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[keras]

So what is your explanation of the parable of the fig tree generation that will witness Jesus's return ?

The fig tree is representative of the Jewish people. Jesus' Prophecy; Matthew 24:32, was fulfilled in 1948.
All of the people living since 1948 [and before] are the generation that can see it all. But only a remnant of the House of Judah, will survive, to join with their Christian brethren to see the glorious Return.

 

[Douggg]

The fig tree is representative of the Jewish people. Jesus' Prophecy; Matthew 24:32, was fulfilled in 1948.
All of the people living since 1948 [and before] are the generation that can see it all. But only a remnant of the House of Judah, will survive, to join with their Christian brethren to see the glorious Return.

1948 + 70 years for a generation (Psalms 90:10) = 2018. Since Jesus has not returned yet, using 1948 as a base year is not valid.

 

[keras]

1948 + 70 years for a generation (Psalms 90:10) = 2018. Since Jesus has not returned yet, using 1948 as a base year is not valid.

The life span of individuals does not apply to Jesus' Prophecy of Matthew 24:31
It will be those who are alive at that time, who will be able to see it all. People continue to be born and to die, but the possibility exists for anyone alive now to live until and past the glorious Day Jesus Returns.
Much must happen before that Day and the return of Jewish Israel has commenced it.

 

[Douggg]

The life span of individuals does not apply to Jesus' Prophecy of Matthew 24:31
It will be those who are alive at that time, who will be able to see it all. People continue to be born and to die, but the possibility exists for anyone alive now to live until and past the glorious Day Jesus Returns.
Much must happen before that Day and the return of Jewish Israel has commenced it.

keras, the parable of the fig tree generation has meaning to it.

First, what does the fig tree represent.
Second, how long is a generation.

You saying that people will live to witness Jesus's return is obvious, and disregards the application of the parable of the fig tree generation.

 

[Spiritual Jew]

keras, the parable of the fig tree generation has meaning to it.

First, what does the fig tree represent.

In Matthew 24:32 the fig tree represents a fig tree. Just because a fig tree represents Israel in another verse does not mean a fig tree always represents Israel in scripture. That's not the case. They are several instances in scripture where a fig tree does not represent anything but a fig tree.

In Matthew 24:32-33 Jesus was giving an analogy to represent how soon His second coming would be. He compared the nearness of His return to how near summer is when the leaves on a fig tree start to come out. There's no reason to read any more into what He said than that.

We can see from this parallel passage that Jesus was not just focusing on a fig tree, but all of the trees, showing that what He was saying was true in regards to all trees and not just fig trees, which means He was not speaking figuratively there.

Luke 21:29 Then He spoke to them a parable: “Look at the fig tree, and all the trees. 30 When they are already budding, you see and know for yourselves that summer is now near. 31 So you also, when you see these things happening, know that the kingdom of God is near. 32 Assuredly, I say to you, this generation will by no means pass away till all things take place.

 

[keras]

First, what does the fig tree represent.
Second, how long is a generation.

Specifically, the Fig tree represents the House of Judah. Jesus cursed them in Matthew 21:19 and later they cursed themselves. Matthew 27:25
Jesus told the Jews that the Kingdom was taken from them and given the peoples who bear the fruit of the Spirit. Matthew 21:43
There is many Prophesies that tell of the virtual demise of the House of Judah and only a remnant will survive.

Can you not get it that Jesus is not talking about how long people live, but just those who are alive, or born after; when the 'fig tree' buds. Matthew 24:32
Note: that that 'fig tree' - the current citizens of the Jewish State of Israel, never produces 'fruit'.

but all of the trees, showing that what He was saying was true in regards to all trees and not just fig trees, which means He was not speaking figuratively there.

I wondered if you were being punny with - 'fig'uratively?
However, 'the rest of the trees', the worlds nations have [mostly] progressed into modern civilization. Fulfilled.

 

[Douggg]

In Matthew 24:32-33 Jesus was giving an analogy to represent how soon His second coming would be. He compared the nearness of His return to how near summer is when the leaves on a fig tree start to come out. There's no reason to read any more into what He said than that.

No, Jesus gave the parable of the fig tree generation to know what generation would witness His return.

 

[Douggg]

Specifically, the Fig tree represents the House of Judah. Jesus cursed them in Matthew 21:19

No, not the house of Judah, but Jerusalem. Jesus was on His way back to the city of the Jerusalem, Matthew 21:18.

 

[keras]

not the house of Judah, but Jerusalem. Jesus was on His way back to the city of the Jerusalem,

So plainly, evidently wrong!
People are cursed for not producing the fruit of the Spirit, not places.

You seem incapable of understanding that the life span of individuals has no bearing on who will be alive when the sign of the fig tree budding, takes place. As it did in May 1948.
I was born before that date, but could quite well live for another 10-15 years, so I hope and pray to see it all.

 

[Douggg]

So plainly, evidently wrong!
People are cursed for not producing the fruit of the Spirit, not places.

keras, Jerusalem was a city full of people that would reject Jesus.

