he's never more complete than at any previous point. He cannot be lesser or greater, He is God and has always been, still he's not static or impersonal. He is a living God which feels emotions and love walking with us.

Living breathing AND flawless and pure.

 

[SolomonVII]

God is outside of time, Alpha and Omega, beginning and end, coexisting in the essence of ,the Divine I Am. The beginning is not the end, nor the end the beginning, but the essence of God contains both beginning and end, and everything in between.
From the perspective of beings within time, from the perspective of Sacred history, of the Bible even, there is a transformation of God in the garden walking with Adam in the cool of the evening to God in the chronologically final book of the Old Testament in Daniel, cool and aloof and distant. A God who bleeds and grows and occupies historic time is certainly an evolution from all that came before too, as God is written as Jesus in the New Testament.
Life is change. To the extent that God shares our life, shares our human nature, he changes with us. He grows and matures with us,patiently, steadfastly, at our own pace, and not at his.

From his eternal perspective though he is beginning and end. The end preexists all that comes before as the ultimate goal of existing in time. He is Emmanuel, God with us, God immanent, sharing our nature and sharing our load and guiding us along with him toward the Omega, at our side for every step along the way.
There is nothing random about the evolution of the Divine. It is forever toward a preordained goal.
One of the lessons that may come from this kind of understanding is that we grow, with God, from his lessons left down to us in the Biblical distant past. The lessons of the Bible are not static. The goal is never to return to some Golden Age of divinely commanded wars to establish a Promised Land, not even a return to the Garden of Eden. Our purpose is not a return to the Alpha, but to forever grow, forever evolve toward our Omega. We do not replicate the Alpha but grow from the Alpha into the Omega, through the gifts of the Holy Spirit.
God is in us. Our bodies are his Temple. As we grow in God, his Spirit grows in us.

That is an evolution of a sort, but there is nothing random about it. God is and was and shall be. We are progressing from God to God through God.

 

[Stabat Mater dolorosa]

Q: Is God in the time or outside of it?
A: both

 

[1 Timothy 4:1]

Topic is complete heresy because according to Bible God does not change . Malachi 3:6

Also by Christian's definition of God he is most high and eternal , he can't be eternal evolving while being most high for eternity because something could be better than him without the need of evolving in first place it's just plain stupid .

 

[Aldebaran]

One theory on this is that the Holy Spirit could be G-d the Mother..... the Shekinah Glory of G-d....... but that is above my own Security Clearance Level....... I can't know that for certain.

Off the topic a bit--but I just wanted to ask why you spell "God" as "G-d"? I've seen people do that in the past, but never understood it and never had the opportunity to ask until now. Looking through this thread, I see nobody else asked, so....

 

[DennisTate]

Off the topic a bit--but I just wanted to ask why you spell "God" as "G-d"? I've seen people do that in the past, but never understood it and never had the opportunity to ask until now. Looking through this thread, I see nobody else asked, so....

I write a lot of discussions that are relevant to Orthodox and Chassidic Jews.......
they fear to say or write the full name of G-d in any form..... so.... by omitting the vowels from the name G-d an Orthodox Jew who may have went from one of my discussions that is highly relevant to him...... comes here... and feels at least a little bit more at home.


Should Christians support Rebuilding of Jerusalem Third Temple.

 

[DennisTate]

Topic is complete heresy because according to Bible God does not change . Malachi 3:6

Also by Christian's definition of God he is most high and eternal , he can't be eternal evolving while being most high for eternity because something could be better than him without the need of evolving in first place it's just plain stupid .

But..... by this do you mean that G-d is so lacking in power.... that G-d cannot create one time line in which the mark of the beast is fulfilled by the year 2010.... but in our time line it has already been delayed past the end of 2017?

In 1975 Dannion Brinkley had a near death experience..... was shown about 117 future events but..... around the 1990's we diverged into a time line where the mark of the beast that he had been shown..... .has been delayed by about a decade already.

Standard Christian practice... is to label Dannion a "false prophet" after reading the following..... but I am thinking that what he was shown is anecdotal evidence indicative of applied Multiverse Theory, non-linear time..... or many Ezekiel 37 events.

Basically..... perhaps you and I have already gone through an Ezekiel 37 resurrection...... but into a time line where more of the Holy Spirit has been poured out...... and maybe we have evidence for the resurrection of the dead..... within Multiverse.

Why?

To lead more and more of us to repentance and heaven in more than one resurrection.

BOX 12: Technology & Virus

The 11th box was gone & I was into the 12th box. Its visions addressed an important event in the distant future, the decade of the 90's (remember, this was 1975), when many of the great changes would take place. In this box, I watched as a biological engineer from the Middle East found a way to alter DNA & create a biological virus that would be used in the manufacture of computer chips. This discovery allowed for huge strides in science & technology. Japan, China, & other countries of the Pacific Rim experienced boom times as a result of this discovery & became powers of incredible magnitude. Computer chips produced from this process found their way into virtually every form of technology, from cars & airplanes to vacuum cleaners & blenders.

