Convince Me

[Daughter of His]

You are obviously very intelligent, so I'd ask you to remember what you have heard here and while you are searching for answers maybe something will ring true for you, suddenly make sense. Anyway, you know where to referance anything we have spoken about here, the Bible. I do think that if you have a logical/scientific type of mind, God is more difficult to understand initially. Press on, but you can only serve one master, not two.

 

[CarnalReligion]

I want people to answer me this question.

Without saying the bible.
How do you know Jesus Christ lived and did such miracles?

 

[CarnalReligion]

Here is another theory.

Matter cannot be destroyed nor created. Matter is the vibration of particles/atoms. Your mind needs energy to run. So when you die, you simply do not become extinct, the energy has to go somewhere. So maybe it wonders around, but I dont believe there is a heaven.

 

[Daughter of His]

Without referencing the Bible, I could not say.

But without a doubt I believe that Jesus lived, was crusified, was buried and rose to live again after three days and does miracles yet today.

 

[CarnalReligion]

So your religion relies on the sayings in the bible?

 

[Daughter of His]

" Matter is the vibration of particles/atoms"

Now why do you believe there are atoms? Can you see them? Have YOU seen them?

 

[Daughter of His]

Religion, as I know it, is based on the Bible which is God inspired words, recorded by man. It is but one way God speaks to us.

 

[CarnalReligion]

How do you know the bible was inspired by a real god and is true writing? Did YOU see this god and did YOU know the person who wrote it?

I think people need a big more clarification on stuff before they dedicate there life to it.

 

[Daughter of His]

I did not know any of the people God chose to work through. But there is a passage that says all scripture is God breathed and usefu for.... This information coupled with the fact that God can reveal himself to you in mysterious ways makes it readily acceptable to me. Also if you follow his words He is faithful to His words-you can count on it. Things feel a bit more concrete that way.

 

[Daughter of His]

And... once you know that you know, it is a great comfort. God is here with us. God is true to His word.

 

[CarnalReligion]

This information coupled with the fact that God can reveal himself to you in mysterious ways makes it readily acceptable to me.

I bet you jumped to conclusion at the first thing you thought was a sign of jesus. I mean, if you saw a commercial for passion of the christ and the person selling it had the first name as you, you'd say this was a sign.

So what WAS your sign?

 

[Daughter of His]

I've had lots of signs, but I'll tell you one of the first.

I was attending a class at church, not because I wanted to, had a bad attitude to boot, but I went. Somehow I learned about God in the class even with my attitude problems. I had an asthma problems and for some reason large buildings and this church included gave me asthma problems. On the way to church I had said, "I was really going to suffer going three days in a row," for this retreat that finished the class up. I did not pray for a healing, or even think of it. At the end of class, they called people up front who would like prayer and I had no intention of going, always stayed in the back. However my ride went foward and therefore I was stuck and sitting in the back by myself feeling stupid and so decided to move foward to pray for these people too. The moment I went to the front row, it was like a switch had been turned on and I had a very strange warmth deep in my chest and I felt I was being touched by Jesus at that moment, for no reason but for Him to show me His mercy, to ldemonstrate His character to me. Years passed and I only needed asthma inhalers if I got a cold. Basically, from that moment on I was without the need of medicine. It was real, not my imaginatioon. That is one story, the truth.

 

[CarnalReligion]

Ok I can respect that.

So what would your suggestion for me be?

 

[CarnalReligion]

Instead of convincing me now.

I want to here what people would have me do to get the same belief as you.

Just curious.

 

[Daughter of His]

Mostly,don't close your mind to what seems illogical to you now.

You can pray and ask God to help you know He is here, to reveal Himself to you, and believe me, it will blow you away and come at the least expected time. God is not boring, I've heard it said knowing God makes your life as exciting as riding a comet. And yes, with the Christian walk come difficulties, the world is all around us. But like I said once you really know it is great confort to know He is preparing a place for His children, not just a place mansions, heard of the pearly gates? The gates of heaven will be made of giant single pearls, you can read about it Revelations. It's an awesome description of heaven.

 

[CarnalReligion]

So if I remain leaning towards satanism at the moment but pray to god and ask for a sign, will I still get one?

 

[Daughter of His]

Nope, don't think so. But, you never know with God, I certainly could not claim to know what he would do. You can pray, and tell Him you are earnestly searching for answers and ask for His help. Sometimes we have to wait... Sometimes waiting a period of time or waiting as a waitor at a table, in other words serving God. Sometimes we have to do nothing at all.

 

[Daughter of His]

But sometimes when you pray you can sense His prescence and it is overwhelming and beautiful and peaceful and wonderful, sometimes the air almost seems thick with His prescence.

 

[CarnalReligion]

Ok thanks for the suggestions, i have school in the morning so im going to bed.

Ill be on tomarrow.

Bye

 

[Daughter of His]

Bye