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Contradictions in the Bible?

Discussion in 'For New Christians' started by Abide with me., Feb 25, 2021.

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  1. atpollard

    atpollard Well-Known Member

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    Non sequitur.
    It is not my place to “cut” or “burn” ... I am merely instructed to “know” by looking at the fruit (which is a direct response to your claim that “I could not know”).

    You offer “forgiveness” as a passive-aggressive form of attack.
     
  2. zoidar

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    Jesus NEVER contradicts himself. You can be asured about that. If it looks like that it's a misunderstanding (probably because we haven't studied scripture deep enough) on our part.

    There is a difference when someone asks honestly for your forgiveness and when someone isn't interested in your forgiveness and keeps doing wrong to you. In the first case, we should never deny a person forgiveness who asks us. In the second case I don't think we have to forgive the person, though it's normally good for our own heart to forgive even those who aren't interested in our forgiveness. What if a person comes every Sunday to church just to ruin the sermon or to cause diversion. Then we should kick him out and treat him like someone that doesn't belong with us, a pagan or tax collector, until he is willing to change. At least that's my take on it.
     
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  3. SkyWriting

    SkyWriting The Librarian Supporter

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    People who Jesus spent much time with. Awesome!

    There is a specific rule about treating others:

    Matthew 7:12
    “So whatever you wish that others would do to you, do also to them, for this is the Law and the Prophets.

    Luke 6:31
    And as you wish that others would do to you, do so to them.

    Hebrews 10:24-25
    And let us consider how to stir up one another to love and good works, not neglecting to meet together, as is the habit of some, but encouraging one another, and all the more as you see the Day drawing near.

    Matthew 7:1-29
    “Judge not, that you be not judged. For with the judgment you pronounce you will be judged, and with the measure you use it will be measured to you. Why do you see the speck that is in your brother's eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye? Or how can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when there is the log in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother's eye. ...

    Philippians 2:3-8
    Do nothing from rivalry or conceit, but in humility count others more significant than yourselves. Let each of you look not only to his own interests, but also to the interests of others. Have this mind among yourselves, which is yours in Christ Jesus, who, though he was in the form of God, did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped, but made himself nothing, taking the form of a servant, being born in the likeness of men. ...

    Ephesians 4:29
    Let no corrupting talk come out of your mouths, but only such as is good for building up, as fits the occasion, that it may give grace to those who hear.

    Philippians 4:8
    Finally, brothers, whatever is true, whatever is honorable, whatever is just, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is commendable, if there is any excellence, if there is anything worthy of praise, think about these things.

    Galatians 5:14
    For the whole law is fulfilled in one word: “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.”

    1 Corinthians 13:1-13
    If I speak in the tongues of men and of angels, but have not love, I am a noisy gong or a clanging cymbal. And if I have prophetic powers, and understand all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have all faith, so as to remove mountains, but have not love, I am nothing. If I give away all I have, and if I deliver up my body to be burned, but have not love, I gain nothing. Love is patient and kind; love does not envy or boast; it is not arrogant or rude. It does not insist on its own way; it is not irritable or resentful; ...

    Romans 13:8-10
    Owe no one anything, except to love each other, for the one who loves another has fulfilled the law. For the commandments, “You shall not commit adultery, You shall not murder, You shall not steal, You shall not covet,” and any other commandment, are summed up in this word: “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.” Love does no wrong to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.


    Luke 6:27
    “But I say to you who hear, Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you,

    Matthew 22:39
    And a second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself.

    Matthew 7:1
    “Judge not, that you be not judged.

    Matthew 5:48
    You therefore must be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect.

    Matthew 5:39
    But I say to you, Do not resist the one who is evil. But if anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also.
     
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  4. SkyWriting

    SkyWriting The Librarian Supporter

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    Absolutely! Even if they are unrepentant.
    What Does the Bible Say About Forgiving Others?
     
  5. SkyWriting

    SkyWriting The Librarian Supporter

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    It's more of a cause-and-effect thing. If you are in a cell (cut off from the living)
    who is there to forgive you? Now there you are (in hell) and are never forgiven for eternity.
    It doesn't matter if you have killed someone or if you have thought poorly of your mother.
    In all eternity, any sin is the same. You remain unforgiven by your own hand. That is Hell and you have eternity to experience it.