You seem incapable of understanding that the life span of individuals has no bearing on who will be alive when the sign of the fig tree budding, takes place. As it did in May 1948.

keras, you are claiming the fig tree represents Israel. I am saying that at one time I thought so as well.

But back in 2011, since the 7 years had not begun, I determined that understanding of the fig tree representing Israel - as incorrect. 1948+70 = 2018. 2018-7 = 2011.

The fig tree represents Jerusalem. And began to bud when the Jews got control of Jerusalem again in 1967. So far, that understanding is still valid. Expect the Gog/Magog event sometime before the end of 2030. 1967+70 = 2037. 2037-7 = 2030.

Just adjust your understanding like I did back in 2011.

 

[keras]

keras, you are claiming the fig tree represents Israel.

Typical of your misrepresentations; I believe that the 'fig tree' is the House of Judah, the Jewish people.
It is your error to think the 2 Houses; Israel and Judah have rejoined, Many scriptures and the reality of the Jewish State, prove that wrong.

We Christians are the Israelites of God, His faithful peoples from every tribe, race, nation and language. Until people understand this, their beliefs about Gods plans, will not be correct.

Just adjust your understanding like I did back in 2011.

Have another go and this time make no assumptions; [the rapture] no contradictions of scripture; [separate Judah and Israel] and aim toward the outcome of God having His faithful peoples living in the Holy Land, before Jesus Returns and during the Millennium. Romans 9:24-26

Take careful note of Romans 9:26.... The Christian peoples - in the same place as the ancient Israelites were, Hosea 1:10-11, Christians called from among the Jews and gentiles alike; verse 24, will be called the children of the Living God.

 

[Douggg]

Typical of your misrepresentations; I believe that the 'fig tree' is the House of Judah, the Jewish people.
It is your error to think the 2 Houses; Israel and Judah have rejoined, Many scriptures and the reality of the Jewish State, prove that wrong.

keras, all a person has to do is google a map of the northern and southern kingdoms. It is easy to see that modern day Israel covers the territories of both kingdoms.

 

[keras]

keras, all a person has to do is google a map of the northern and southern kingdoms. It is easy to see that modern day Israel covers the territories of both kingdoms.

Sad really, how people just see what they want to, ignoring the truths of all the Prophesies.

What we Christians will inherit, as the Spiritual descendants of Abraham, is ALL of the Holy Land; from the Nile to the Euphrates. Genesis 15:18
Ancient Israel never covered all of that area, but the faithful Christian peoples will, or our Bibles are just fiction.

Douggg; tell us why modern day Israel does not control Gaza? Or Gilead and Ammon?

 

[Douggg]

Douggg; tell us why modern day Israel does not control Gaza? Or Gilead and Ammon?

Regarding the Gaza strip...

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Israel unilaterally withdrew from the Gaza Strip in 2005 to reduce the high security and financial costs of protecting 8,500 settlers among 1.4 million Palestinians. Prime Minister Ariel Sharon aimed to reduce conflict, improve security against militant attacks, and maintain a Jewish demographic majority in Israel.

Regarding Gilead...

Gilead is part of the nation of Jordan.

Regarding Ammon...

Ammon is part of the nation of Jordan

 

[keras]

Regarding the Gaza strip...

My point, that you missed as usual, was that the Jewish State of Israel does NOT control Gaza, Gilead or Amman. But they did in the time of David and Solomon.

There is plenty of Prophecy that proves the Christian peoples will occupy all of the Holy Land. Before Jesus Returns, then after - the whole earth for the Millennium. The few Jews who join with their Christian brethren, will be so ashamed, they will not speak, Ezekiel 16:63

 

[Douggg]

My point, that you missed as usual, was that the Jewish State of Israel does NOT control Gaza, Gilead or Amman. But they did in the time of David and Solomon.

keras, google a map of the northern and southern kingdoms (which began after Solomon). Modern day Israel covers the same territories.

 

[keras]

keras, google a map of the northern and southern kingdoms (which began after Solomon). Modern day Israel covers the same territories.

It doesn't, but anyway the Jewish State is nowhere near the Land Promised to Abrahams descendants.

 

[Douggg]

The northern and southern kingdom map on the left. Map of modern day Israel on the right.

 

[keras]

The northern and southern kingdom map on the left. Map of modern day Israel on the right.

What about a pretty map showing ALL of the Holy Land, - ALL of that area that God Promised to Abrahams descendants.
Who are the Christian peoples; Galatians 3:26-29

Face up to these truths before any further displays of error and scriptural ignorance.

 

[Douggg]

What about a pretty map showing ALL of the Holy Land, - ALL of that area that God Promised to Abrahams descendants.
Who are the Christian peoples; Galatians 3:26-29

Galatians 3:26-29 is not about inheriting land, but the principle of faith in God - the same principle in verse 6-7.

6 Even as Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.

7 Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham.

8 And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.

9 So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham.