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[Douggg]

What about a pretty map showing ALL of the Holy Land, - ALL of that area that God Promised to Abrahams descendants.

Ezekiel 37 is about the reuniting of the north and southern kingdoms.

Separately, if you have in mind some concept that you are calling the Holy Land, then you provide a map of what you are talking about. Do a google search and copy and paste whatever map you are talking about.

 

[keras]

Galatians 3:26-29 is not about inheriting land, but the principle of faith in God

But Genesis 15:18, IS about the Holy Land. The inheritance of the children of Abraham by faith. Ethnicity has nothing to do with it.

Your failure to read and apply ALL of the Prophetic Word, shows how people can make scripture suit their false beliefs.
It is the unbelievable and incredible idea of people being taken to live in heaven, that leads people astray from knowing how God will bless His peoples as they live in peace and prosperity in all of the Holy Land.

 

[Douggg]

But Genesis 15:18, IS about the Holy Land. The inheritance of the children of Abraham by faith. Ethnicity has nothing to do with it.

keras, Abraham was deemed righteous by faith of believing God. That is what Galatians 3 is about. Not about inheritance of land.

The seed of Abraham in Genesis 15:18 is referring to Abraham's descendants. Abraham's descendants includes those through Hagar. Hagar is considered the mother of the Arab people. The Arab people have inherited a major portion of the land from Egypt to the Euphrates river.

I would not call that "the Holy Land" - something that you came up with. Also, read the Genesis 15:18-21, to understand what verse 18 is talking about.

 

[keras]

Ezekiel 37 is about the reuniting of the north and southern kingdoms.

Which has not happened yet.

The area of land Promised to Abrahams descendants:
To be occupied by the Christian peoples soon after it is cleared and cleansed by the Lord. Ezekiel 34:11-16, Revelation 7:9


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[keras]

Abraham's descendants includes those through Hagar. Hagar is considered the mother of the Arab people.

God will not bless those who hate Him and reject Jesus.
Their fate is well Prophesied: Zephaniah 1:14-18, ++

 

[Douggg]

Which has not happened yet.

I provided maps of the northern and southern kingdoms and of modern day Israel in my post #38. It can be seen that modern day Israel occupies the same territories of the northern and southern kingdoms.

 

[Douggg]

The area of land Promised to Abrahams descendants:
To be occupied by the Christian peoples soon after it is cleared and cleansed by the Lord. Ezekiel 34:11-16, Revelation 7:9

keras, Ezekiel 34:11-16 is talking about the land of Israel. And what does Revelation 7:9 have to do with it ?

Revelation 7:9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;

 

[keras]

Ezekiel 34:11-16 is talking about the land of Israel.

Please; do not make definitive statements unsupported by scripture. Your opinions are worthless.
That Prophecy tells how the Lord will help His faithful people to gather and settle into the heritage of the Christian peoples. His 'sheep - can only be Christians. John 10:10-16
Proof that they are there is in Daniel 7:25 and Revelation 13:7, because the Anti-Chris 'beast' will invade and conquer them.

what does Revelation 7:9 have to do with it ?

Rev 7:1-14 takes place on earth, verses 1-3 sets the location.
Verse 9 describes the citizens of Beulah, Isaiah 62:1-5, gathered into the Holy Land, as Jesus is revealed to them. Rev 14:1, 2 Thess 1:10

I provided maps of the northern and southern kingdoms and of modern day Israel in my post #38. It can be seen that modern day Israel occupies the same territories of the northern and southern kingdoms.

This is so plainly wrong, it laughable.
Was what God Promised to Abraham, just to fool him?

 

[Douggg]

Please; do not make definitive statements unsupported by scripture.

Ezekiel 34:

11 For thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I, even I, will both search my sheep, and seek them out.

12 As a shepherd seeketh out his flock in the day that he is among his sheep that are scattered; so will I seek out my sheep, and will deliver them out of all places where they have been scattered in the cloudy and dark day.

13 And I will bring them out from the people, and gather them from the countries, and will bring them to their own land, and feed them upon the mountains of Israel by the rivers, and in all the inhabited places of the country.

14 I will feed them in a good pasture, and upon the high mountains of Israel shall their fold be: there shall they lie in a good fold, and in a fat pasture shall they feed upon the mountains of Israel.

15 I will feed my flock, and I will cause them to lie down, saith the Lord GOD.

16 I will seek that which was lost, and bring again that which was driven away, and will bind up that which was broken, and will strengthen that which was sick: but I will destroy the fat and the strong; I will feed them with judgment.

This is so plainly wrong, it laughable.
Was what God Promised to Abraham, just to fool him?

Ezekiel 37:17-22 is about the reuniting of the northern and southern kingdoms back into one nation. The maps I provided in my post #38 proves that has happened.

 

[keras]

Ezekiel 37:17-22 is about the reuniting of the northern and southern kingdoms back into one nation. The maps I provided in my post #38 proves that has happened.

Ezekiel 37:23-38 prove that the rejoining of Judah; the Jews and Israel; the Christian peoples, has not yet happened. Jeremiah 50:4-5

Your maps simply show the situation at the time they were drawn, Maybe the Jewish State will annex the West Bank and redraw the map once again.
In Ezekiel 34, Israel is used to refer to the Holy Land. NOT to the Peoples who will occupy it.