    So scripture reminds us......best to practice forgiving others.....70 times seventy times. Because you will need that forgiveness yourself.
     
  6. SkyWriting

    SkyWriting The Librarian Supporter

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    We really don't give a hoot what the early church did or said or how it was run or how jews treated pagans or any of that society balcony. The Jews and the early churches were a Hot Mess.

    God gives us our own rules about treating others.
    What Does the Bible Say About Do To Others?
     
  7. atpollard

    atpollard Well-Known Member

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    Quoted for truth as a reminder of what GOD actually said (as quoted by setst777), since the comments in this topic seem to indicate that some have forgotten the actual scripture.
     
  8. Abide with me.

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    Wow, I never looked at it this way before, this is really helpful, I too did not rebuke my father when he broke my jaw as a teenager, because I was wary of his response, he died a few years ago unrepentant, I am now 61, and neither of us ever spoke of it, so in the sense you describe, I did not do God's will by not rebuking my father ( to his face ) and also did not give my father the opportunity to acknowledge or repent, and although I knew he would do neither as he blamed my mother for beating her also, I still need to ask God's forgiveness for not trying.
     
  9. Abide with me.

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  10. St_Worm2

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    Hello Abide with me, I'm very sorry to hear what you had to endure as a young girl :( My father was a horrible alcoholic and 'mentally' abusive to my mother, my sister and me, but he didn't cross the line into physical violence with any of us.

    You did ~nothing~ wrong (which would have been true even if you had been a Christian back then). Quite frankly, the jaw that your father broke was the only 'rebuke' that you needed to give him, as such a thing speaks louder and with more clarity to a person like your father than your words ever could have. So, your "rebuke" was given .. loud and clear .. and the ball was in his court to immediately repent and beg you to forgive him, but he did not (which is truly a shame for both of you).

    There are many situations, most perhaps, where we need to rebuke the person who caused us harm (if a person acts in an insensitive manner towards us, on social media perhaps, or if someone fails to do something that they promised to do for us, etc.) for the reasons I gave earlier in this thread. However, you did exactly what you needed to do in your case. Your "rebuke" was given, and you needed to protect yourself from further, physical harm. God's commandments are meant as blessings to us, and as such, are intended to be beneficial, not cause additional harm. But your father, in his failure to repent and ask you to forgive him, showed that he did not want the great blessing that God was offering to him.

    God bless you sister!

    --David
     
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  11. Der Alte

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    How did Jesus treat sinners and tax collectors? Matthew 9:9-10? How did Jesus treat a woman who was a notorious sinner? Luke 7:37-38
     
  12. St_Worm2

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    Hello again Abide with me, I thought I should point out to you that the passages that you are referring to (like the Lord's Prayer and the two qualifying verses that follow it .. e.g. Matthew 6:9-15) are concerned with the loss of ~full fellowship~ with the Lord (with the loss, as King David put it, of things like the "joy" of our salvation .. Psalm 51:10-12), NOT with the loss of salvation itself (nor are those verses and passages concerned with some sort of inability on the part of an unbeliever to be saved because he/she has failed to forgive others).

    God saves the wicked/ungodly, those who know that they are sick with sin and in need of the Savior, not those who suppose themselves righteous somehow (even partially) .. e.g. Mark 2:17; Romans 4:5.

    We are saved by God's "grace", yes? .. e.g. Ephesians 2:8-9, by His ~unmerited~ favor towards us, which means (in Bible-speak, I guess you could say) that we are saved by the things that Jesus did for us .. alone, not on the basis of anything that 'we' do/have done/will do. In fact, even the saving faith that we exercise when we believe is a "gift" to us from God .. Ephesians 2:8.

    Finally, our salvation is not an end in itself. Rather, God quickens us and saves us, then He makes us into wholly "new creatures" as "His workmanship/masterpiece", "created in Christ Jesus for/unto good works", ~not~ because of them (or because of any of the many other wondrous things that "accompany" our salvation .. like our desire to forgive others whenever they ask us to :) .. Hebrews 6:9) .. e.g. Ezekiel 36:26-27; John 3:3; Romans 5:8-10; 2 Corinthians 5:17; Ephesians 2:4-5, 8-9, 10.

    Blessings to you in Christ! (Numbers 6:24-26)

    --David

    Titus 3
    5 He saved us, ~not on the basis of deeds~ which we have done in righteousness, but according to His mercy.
     
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