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Contraception is moral

Discussion in 'Ethics & Morality' started by metis2, Feb 28, 2021.

  1. Speedwell

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    with all due respect, I think you are underestimating their number and influence.
     
  2. VirOptimus

    VirOptimus A nihilist who cares.

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    Pretty much, and I have never seen any argument convincing me that thats not the truth.
     
  3. VirOptimus

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    I havent seen any such reasons.

    And it always ends up as women opression when abortion rights are hindered.
     
  4. Estrid

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    I am not anti woman. Not an argument, a fact.
     
  5. VirOptimus

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    So you say.
     
  6. Estrid

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    I don't do self loathing
     
  7. Clizby WampusCat

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    And they are stereotypes.
     
  8. Clizby WampusCat

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    There is a difference between having a goal of oppressing women and what you perceive as oppression because abortion is limited. I assume you believe that any abortion restriction oppresses women. I believe unrestricted abortion oppresses the unborn.
     
  9. VirOptimus

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    You can belive whatever you want, doesnt make it worth considering.

    Dont like abortions, dont have one. But dont force women to live by your rules.
     
  10. Estrid

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    "Kills".
     
  11. Clizby WampusCat

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    If they have all this influence why are abortion restrictions being overturned by the courts in conservative states such as Louisiana and Texas? I acknowledge they are out there, but they have not had enough influence to come close to abolishing abortion in this country for the last 50years. But maybe you are right.
     
  12. Speedwell

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    They are being overturned by the courts because they are unconstitutional, not because only a few people support them.
     
  13. Clizby WampusCat

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    Where have I said I would force women to live by my rules? I am for doing whatever we can to reduce abortions but I am not convinced making it illegal is the best way to do that.
     
  14. Speedwell

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    Not always. It is against the law to destroy a viable fetus, which means that abortion from at least late in the second trimester does not kill.
     
  15. Clizby WampusCat

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    I agree. So why are you concerned they will get their way?
     
  16. VirOptimus

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    No, you are arguing for restricting womens rights.
     
  17. Clizby WampusCat

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    And you are talking about restricting the rights of the unborn. You don't have any idea of what my thoughts are about the issue. You are assuming many things.
     
  18. Speedwell

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    I'm not concerned that they will get their way. I'm concerned that they taint opposition to abortion with religious bigotry. Look at the pushback you are experiencing in this very thread as a non-religious opponent to abortion.
     
  19. VirOptimus

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    I can only argue what you post and my points stand.
     
  20. Clizby WampusCat

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    This is a good point.
     
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