Considerations

[Douggg]

Hi everyone,

As all of us here study the end times and come up with our views, I think we go through a mental process of "considerations". I made this chart thinking of what those considerations entail.

If you want to express your thought(s) to any of the categories, identify the category and what you think would go under that category.

 

[Douggg]

Triggering consideration

the Antichrist confirms the Mt Sinai covenant to begin the seven years.

the Antichrist commits the transgression of desolation act, end the false messianic age of peace and safety being said.

the statue image of the beast-king is placed on the temple mount which begins the great tribulation.

 

[Douggg]

Time span consideration

the 15 time of the end, time frames given in the bible

the 7 years of Daniel 9:27

the 7 years of Ezekiel 39:9

 

[Douggg]

Evil personnel consideration

Satan and his angels

the little horn/prince that shall come/Antichrist/revealed man of sin/beast-king person

the false prophet

the ten kings aligned with beast-king person

the armies leadership, down through the ranks

the four angels bound in the Euphrates.

 

[Douggg]

Numerical consideration

the seven trumpet judgements

the seven vial judgements

the two witnesses

the 200,000,000 man army

 

[keras]

Time span consideration

the 15 time of the end, time frames given in the bible

the 7 years of Daniel 9:27

the 7 years of Ezekiel 39:9

Those 7 year periods are not concurrent.
The clean up of Gog's weapons and debris. will just take 7 years, then its all done.
The 7 years in Daniel 9, have an exact start point, told to us in 2 Thess 2:4 and an exact finish event; - the glorious Return of King Jesus.

On the subject of how long this Christian age will be, my belief is there should be an exact 2000 years. From the time Jesus was acclaimed King, as He rode a donkey into Jerusalem, to the Day of His Return, as King of Kings and Lord of Lords.
But the 2000 years will be completed by 2030, or 2033, whichever people like to think. I believe 2030.

However, that leaves not enough time for all the Prophesied things from Revelation 6:12 to Rev 19:10, to take place.
My belief - now that we are in 2026, is that the Christian age, and the world as it is now; will end at the Sixth Seal worldwide disaster and dramatic changes. Or, more likely; when Satan takes world control; Revelation 13:1-17

Therefore, the time from the Sixth Seal to the Return, has to be not less than 10+ years. Actually, we know from the Seventh Seal, that it will be 'about 20 years'. As the silence in heaven, while Satan has his time of power, lasts for a half hour. That is: 1/48th of a day for God and 1/48th of a thousand years for us on earth.
That time period maybe, will not be counted as part of this Christian age,

 

[Douggg]

Those 7 year periods are not concurrent.
The clean up of Gog's weapons and debris. will just take 7 years, then its all done.
The 7 years in Daniel 9, have an exact start point, told to us in 2 Thess 2:4 and an exact finish event; - the glorious Return of King Jesus.

On the subject of how long this Christian age will be, my belief is there should be an exact 2000 years. From the time Jesus was acclaimed King, as He rode a donkey into Jerusalem, to the Day of His Return, as King of Kings and Lord of Lords.
But the 2000 years will be completed by 2030, or 2033, whichever people like to think. I believe 2030.

However, that leaves not enough time for all the Prophesied things from Revelation 6:12 to Rev 19:10, to take place.

My belief - now that we are in 2026, is that the Christian age, and the world as it is now; will end at the Sixth Seal worldwide disaster and dramatic changes. Or, more likely; when Satan takes world control; Revelation 13:1-17

Therefore, the time from the Sixth Seal to the Return, has to be not less than 10+ years. Actually, we know from the Seventh Seal, that it will be 'about 20 years'. As the silence in heaven, while Satan has his time of power, lasts for a half hour. That is: 1/48th of a day for God and 1/48th of a thousand years for us on earth.
That time period maybe, will not be counted as part of this Christian age,

keras, give your perspective on whatever consideration (of the listed considerations) you choose to.

You don't have to respond to whatever my perspective is, unless you want to. I just want to give everyone here an opportunity to say that they think.

 

[Douggg]

Time span consideration

the 15 time of the end, time frames given in the bible

the 7 years of Daniel 9:27

the 7 years of Ezekiel 39:9

 

[keras]

On the subject of how long this Christian age will be, my belief is there should be an exact 2000 years. From the time Jesus was acclaimed King, as He rode a donkey into Jerusalem, to the Day of His Return, as King of Kings and Lord of Lords.
But the 2000 years will be completed by 2030, or 2033, whichever people like to think. I believe 2030.

However, that leaves not enough time for all the Prophesied things from Revelation 6:12 to Rev 19:10, to take place.
My belief - now that we are in 2026, is that the Christian age, and the world as it is now; will end at the Sixth Seal worldwide disaster and dramatic changes. Or, more likely; when Satan takes world control; Revelation 13:1-17

Therefore, the time from the Sixth Seal to the Return, has to be not less than 10+ years. Actually, we know from the Seventh Seal, that it will be 'about 20 years'. As the silence in heaven, while Satan has his time of power, lasts for a half hour. That is: 1/48th of a day for God and 1/48th of a thousand years for us on earth.
That time period maybe, will not be counted as part of this Christian age,

This is my considered opinion. I am aware that it doesn't suit your end times scenario, however, it is viable and scriptural.
Your shifting of the Jewish control of the Holy Land to 1967, demonstrates your willingness to make the Prophesies fit your theories.

I am convinced that the Christian era ends after the Sixth and Seventh Seals are opened and God keeps the heavenly powers silent until Jesus Returns.

 

[keras]

I am convinced that the Christian era ends after the Sixth and Seventh Seals are opened and God keeps the heavenly powers silent until Jesus Returns.

Logical, sensible and it fits with how Satan will be able to gain world control and he knows his time is short. Revelation 12:12

Douggg, you wanted comments, how about responding?