 

[Douggg]

Ezekiel 37:23-38 prove that the rejoining of Judah; the Jews and Israel; the Christian peoples, has not yet happened.

Not all of Ezekiel 37 has been fulfilled yet.

But the reuniting of the northern and southern kingdoms back into one nation again has been fulfilled.

 

[Douggg]

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keras, the link you provided does not give reading material that has the map in it.

 

[keras]

But the reuniting of the northern and southern kingdoms back into one nation again has been fulfilled.

There are many reasons that you are wrong about the rejoining of Israel and Judah. One of the main ones is how the Israelites of God are as many as the sands of the sea, whereas the Jewish State has a known population - quote Wikipedia;
As of early 2026, Israel's population is approximately 10.15 to 10.18 million inhabitants. The population, which passed the 10 million mark around January 2025, consists of about 76–78% Jews and other groups, and 21% Arabs, with a high population density of over 460 people per \(km^{2}\).

Tell us; does Gods Christian peoples only consist of 1 or 2 % of Israel?

keras, the link you provided does not give reading material that has the map in it.

I didn't intend to put any link. That map is perfectly clear- All that Land is the Holy Land and God Promised it to the Christian peoples from every tribe, race, nation and language. Isaiah 66:18b-21
WE will live there, NOT in heaven; Romans 9:24-26 proves it.

I am well aware that you and many who believe false theories are locked into them, unable to see the truths of the Prophetic Word.
Only after the Lord has changed the world at the forthcoming Sixth Seal, will all finally understand Gods Plans. Isaiah 35:4-5

 

[Douggg]

. One of the main ones is how the Israelites of God are as many as the sands of the sea

What bible verse ?

 

[Douggg]

I didn't intend to put any link. That map is perfectly clear- All that Land is the Holy Land and God Promised it to the Christian peoples from every tribe, race, nation and language. Isaiah 66:18b-21
WE will live there, NOT in heaven; Romans 9:24-26 proves it.

Who created the map and made up the label on it "the promised land" ?

 

[keras]

What bible verse ?

Genesis 22:17, 2 Samuel 17:11, Isaiah 10:22, Hosea 1:10, Hebrews 11:12
The House of Israel, the ten Northern tribes, was always more numerous that Judah's two tribes.
Now, as the Christian peoples - they are still scattered among the nations. Soon to be gathered and Blessed by the Lord in their own Land.

Who created the map and made up the label on it "the promised land" ?

Basically God did. He showed it to Abraham and Promised it to his descendants by faith.
Abrahams Arab descendants have received their Blessings - of oil wealth.

Get this reality; the Jews are not Gods chosen, they rejected Jesus and still do. Only a remnant of them will be saved.
No one is going to be raptured to heaven, such an idea is beyond fantasy - Jesus said it was impossible ; John 3:13

 

[Douggg]

No one is going to be raptured to heaven, such an idea is beyond fantasy - Jesus said it was impossible ; John 3:13

1Thessalonians4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

When the great tribulation is taking placing here on earth, where will Jesus be ?

Jesus will be in heaven with the resurrected/raptured saints. When Jesus returns, He will bring his saints with Him as the bride of Christ.

Zechariah 14, Jesus's return to the mount of Olives.

Zechariah 14:And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah: and the LORD my God shall come, and all the saints with thee.

 

[Douggg]

Basically God did. He showed it to Abraham and Promised it to his descendants by faith.
Abrahams Arab descendants have received their Blessings - of oil wealth.

No, keras, some human made up the map and put a label on it. Try to go through the process again you did to find the map. And find the site that had the map. Then come back and post the link.

 

[Douggg]

Basically God did. He showed it to Abraham and Promised it to his descendants by faith.
Abrahams Arab descendants have received their Blessings - of oil wealth.

So you are going to have all Christians in the world living in that area on the map for the thousand years after Jesus returns?

And before Gog/Magog of Ezekiel 38-39, you claim a solar event in the middle east that depopulates the current population, and in aftermath, Christians migrate to the land of Israel and build a new nation called Beulah.

And that Christians rebuild the temple and start up animal sacrifices again.

And that when the animal sacrifices are stopped and the abomination of desolation is set up on the temple mount, that Christians living in Judaea get on airplanes and flee to other parts of the world that are safe.

And that when Jesus returns, in Matthew 24:31, He sends out angels to bring those Christians back to the nation of Beulah.

??????

 

[keras]

So you are going to have all Christians in the world living in that area on the map for the thousand years after Jesus returns?

And before Gog/Magog of Ezekiel 38-39, you claim a solar event in the middle east that depopulates the current population, and in aftermath, Christians migrate to the land of Israel and build a new nation called Beulah.

And that Christians rebuild the temple and start up animal sacrifices again.

And that when the animal sacrifices are stopped and the abomination of desolation is set up on the temple mount, that Christians living in Judaea get on airplanes and flee to other parts of the world that are safe.

And that when Jesus returns, in Matthew 24:31, He sends out angels to bring those Christians back to the nation of Beulah.

??????

Correct. And proven correct by many scriptures.
Why you can't understand these truths, is told to us in Isaiah 29:9-12 Because people choose to believe falsehoods, they get locked into them.
The only way for you an all who grip onto false theories, is to clear your mind of theories and unscriptural ideas and believe only what the Prophets actually did write.
If you can't do that, then just remember to stand firm in your faith as you pass through whatever happens.