Convince Me

[carmi]

Dont ask me questions anymore. If you can actually read you'd see the forum says convince me, not harass me with thirty different questions at a time. If you got some actual knowledge and want to share how you started to believe in Jesus ect. then post. If not, dont bother being an ass.

"Convince me" is the title you gave this threat. Your original post goes:

quote Any of you out there who know there bible really well and study alot. I would like you to convince me to believe in Christ and God. I have done alot of studies to and at the moment I am athiest. But dont just tell me have faith in eternal life cause christ gave his life for you. Back up your word please.unquote

You come in here announcing how much you studied - of course people would want to know what you studied and what you learnt from your studies. How else is one supposed to level with you?

And quite frankly, a four year old caught with his fingers in a cookie jar can come up with a more intelligent and polite way to get himself out of that pickle than you. Your attitude is not amusing, and neither it is intimidating. All satan can do nowadays is bully - he lost his shirt and everything else the second the Lord Jesus Christ said "It is finished."

Didn't the one you worship and follow tell you to be prepared? Well, the One we worship and follow told us to be prepared in season and out of season and to study to show ourselves approved. Don't blame us or whine when you can't answer the questions - you are the only one who calls others stupid. All we try is to find out how much you actually know in order not to overload you. It seems you can't handle much. Fine, now we know that.

Since belief in the Lord Jesus Christ and eternal life belong together - and you wanted us to back up our word ... I have to ask you again whether or not you learnt something about operation and grafting in your studies. Both appear in the Bible but also in scientific reports. Surely you don't want me to harrass you with a detailed account of something you already know and studied. Why waste your time by telling you something you already know. But it could be that you don't know, so I need to ask you. And others will ask you for the same reason.

Did you really expect you could come here and post one post and we all would run?

 

[Valhalla]

Simmilar question was asked in another thread - here was my reply to that one ...

"Wouldn't you rather seek answers yourself rather then tell others "try and convince"? ...Gods seeks those who earnestly seek him, not those who want to have God proven to them."

What is a missionary then?

 

[Rafael]

So your religion relies on the sayings in the bible?

It relies upon faith in God. Anything powerful enough to construct such design into life and into the universe we inhabit would also have the power to record a simple book of instructions for His best creation in His image. If He could not do this, then He would not be very powerful at all, but by looking at creation and man's feeble attempts to explain it away as accidental......well, that is the faultiest logic I've ever heard. A person's own eyes are enough to know that God could inspire, by His Spirit, the Bible.
How many dimensions are there now that we don't know of, especially that the mathematics that unifies quantum and relative physics only works with nine to elleven dimensions? Which of those harmonizes the others and is where the spirits dwell and seek power in this dimesion? We don't know, but the Bible speaks of them regularly and of the power in those high places that battle and desire to rule this physical dimension God created just for man and His fellowship with man. The Bible says that man lives inside of God, and that He also became flesh so He could have fellowship with His creation and enjoy it. The spark of love could not happen between Him and man until He allowed evil to exist as an atitheisis to His goodness so that man could make a fateful choice in that garden where the spiritual and physical met. Since man failed, authority was given over to satan and he is now the prince of this world with power, but diminished by what Jesus did at the cross, in paying the price for man's fall and taking back the keys to the chains that enslave men to sin and death. We don't have to sin and die anymore, but satan rages and still provides that choice until all the family of God, by faith, shines through the darkness, having chose to love God for first showing His love to them. When the time of the Gentiles is over, He returns and many will want to be hidden from Him because this time He does not come as Lamb, but as Lion.
Proof? Look to the Middle East and Israel, today. The Bible said that Israel would be a nation again with the Jews gathered one last time in history as they were the original mesengers of God's word, and although they sinned against Him and were scattered, He never forgets or goes back on a promise (covenant). We Christians benefit from their blindness to their own Messiah, as by it, salvation has been offered to all man and not just a few, but the Bible is clear that He would gather them together one more time and that the world and the devil, who runs the world system with its greed and murder, would hate them and seek their destruction from the day they again inhabited the land. Well take a look and see if that has not been true in the short history of Israel since 1948. What is the ruckus about over there? It is over Jerusalem and the temple mount. The world's greed for oil has given the Jew's enemies the money to use nuclear weapons, and see if chaos is not part of this world very soon, as the Bible predicts the war of Armageddon. I has already started in Iraq and only need a few years to wind up. The Bible gives the begining to the end, and the wise will give heed to the prophecies and words of life contained in it.

 

[JohnnyV]

I want people to answer me this question.

Without saying the bible.
How do you know Jesus Christ lived and did such miracles?

Read Roman History.

 

[Locket]

Jews and Romans both admit Jesus was a real man who walked the earth.

I'm really sorry if I came across as pushy or bossy or whatever but I don't get your side jsut like you don't get mine. I might have missed it but I see no proof for your side either.

 

[CarnalReligion]

Try to keep the posts simple please, not too long.