Before the turn of the century, this man was among the richest in the world, so rich that he had a stranglehold on the world economy. Still the world welcomed him, since the computer chips he had designed somehow put the world on an even keel. Gradually, he succumbed to his own power. He began to think of himself as a deity & insisted on greater control of the world. With that extra control, he began to rule the world.

His method of rule was unique. Everyone in the world was mandated by law to have one of his computer chips inserted underneath his or her skin. This chip contained all of an individual's personal information. If a government agency wanted to know something, all it had to do was scan your chip with a special device. By doing so, it could discover everything about you, from where you worked & lived to your medical records & even what kind of illnesses you might get in the future.

There was an even more sinister side to this chip. A person's lifetime could be limited by programming this chip to dissolve & kill him with the viral substance it was made from. Lifetimes were controlled like this to avoid the cost that growing old places on the government. It was also used as a means of eliminating people with chronic illnesses that put a drain on the medical system. People who refused to have chips implanted in their bodies roamed as outcasts. They could not be employed & were denied government services." (Dannion Brinkley, Saved By The Light, chapter 5)

 

[Aldebaran]

I write a lot of discussions that are relevant to Orthodox and Chassidic Jews.......
they fear to say or write the full name of G-d in any form..... so.... by omitting the vowels from the name G-d an Orthodox Jew who may have went from one of my discussions that is highly relevant to him...... comes here... and feels at least a little bit more at home.


Should Christians support Rebuilding of Jerusalem Third Temple.

I see. I thought it might have had something to do with that. I've heard that the letters YHWH was supposed to be "G-d's" proper name without vowels for the same reason. I didn't know it would also apply to "God" since the same word can be spelled with a small "g" to make reference to idols.

 

[Kenny'sID]

God learning would imply that God is incomplete, which He is not.

Or is learning a part of being complete?

As for the OP, not really sure what that other stuff you posted was, looked a bit out the to me, but I have always thought it not only possible but somewhat of a given, God learns. We were created in Gods image...we learn.

Genesis 6:6
And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.

Had God known already, why would he make something that he would regret making? When he first made it, he said it was good, but turns out...well, you figure it out. Even we don't make things if we know we will regret making them, so why would God, unless he didn't know the outcome? He learned, he tried a few things to see how things went, until finally the ultimate sacrifice....or the last draw/take it or leave it, as it could be seen as.

 

[juvenissun]

I suspect that this could be termed Theistic Evolutionary Theory.

Many Theists may find this idea extremely annoying..... because the idea of G-d learning and getting better at creation over infinite time in the past....... goes against G-d.... always knowing everything......... which is necessary to be defined as "G-d?"

God tells you (otherwise, you won't know) that He creates things through time, does not mean He tells you that He is learning through time.

You made a serious logic and theological mistake.

 

[juvenissun]

Genesis 6:6
And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.

Had God known already, why would he make something that he would regret making?

Can you see the simple answer of this question?
Free Will. God gives human Free Will, which He would not interrupt.

 

[DennisTate]

Or is learning a part of being complete?

As for the OP, not really sure what that other stuff you posted was, looked a bit out the to me, but I have always thought it not only possible but somewhat of a given, God learns. We were created in Gods image...we learn.

Genesis 6:6
And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.

Had God known already, why would he make something that he would regret making? When he first made it, he said it was good, but turns out...well, you figure it out. Even we don't make things if we know we will regret making them, so why would God, unless he didn't know the outcome? He learned, he tried a few things to see how things went, until finally the ultimate sacrifice....or the last draw/take it or leave it, as it could be seen as.

Wow!!!!!!!!!

I so thank you Kenny for this thoughtful and insightful reply.

I totally agree with you and the other stuff from post one is something of a set up to get some of us thinking about how to come up with a version of Theistic Evolutionary Theory that actually could be taught in USA and Canadian schools within a number of years..... I believe that the Dr. Chaim Henry Tejman writings on Wave Theory lay the foundation for this.

Here is a related topic:

Do you want to see Intelligent Design taught in universities and schools?

 

[Kenny'sID]

I so thank you Kenny for this thoughtful and insightful reply.

So many would not agree, but you're welcome.

I totally agree with you and the other stuff from post one is something of a set up to get some of us thinking about how to come up with a version of Theistic Evolutionary Theory that actually could be taught in USA and Canadian schools within a number of years..... I believe that the Dr. Chaim Henry Tejman writings on Wave Theory lay the foundation for this.

Wrong or right, I sometimes think I'm just too simple minded.

 

[DennisTate]

God tells you (otherwise, you won't know) that He creates things through time, does not mean He tells you that He is learning through time.

You made a serious logic and theological mistake.

Perhaps... but we are in a position in these latter days to ask questions about infinite time in the past that could not have been understood so well a thousand years ago.

