Confessing Sin!

[lettuce]

We all love each other. It's just that some don't like criticism

Some? Try all. There are those in the grace camp and those in the law camp both fighting it out and then there are those in the grace and law camps riding both sides of the fence. Law is Old Covenant, Grace is New Covenant and all say "we are under Grace" so why is Law in the forefront? We were never ever under the Law, ever. All this talk of confessing sin for forgiveness is just spitting on the Finished Work of Jesus Christ.

 

[lettuce]

Dead to the dominion or rule of sin, not the desire to sin. Rom 6:14 for sin shall not have dominion over you, for you are not under the law but under grace. Walk in the Spirit and you shall not fulfill the desires of the flesh. 17 The flesh wars against the Spirit and the Spirit against the flesh Gal 5:16-17.

What is the context of being "in the flesh"? It's not about sinning. What is a Jew's understanding of being "in the flesh"? Being a physical descendant of Abraham. Being a Jew means nothing now and the Law does not save.

Galatians 5:17-18, For the flesh desires what is contrary to the Spirit, and the Spirit what is contrary to the flesh. They are in conflict with each other, so that you are not to do whatever you want. But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law.

 

[Strong in Him]

All this talk of confessing sin for forgiveness is just spitting on the Finished Work of Jesus Christ.

No it isn't.
Jesus himself taught us to pray, "forgive us our trespasses".
He also said that if we don't forgive one another, God won't forgive us, and told us to forgive others 70 x 7 - in other words, continuously.

None of us are perfect.
Are you saying that we can do something wrong, rebel against, or deliberately disobey, God and not have to say "sorry" to him? If so, what's your Scripture for that?
Or are you saying that someone can deliberately disobey God and then just say, "oh, it's ok; Christ died for ALL my sin, years ago"? That sounds like the attitude of the Corinthian church - "we are free, we can do what we want and live as we please", which Paul said was wrong.

John said, "if we confess our sin, God is faithful and will forgive us", 1 John 1:8-9. If we don't confess when we sin, how can we be forgiven?
Saying, "I confessed my sin once; from now on, I don't need forgiveness", is what is "spitting on the work of Christ".

 

[lettuce]

Jesus himself taught us to pray, "forgive us our trespasses".

Old Covenant prayer, Jesus hadn't died on the Cross yet.

 

[Strong in Him]

Old Covenant prayer, Jesus hadn't died on the Cross yet.

So all Jesus' teaching about forgiveness is invalid, since he hadn't died on the cross at that point?
Why did he teach us an old covenant prayer then?

 

[iwbswiaihl2]

What is the context of being "in the flesh"? It's not about sinning. What is a Jew's understanding of being "in the flesh"? Being a physical descendant of Abraham. Being a Jew means nothing now and the Law does not save.

Galatians 5:17-18, For the flesh desires what is contrary to the Spirit, and the Spirit what is contrary to the flesh. They are in conflict with each other, so that you are not to do whatever you want. But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law.

The context of being in the flesh is being controlled by the flesh and is indeed about the sins of the flesh. It is being under its rule/dominion. Opposite of being in the Spirit, or following His leadership. When one is filled with the Spirit, that person is doing what is right in the sight of the Holy Spirit. That is my understanding of both. One born again now has the rule broken, knowing the truth and receiving Jesus set believers free from that dominion of the sin nature, it did not eradicate it. Else there would be struggle, would there?

 

[iwbswiaihl2]

There are 2 types of confession, a good confession and a confession that puts one under condemnation for feeling guilty.

What confession puts one under condemnation for feeling guilty? Curios what that is? thanks

 

[Goatee]

Old Covenant prayer, Jesus hadn't died on the Cross yet.

Wrong

 

[Goatee]

Old Covenant prayer, Jesus hadn't died on the Cross yet.

Jesus also told His Apostles to go out and forgive those that have sinned...this was after He resurrected:

John 20:20-23
20 When he had said this, he showed them his hands and his side. Then the disciples were glad when they saw the Lord. 21 Jesus said to them again, “Peace be with you. As the Father has sent me, even so I send you.” 22 And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and said to them, “Receive the Holy Spirit. 23 If you forgive the sins of any, they are forgiven; if you retain the sins of any, they are retained.”

 

[Hillsage]

So all Jesus' teaching about forgiveness is invalid, since he hadn't died on the cross at that point?
Why did he teach us an old covenant prayer then?

He didn't. He taught us a 'Kingdom of God' prayer. The same forgiveness he gave the woman caught in adultery. The same forgiveness he gave the soldiers from the cross. It was the same kind of 'forgiveness of sin' prayer that Stephen prayed, for those who were killing him. It is the same kind of forgiveness of sins power which we have in this world for others, as he taught his apostles.

JOH 20:23 If you forgive the sins of any, they are forgiven; if you retain the sins of any, they are retained."

And it is the same forgiveness of sins power my wife has when I ask for her forgiveness because I've been a buttface. But none of those forgiveness confessions deal with the eternal consequence of sins, only the temporal consequences. The eternal consequence was dealt with on the cross, and received by me with my first confession of Jesus as my savior. That's my POV anyway...but based upon a lot of bible.

 

[Goatee]

Open the Bible. Choose a verse and you will get gazillions of interpretations of it!

 

[Kenny'sID]

Old Covenant prayer, Jesus hadn't died on the Cross yet.

I was waiting for that one, lol, it's an old favorite with no validity whatsoever. Wonder why Jesus taught so much that would just go invalid after he died?

So all Jesus' teaching about forgiveness is invalid, since he hadn't died on the cross at that point?
Why did he teach us an old covenant prayer then?

The prayer was only meant to be used for a very short time til he died?

Funny how Christ never mentioned that about any of the things some claim invalid for the same reason. Also funny how he would teach things that are unusable, and never mention they wiould be not only useless shortly, but they shouldn't be used at all or we would be considered bad. How confusing this is, but wait, God doesn't deal in confusion like people do, however the Master of Confusion will say anything he possibly can to get us to not follow Gods word, and he's right on top of that here towards the end.

 

[Strong in Him]

He didn't. He taught us a 'Kingdom of God' prayer. The same forgiveness he gave the woman caught in adultery. The same forgiveness he gave the soldiers from the cross. It was the same kind of 'forgiveness of sin' prayer that Stephen prayed, for those who were killing him. It is the same kind of forgiveness of sins power which we have in this world for others, as he taught his apostles.

Absolutely agree.
But it was stated that this prayer, which contains the line "forgive us our trespasses" was an "Old Covenant" prayer, because Jesus had not yet died on the cross - see post #304.

The view seems to be that Jesus died for our sins on the cross, we confess once, and then never need to do so again, or we are "spitting on the finished work of Christ."

 

[Goatee]

It's pure fantasy to believe that we do not need to ever confess again for our sins.

 

[Prabhanjan Bag]

Greetings to you brother in the name of Jesus Christ our saviour.
Now about your question I would like to answer positively that yes you need to confess your sin even if you are saved. One thing we must remember that God has forgiven our past sins when we confess it and ask for his forgiveness. But this should not misled us to think that he will forgive our sins automatically even if we do not repent for our further sinful status. So it is a continuous process. God knows our weakness and ready to lend a helping hand to us.

Being human we are very much under the influence of sin. It is our privilege to come to God and ask for his forgiveness whenever we commit sin. St. Paul says, "But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway." 1 Cor.9:27 We have a hope that no matter how many times we fall we will be restored to him if we ask for his forgiveness.
My dear children, I am writing this to you so that you will not sin. But if anyone does sin, we have an advocate who pleads our case before the Father. He is Jesus Christ, the one who is truly righteous. 1 John 2:1

 

[Strong in Him]

The prayer was only meant to be used for a very short time til he died?

No.
That's not my view.; that was the view of Lettuce. I was questioning it.

 

[Kenny'sID]

Continually asking forgiveness as Christ told us we should to, does more than just get us forgiven, it's a constant reminder that we need to be aware of sin, and it is not something to be taken lightly.

Look at it this way, we feel we never need ask forgiveness again, and eventually sin becomes a non issue, as in "Hey, we're forgiven, so why not?". Or at the very least, when in a "should I or should I not?" situation, that may be just enough to tip the scales in a bad decision direction. We need to be kept awake/aware daily.

