Conservative groups alarmed to be found on ‘hate map’

[TLK Valentine]

Please stop equating traditional Christian beliefs with neo-nazism.

Please stop adding the politically correct "neo" in front of the nazis to make them sound less offensive.

BTW, which Christian beliefs did I equate with nazism?

 

[MoonlessNight]

Please stop adding the politically correct "neo" in front of the nazis to make them sound less offensive.

BTW, which Christian beliefs did I equate with nazism?

-I made a post claiming that SPLC and their supporters say that anyone with traditional Christian beliefs is a hate group.

-You then responded with a picture of the Unite the Right rally, which is largely viewed on this forum as being a neo-nazi (or "nazi" if you prefer) march, with the comment that hate groups have been emboldened to the point where they don't need to hide anymore.

I don't see how this can be taken as saying anything other than that groups with "traditional Christian beliefs" are the same as the protesters that you posted. Why else would you post that in direct response to my post?

 

[TLK Valentine]

-I made a post claiming that SPLC and their supporters say that anyone with traditional Christian beliefs is a hate group.

And unless you specify which "traditional Christian beliefs" those might be, your statement doesn't really say much.

-You then responded with a picture of the Unite the Right rally, which is largely viewed on this forum as being a neo-nazi (or "nazi" if you prefer) march, with the comment that hate groups have been emboldened to the point where they don't need to hide anymore.

Which was in response to your comment that "the masks are slipping off." I pointed out, and rightly so, that they no longer see the need for masks, so your comment was somewhat inaccurate.

It was you, and not I, who accused the SPLC of conflating "traditional Christian beliefs" with hate groups... again, there wasn't any meat on the bone to discuss there, so I instead focused my response to correcting the first part of your post. I made no comment whasoever about the latter part... until now.

I don't see how this can be taken as saying anything other than that groups with "traditional Christian beliefs" are the same as the protesters that you posted. Why else would you post that in direct response to my post?

Now that I've explained my reasoning, I hope you can see it now.

And my question remains unanswered: to which "traditional Christian beliefs" are you referring?

 

[MoonlessNight]

Which was in response to your comment that "the masks are slipping off." I pointed out, and rightly so, that they no longer see the need for masks, so your comment was somewhat inaccurate.

The masks I am referring to are those of the SPLC and their ilk. That should be clear from the second sentence of my post, but like you I'm happy to explain things when people misunderstand (even if the fault doesn't lie with my writing).

And my question remains unanswered: to which "traditional Christian beliefs" are you referring?

We are at very close to the point where any of them will cause you to be considered part of a hate group. At the moment the ones that are most likely to get you into trouble are those that deal with sexual morality, and those that deal with objective reality of truth.

 

[rjs330]

It's pretty obvious these days that if you oppose the push of the LGTBQ community you are considered a hater. You see these days hatred is equated with opposition. If I oppose your ideas then I am a hater. But it's interesting that it only goes one way. If you oppose any leftist ideals you are a hater. However the converse is not accepted. If you oppose Christian ideals you are not considered a hater, but enlightened. If you oppose the majority of Americans thoughts on the LGBTQ agenda you are not considered a hater but intelligent. You are not a hater if you support groups that call for the the death of police officers, but are understanding of the plight of those who do. But if you support the police you are a hater. If you support the actions of Antifa you are considered empathizing and enlightened. But if you oppose them you are a hater.

 

[TLK Valentine]

The masks I am referring to are those of the SPLC and their ilk. That should be clear from the second sentence of my post, but like you I'm happy to explain things when people misunderstand (even if the fault doesn't lie with my writing).

Ah -- I didn't realize that they're the only ones who wear (literal or metaphorical) masks.

To paraphrase our dear president, there are plenty of good (masked) people on both sides... and he would know.

We are at very close to the point where any of them will cause you to be considered part of a hate group. At the moment the ones that are most likely to get you into trouble are those that deal with sexual morality, and those that deal with objective reality of truth.

Well, the Westboro Baptist Church deals quite strongly in sexual morality, and yes, they're considered a hate group by the SPLC, but it hasn't seemed to slow them down one bit... so don't worry too much about it. As for "objective reality of truth," Well... you're going to have to be a little more specific on that one, I'm afraid.

I think the upshot of all this is that most people don't rely on the SPLC to tell them who is or isn't a "hate group" -- or any other label -- without looking into the matter for themselves... so what of it?

Take me, for example -- on these very boards, I've personally been labeled an ignorant heathen, spiritually dead, a child of the devil, AntiChristian, AntiAmerican, a terrorist sympathizer, a terrorist, an Islamic dhimmi, an enemy of Democracy, an enemy of America, and an enemy of God who had best fall to my knees now and repent before I die (hopefully soon) and have to give an accounting of myself to the Almighty...

... and that's just what I can remember off the top of my head!

Tell me:

am I any worse off for it?

 

[PeachyKeane]

So that justifies listing them besides the KKK and highlighting their locations a week after Charlottesville?

What's wrong with being beside the KKK? Apparently good people march beside the KKK.

 

[MoonlessNight]

I think the upshot of all this is that most people don't rely on the SPLC to tell them who is or isn't a "hate group" -- or any other label -- without looking into the matter for themselves... so what of it?

And I'm sure that most people read more than just the headline or the lede of a newspaper article.

 

[HereIStand]

Good analysis on the topic here.

 

[TLK Valentine]

And I'm sure that most people read more than just the headline or the lede of a newspaper article.

Right -- so what are you worried about?

 

[rjs330]

SPLC should have put themselves on that list.

 

[Rion]

Please stop adding the politically correct "neo" in front of the nazis to make them sound less offensive.

...pardon?

 

[GondwanaLand]

The same one CNN pulled from

They pulled from actual reality, where the group in question is indeed considered a hate group for various reasons.

when deciding to run the piece. As for the question, your avatar was changed to "Keep Calm and be Anti-Fascist" so I was unsure if you supported Antifa, and their type of violence, or not.

What does my avatar have to do with the FRC shooting? Be specific. The FRC shooter had nothing to do with the Antifa so again, I ask, what orifice did you pull that from?

 

[keith99]

Please stop adding the politically correct "neo" in front of the nazis to make them sound less offensive.

What? Neo is the accurate term. Nazis would be members of The Nationals Socialist Workers Party and by definition German and one would expect of Aryan decent. Most neo-Nazis have far less German blood than I do. Not that I would be acceptable to a historical Nazi. Far too much Irish in me.

Claiming this was a <not neo> Nazi march brings up the image of really old men most probably in wheelchairs with oxygen tanks, a threat soon to be extinct.

 

[Rion]

They pulled from actual reality, where the group in question is indeed considered a hate group for various reasons.


What does my avatar have to do with the FRC shooting? Be specific. The FRC shooter had nothing to do with the Antifa so again, I ask, what orifice did you pull that from?

I was being snarky and referencing Antifa's love of violence. Sorry if I didn't get that across clearly.

 

[Audacious]

It's pretty obvious these days that if you oppose the push of the LGTBQ community you are considered a hater.

If 90% of people were gay and 10% were Christians, and the gay people tried to stop Christians from doing things like wearing crosses in public or getting married, it would be called hatred. Wouldn't it?

 

[TerranceL]

This is a good update. Also, the Southern Poverty Law Center list the evangelical Family Research Council and Liberty Council as hate groups.

They also list muslim reformers are anti-islamic bigots.

 

[Yonny Costopoulis]

So that justifies listing them besides the KKK and highlighting their locations a week after Charlottesville?

If hate group where else you put but beside other hate group?

 

[GondwanaLand]

I was being snarky and referencing Antifa's love of violence. Sorry if I didn't get that across clearly.

Yes, snark tends to be hard to get across over the written format of discussions on the internet. Especially as I have Aspergers, which makes it tough for me to catch it even in real life.

I would not say the Antifa has a love of violence, just a hatred of fascism (especially Nazi fascism).

 

[Yonny Costopoulis]

I'm glad that the mask has slipped to the point where it's almost completely off.

If you support the traditional teachings of Christianity, you are part of a hate group, at least in the eyes of the SPLC and their supporters.

Can find many view in bible if look hard and some view are bad and some view are hate. Westboro Baptist example. Think Westboro Baptist call views "traditional teachings" also.

"Love our Neighbor" is "traditional teaching". Not think that put Christians on hate list..