 

[TylerHerrin99]

as surley as i am alive here on earth, i will be alive in heaven, the seeds of plants must first die before they ever truely live.

 

[CarnalReligion]

Instead of convincing me now.

I want to here what people would have me do to get the same belief as you.

Just curious.

As I said before

 

[Daughter of His]

Hey Carnal,

Mostly read the Bible, beginning in the New Testament, most people suggest John is a good beginning place. Don't try to read and understand alot each day, just some each day. Pray everyday, tell God everything on your mind, and ask for His help. Ever gone to Church? There are so many different kinds, there is definately one for you too. Get to know some Christians, most are nice. Just keep an open mind and allow God teach you through His word and ask for help if you don't understand something. Trying to keep it short.

 

[xsynerinc]

I guess some people dont comprehend what im saying. Is there any proof that the prophecies are being fulfilled ect. You cant just believe in something without knowing its real. Thats pure stupidity .

there are just a few


the dispersion of the Jews
deut.28:58-68 this is historical knowledge

the prophecies that Israel would become a nation.
Lev.26:18; Is.66:7-9; Ezek.4:3-6 - May 14,1948
(not exhaustive)

the prophecies that Israel would return to their land.
Jer.23:7-8, 30:3; Zeph.3:10; Zach.10:6 Russian, Ethiopian
Nov. 1989, from Russia

Ezek.37:11-14 though unbelievers concerning their Messiah
(not exhaustive)

Jerusalem a "cup of trembling" - no nation supporting Israel
Ps.83:4-8
Zach.12:2 - Dec 20 2001
(not exhaustive)

Israel blossoms
Is.27:6 now the major supplier of fresh fruits and veggies to Europe

Roman empire revives
Dan.2:40-44 the European Union



Jesus 2nd coming
deut.30:1-13; Am.9:14-15; Zach.14:1-4
(not exhaustive)

the prophecies that Jesus would come.
AD.4 His birth
Gen.3:14-15; Mic.5:2; Is.7:13-16; Zech.6:12-13; Is.9:2, 6-7; Dan.9:25; Zach.9:9-17; Matt.21:1-9
(not exhaustive)

A.D.33 His death
Ps.22:16; Is.53:5-8; Zach.12:10; Jn.19:7
(not exhaustive)

 

[nhzname]

Religion, no matter which one you choose, or non-religion will fix your heart & life like Jesus can. Notice I did not say Christianity.. let me tell you why. Christianity has its good points. The bad part is that the different denominations of christianity bring division and strife to the believers more often than not. Jesus wasn't about all that. Jesus was not a religion, he was a savior of the masses from religious dogma & sin. Seek him, not Christianity.

and

I'm just coming into this thread and still have more to read, but this is the most accurate summerization I've seen thus far.

Go with God, brother!

 

[CarnalReligion]

Hey Carnal,

Mostly read the Bible, beginning in the New Testament, most people suggest John is a good beginning place. Don't try to read and understand alot each day, just some each day. Pray everyday, tell God everything on your mind, and ask for His help. Ever gone to Church? There are so many different kinds, there is definately one for you too. Get to know some Christians, most are nice. Just keep an open mind and allow God teach you through His word and ask for help if you don't understand something. Trying to keep it short.

Actually, I have read a bunch of the bible already, Ive read Genesis,Matthew,Mark and Revelation. Alot of the time I read certain Chapter/Verses. And I have also been to church.

I used to be 100% Christian until I came to around the age of 10. I used to pray before dinner and before bed. My father was strictly christian[ when i say was I mean he is no longer alive], and my mother is more spiritual.

But I came to a turning point when I questioned all life,religion. And started to read philosophy ect.

 

[CarnalReligion]

I also think that if I come to a point in which I believe in Jesus again. I will be closer to him than ever before, but I have to find him. If its possible .

 

[Daughter of His]

I think you are right !

 

[CarnalReligion]

There are so many unanswered questions and things in God/Jesus tho its hard to believe.

 

[Daughter of His]

The church I was raised in was so strict, I could hardly wait to quit going. And that is what I did. However, I knew that there was a God and whenever I'd get sick or needy in some way I'd find myself groveling instead of praying , (pathetic isn't it?) anyway, looking back this tells me I knew God existed even though I ignored Him until I needed Him.

 

[Daughter of His]

Just saw your last post. Yep, lots of mysteries concerning God. He tells us that in Revelations too. There are seven peals of thunder that John is commanded to not record, some or many of the things of God simply are not our business. Hey I like to know too--curious, and I think we will, but not now.

 

[CarnalReligion]

So if all this stuff about Jesus/God being true.

What happens to the satanism I was talking about. I mean it DOES make sense.

 

[Daughter of His]

Which parts? I'll have to go check out that thread again.

 

[CarnalReligion]

I think people should buy a copy of the satanic bible whether they believe in god or not. They should have the basic knowledge of kinds of satanism. And if you are the kind of person who doesnt want there home or mind to be corrupted with it. Then I dont know what to say, just that it should be read.