 

[Douggg]

Logical, sensible and it fits with how Satan will be able to gain world control and he knows his time is short. Revelation 12:12

Douggg, you wanted comments, how about responding?

keras, here is what I wrote in my opening post....

"If you want to express your thought(s) to any of the categories, identify the category and what you think would go under that category."

I am giving everyone an opportunity to express their thoughts regarding the listed categories. You expressed your thoughts in post #9, #10.

I did not say I was going to respond to everyone's thoughts. But if you want me to respond to your post #9, #10 - I would say make time-line charts to clarify what you wrote and present your charts.

Satan's short time left in Revelation 12:12 will be a time, times, half time of Revelation 12:14 - during which he will incarnate the AoD statue image of the beast king.

 

[keras]

Satan's short time left in Revelation 12:12 will be a time, times, half time of Revelation 12:14 - during which he will incarnate the AoD statue image of the beast king.

Yes, but it must be that he is in power before then.
It is illogical and unscriptural to have the 2W's preaching in Jerusalem before the second half of the final 7 years.

What is noticeable, is the drying up of comments and discussions on the Prophecy Forums. A sign of the approaching world changes?

 

[Douggg]

Yes, but it must be that he is in power before then.
It is illogical and unscriptural to have the 2W's preaching in Jerusalem before the second half of the final 7 years.

What is noticeable, is the drying up of comments and discussions on the Prophecy Forums. A sign of the approaching world changes?

keras, I would not say that Satan is in power, but has influence over the nations to do things that rebel against God.

The drying up of comments and discussions on the Prophecy Forums could be a indicator of approaching world changes.

 

[Douggg]

It is illogical and unscriptural to have the 2W's preaching in Jerusalem before the second half of the final 7 years.

keras, the two witnesses testify for 1260 days. In Revelation 12:6, the 1260 days is before the time, times, half time that Satan will have left.

So the 1260 days of two witnesses are the first half of the 7 years.

kears, it is just a matter of grouping the like time-frames together.

 

[keras]

I would not say that Satan is in power, but has influence over the nations to do things that rebel against God.

It will be the leader of the One World Govt, who will be in control of all the world, except the Holy Land; by that time called Beulah, Isaiah 62:1-5
He will be killed by an assassin, Revelation 13:3-4; but Satan will revive him and confer his authority on him.

So the 1260 days of two witnesses are the first half of the 7 years.

This is wrong and is proved wrong by Revelation 11:15, as the Seventh Trumpet of the Great Tribulation takes place when the 2W's are killed.
Your end times time frame is hopelessly in error.

The drying up of comments and discussions on the Prophecy Forums could be a indicator of approaching world changes.

What is; of course;- the greatest indicator of imminent and dramatic changes, is the fragile situation in the Middle East.
We know from Bible prophecy, that Iran will attempt to wipe out Israel. Over 100 Prophesies vividly describe the Lords response to this.

 

[Douggg]

What is; of course;- the greatest indicator of imminent and dramatic changes, is the fragile situation in the Middle East.
We know from Bible prophecy, that Iran will attempt to wipe out Israel. Over 100 Prophesies vividly describe the Lords response to this.

Iran is Persia in Ezekiel 38:5 as part of the coalition of nations that will attack Israel in the Gog/Magog event.

When it takes place, it will prove your Solar Event wiping out the middle east and the current population of Israel, followed by a replacement nation of Christians - incorrect. And your view that Christians will then build the next temple and restart the animal sacrifices that the Antichrist will stop - incorrect.

 

[keras]

Iran is Persia in Ezekiel 38:5 as part of the coalition of nations that will attack Israel in the Gog/Magog event.

Jeremiah 49:36 says the exiles from Elam - Persia, will be scattered among the nations. Obviously, they will be no longer in their own country then, so many will join with Gog/Magog.

When it takes place, it will prove your Solar Event wiping out the middle east and the current population of Israel, followed by a replacement nation of Christians - incorrect. And your view that Christians will then build the next temple and restart the animal sacrifices that the Antichrist will stop - incorrect.

In your paradigm; Isaiah 30:26 & Zephaniah 1:16, are incorrect.
Isaiah 62:1-5 is incorrect too.
Also Zechariah 6:15, the verse I received at my baptism, - cannot happen in your wrong belief.
As for sacrifice's and offerings, what is it that the Anti-Christ stops? Daniel 9:27 & 11:31 The Jews have had 70+ years to build a new Temple, they have lost their opportunity and now face punishment. Isaiah 3:1-26

 

[Douggg]

As for sacrifice's and offerings, what is it that the Anti-Christ stops? Daniel 9:27 & 11:31 The Jews have had 70+ years to build a new Temple, they have lost their opportunity and now face punishment. Isaiah 3:1-26

keras, the Jews regained control of Jerusalem (where the temple is to be built) in 1967. 2026-1967 = 59 years so far.

So if we subtract 7 years from 2037 to get 2030. The Gog/Magog event should happen before the end of 2030.

The Gog/Magog event will end the Muslim control of the temple mount - which is preventing the Jews from building the temple

 

[keras]

The Gog/Magog event will end the Muslim control of the temple mount - which is preventing the Jews from building the temple

You go to Jewish websites, you should know that they handed the Temple platform to the Muslims because they wanted to absolve themselves of responsibility for it. Also the Haredi Jews dare not tread there in fear on standing where the Holy of Holies was.
I place no Prophetic significance to 1967.

You fail to properly address the points I make. Daniel 9:27 & 11:31, make it crystal clear- there has to be a new Temple.

 

[Douggg]

I place no Prophetic significance to 1967.

So what is your explanation of the parable of the fig tree generation that will witness Jesus's return ?