Contraception???

[choirfiend]

Condom use depends on spermicides to be more effective. The purpose is to make war on sperm, and this mentality is anti-love.

In fact, St. John Chrysostom says that contraceptive use is a kind of homicide.

Condom use is only 90% effective or less because young people are impulsive and not that careful. In addition, third world countries located near the equator where the temperatures are higher tend to have less effective rates due to deterioration of the condoms. Furthermore, U.S. drug companies and jobbers tend to send their older unsold stock to these third world countries. These older condoms have a tendency to break during use. Obviously condoms with tears are not effective.

Let's face it -- condoms give false security and can contaminate the souls and bodies of those who use them especially if they have adopted the selfish contraceptive mentality.

p.s.
Bear in mind that some folks are allergic to latex or the plasticides used in manufacturing the non-latex brands.

I believe that those quotes from St. John are from a time when "contraception" was indeed homicide--certain herbal mixes utilized by prostitutes to basically cause a very early term abortion. The terms have changed meaning, and that should be acknowledged before claiming the quote.

I'm not giving any opinions on BC here--but let's have facts straight and statements from church figures (whether in books, quotes from priests, or anything else) accurate to allow people to have honest conversations with their spiritual fathers about their situations.

 

[MariaRegina]

I believe that those quotes from St. John are from a time when "contraception" was indeed homicide--certain herbal mixes utilized by prostitutes to basically cause a very early term abortion. The terms have changed meaning, and that should be acknowledged before claiming the quote.

I'm not giving any opinions on BC here--but let's have facts straight and statements from church figures (whether in books, quotes from priests, or anything else) accurate to allow people to have honest conversations with their spiritual fathers about their situations.

And I believe that St. John Chrysostom was referring to herbal mixes which were inserted into the womb before sex to cause sperm death. Of course, at that time, many believed that sperm were ovum, and that the woman was just the receptacle where it grew. They did not understand the idea of gametes uniting to form a new life.

 

[Michael G]

Even if the failure rates for pregnancy is like 14% or something, that's still better than no condom at all. Without a condom it's like, a 40-60% chance.

But I will put less stock into condoms in the future, thanks to this forum.
All I trust is, *snip* *snip* .

Having a vasectomy for the purposes of birth controll is not open to life so I have a hard time seeing how the Church would condone this.

 

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[Michael G]

I'm Orthodox, not Catholic. And yes, there really are people in this world who can't handle kids.

I never said you were Catholic. I am not sure where you get that from. I am questioning whether the Orthodox Church allows vasectomies.

 

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[choirfiend]

I dont think the Church is a big fan of mutilating one's body in any circumstances. That includes to prevent pregnancy.

And even then, it doesn't always work. I have a coworker who has a 14y/o, and then a SURPRISE! 5 year old after a failed snipping operation on her part.

 

[HandmaidenOfGod]

Say what you will, but it all goes back to: speak to your Spiritual Father, not an Internet forum about birth control.

 

[Michael G]

I dont think the Church is a big fan of mutilating one's body in any circumstances. That includes to prevent pregnancy.

And even then, it doesn't always work. I have a coworker who has a 14y/o, and then a SURPRISE! 5 year old after a failed snipping operation on her part.

Sorry Command, even though I sometimes disagree with her alot, I have to agree with Choirfiend. Mutilation of your body to avoid pregnancy does not seem like something the Orthodox Church would think highly of.

 

[JacksLadder]

I dont think the Church is a big fan of mutilating one's body in any circumstances. That includes to prevent pregnancy.

And even then, it doesn't always work. I have a coworker who has a 14y/o, and then a SURPRISE! 5 year old after a failed snipping operation on her part.

If I remember correctly if the doctor fails to move the tubes x-ditstance apart after sniping your body can heal the tubes together.

Of course my health insurance covers a free snip (it works out cheaper for them if I get sniped than if I have another kid) which I will eventually make use of.

 

[MariaRegina]

Say what you will, but it all goes back to: speak to your Spiritual Father, not an Internet forum about birth control.

True, but we must realize that Priests are not infallible, and that some priests are better spiritual fathers than others. Therefore, one must be careful when selecting a spiritual father. I know some priests who will not hear confessions or serve as a spiritual father as they recognize their own limitations and/or lack of a seminary education (they took correspondence courses). Even a seminary training may not be adequate if a seminary is not properly run. Other priests do not recognize their limitations, for example, for a year I had a spiritual father who was on psychoactive meds. I suffered greatly under him as he demanded strict obedience, was haughty, and was inconsistent in his advice. Finally, the parish counsel had a falling out with him, and he was placed in another parish.

Remember that in Greece under the Ottoman rule due to the lack of seminary training, "mass" priests could not hear confessions, give sermons, or offer spiritual advice. They could only celebrate the Divine Liturgy and Holy Services. The people went to the monasteries to confess their sins or depended on traveling hieromonks to confess them and give sermons.

 

[MariaRegina]

If I remember correctly if the doctor fails to move the tubes x-ditstance apart after sniping your body can heal the tubes together.

Of course my health insurance covers a free snip (it works out cheaper for them if I get sniped than if I have another kid) which I will eventually make use of.

There have been some reports that having a snip can cause autoimmune problems and/or other problems. Surgery is not without risks. Please reconsider and talk with a priest.

 

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[MariaRegina]

I'd rather go with the snip than the pill.

Even with the complications of surgery (not 100 percent accurate) and side effects like autoimmune disorders?

 

[Michael G]

I'd rather go with the snip than the pill.

Neither is an option. Both are opposed by the teaching of the Church. The pill is abortifacient. If you use it, you will likely be guilty of murder in your life time. And the Old Testament is pretty clear about bodily mutilation.

 

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[MariaRegina]

There are some risks to the snip, however, it looks to me like an open-ended snip has the least risk of complications.

Open-ended vasectomy, sperm granuloma, and postvasectomy orchialgia.


In response to the website, dontfixit.org, dontfixit.info

Trust in God and do good. There is no reason to take an abortifacient pill or be spayed/neutered like an animal. We are humans with an immortal soul.

 

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[MariaRegina]

Lots of people have to undergo surgery. If a woman has her ovaries removed due to ovarian cancer are you gonna condemn her?

logical fallacy

That is different because the motive is to save the life of the woman by removing the cancerous tissue/organ.
The same would apply to a man who has testicular cancer.

 

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