Is God infinitely ancient?

 

[DennisTate]

So many would not agree, but you're welcome.



Wrong or right, I sometimes think I'm just too simple minded.

Christian near death experiencer Bob Jones reported that during his 1975 NDE he only felt comfortable in the lowest level of heaven........ He said that the energy of the second and third level made him feel uneasy..... .He said that he was like a baby Christian during his brush with the higher dimensions and he got the impression that we would be learning.... and learning.... and learning..... .and growing to higher levels for eternity in the future.

 

[DennisTate]

Can you see the simple answer of this question?
Free Will. God gives human Free Will, which He would not interrupt.

Good point..... but G-d does have plans to
decrease our free will in favor of more control over world events in the near future according to Christian near death experiencer who was an Atheist before his NDE.

Malachi 4:5

"Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the LORD:
And he shall turn the heart of the fathers to the children, and the heart of the children to their fathers, lest I come and smite the earth with a curse."

Reverend Howard Storm's Near-Death Experience

The future that they showed me was almost no technology at all. What everybody, absolutely everybody, in this euphoric future spent most of their time doing was raising children. The chief concern of people was children, and everybody considered children to be the most precious commodity in the world.



And when a person became an adult, there was no sense of anxiety, nor hatred, nor competition.



There was this enormous sense of trust and mutual respect. If a person, in this view of the future, became disturbed, then the community of people all cared about the disturbed person falling away from the harmony of the group. Spiritually, through prayer and love, the others would elevate the afflicted person.



What people did with the rest of their time was that they gardened, with almost no physical effort. They showed me that plants, with prayer, would produce huge fruits and vegetables.



People, in unison, could control the climate of the planet through prayer. Everybody would work with mutual trust and the people would call the rain, when needed, and the sun to shine.



Animals lived with people, in harmony.

Howard Storm's light being friends told him more about the new world to come. According to them, God wished to usher in the kingdom within the next two hundred years. In order to do so, God had rescinded some of the free will given to creatures, in favor of more divine control over human events. This new world order, according to Howard, will resemble some near-death descriptions of heaven. People will live in such peace and harmony and love that communication will be telepathic, travel instantaneous and the need for clothing and shelter eliminated. The lion will indeed lie down with the lamb.

 

[Bugeyedcreepy]

I have to admit that this video.... that my daughter sent to me a few weeks ago really impressed me! I would eventually love to have it proven to me that the Gap Theory is wrong....... but I am not able to see how just yet...... but here is some evidence that sure helped.

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10155731997529669

Apologetics by non-scientists won't change the facts. These "Theory of Evolution Debunked" apologetics are distortions and you'd do better to avoid them, unless of course you want to maintain an incorrect belief system...

Off the topic a bit--but I just wanted to ask why you spell "God" as "G-d"? I've seen people do that in the past, but never understood it and never had the opportunity to ask until now. Looking through this thread, I see nobody else asked, so....

I was right behind you on this! I was curious too!

Can you see the simple answer of this question?
Free Will. God gives human Free Will, which He would not interrupt.

so God isn't omniscient then? That at least makes for a more realistic God concept, but then it still contradicts the Bible.

 

[Ken Rank]

Let's go at this from another angle..........
Is G-d sufficiently powerful to set up a situation where G-d..... surprises Himself?????

We might tend to think..... no....... G-d cannot be surprised because G-d knows all.............. and has all power....... but what if G-d WANTED a surprise?????


Genesis 22:12

¶
And he said, Lay not thine hand upon the lad, neither do thou any thing unto him: for now I know that thou fearest God, seeing thou hast not withheld thy son, thine only sonfrom me."

Could G-d have gotten to know Abraham better...... .after Abraham...... made a certain choice / decision?????

I disagree about the word olam (everlasting). I can share a number of examples but it isn't important... because you can't do much to change "God does not change." You also have another issue, if we serve a God who can be surprised.... then we serve a God that might have miscalculated when he sent Jesus to pay the price of sins. What if He was wrong? Your "theory" open us up to that possibility and... well, that not only reshapes God, it opens the door for many to walk away from the faith. This is a dangerous thread!

 

[DennisTate]

I disagree about the word olam (everlasting). I can share a number of examples but it isn't important... because you can't do much to change "God does not change." You also have another issue, if we serve a God who can be surprised.... then we serve a God that might have miscalculated when he sent Jesus to pay the price of sins. What if He was wrong? Your "theory" open us up to that possibility and... well, that not only reshapes God, it opens the door for many to walk away from the faith. This is a dangerous thread!

That is one way to look at it.....
another way is to begin to recognize how much real power may lie in the choices that we make......

Deuteronomy 30:19

"I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, thatI have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live:"

Ezekiel 22:30

"And I sought for a man among them, that should make up the hedge, and stand in the gap before me for the land, that I should not destroy it: but I found none."