I think an ongoing asking for forgiveness is an absolute necessity to get us into heaven to begin with but there may be a few reasons God expects it and Jesus taught it.

 

[Kenny'sID]

No.
That's not my view.; that was the view of Lettuce. I was questioning it.

Oh, I know, sorry, my sarcasm sometimes get the best of me.

It was a sarcastic reply because of what Lettuce was putting out there.

I bounced off your post in general because I agree with you.

 

[Hillsage]

Absolutely agree.
But it was stated that this prayer, which contains the line "forgive us our trespasses" was an "Old Covenant" prayer, because Jesus had not yet died on the cross - see post #304.

I agree with "Lettuce" that the "teach us HOW to pray" request from the apostles, came during the time of the OLD covenant. But where in the OLD covenant do you ever see any forgiveness of sin based upon any teaching like that taught by Jesus? I don't know of any scripture. Maybe someone else does, and can share a verse of enlightenment for us. How about it....Lettuce???? Jesus fulfilled the 'letter of the OT law' with his life, but he also lived/walked in the 'spirit of the law of liberty', and that drove the religious 'know it alls' bonkers.

The view seems to be that Jesus died for our sins on the cross, we confess once, and then never need to do so again, or we are "spitting on the finished work of Christ."

I'm a OSAS believer. But only for the salvation of my 'only born again once' spirit, and not my soul. So for me to believe that 'I have to go back and confess a second time for the finished work of Christ' 2000 years ago', would be the equivalent of spitting on his finished work IMO.

I think that point is summed up with the scriptural misunderstanding of those who use Hebrews 6 to wrongly prove you can lose your initial salvation, when scripture says.

Hebrews 6:6 if they then commit apostasy, since they crucify the Son of God on their own account and hold him up to contempt.

My Lord was crucified once for my sins....past, present, future. And any confession of sin that I make now, is not for the purpose of 'BEING forgiven eternally'. That never was the case; I only 'FELT the forgiveness' bought for me with the propitiation and atoning sacrifice of Jesus for all on His cross, not mine. I could never do anything GOOD enough to deserve eternal forgiveness before I first believed. And I haven't done anything GOOD enough to fully maintain it SINCE I first believed. Do I sin less than when I first believed?????.....OOOOOH YES!!! And it's got better year after year after year. And I have been SAVED from a lot of judgments as a result of my obedience in doing so....I think.

Hebrews 12:6 For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.

And I don't believe He 'temporally' judges, chastens, scourges me, unless I willingly refuse to rightly judge and repent when convicted of sin.
and again I say

 

[Goatee]

I agree with "Lettuce" that the "teach us HOW to pray" request from the apostles, came during the time of the OLD covenant. But where in the OLD covenant do you ever see any forgiveness of sin based upon any teaching like that taught by Jesus? I don't know of any scripture. Maybe someone else does, and can share a verse of enlightenment for us. How about it....Lettuce???? Jesus fulfilled the 'letter of the OT law' with his life, but he also lived/walked in the 'spirit of the law of liberty', and that drove the religious 'know it alls' bonkers.


I'm a OSAS believer. But only for the salvation of my 'only born again once' spirit, and not my soul. So for me to believe that 'I have to go back and confess a second time for the finished work of Christ' 2000 years ago', would be the equivalent of spitting on his finished work IMO.

I think that point is summed up with the scriptural misunderstanding of those who use Hebrews 6 to wrongly prove you can lose your initial salvation, when scripture says.

Hebrews 6:6 if they then commit apostasy, since they crucify the Son of God on their own account and hold him up to contempt.

My Lord was crucified once for my sins....past, present, future. And any confession of sin that I make now, is not for the purpose of 'BEING forgiven eternally'. That never was the case; I only 'FELT the forgiveness' bought for me with the propitiation and atoning sacrifice of Jesus for all on His cross, not mine. I could never do anything GOOD enough to deserve eternal forgiveness before I first believed. And I haven't done anything GOOD enough to fully maintain it SINCE I first believed. Do I sin less than when I first believed?????.....OOOOOH YES!!! And it's got better year after year after year. And I have been SAVED from a lot of judgments as a result of my obedience in doing so....I think.

Hebrews 12:6 For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.

And I don't believe He 'temporally' judges, chastens, scourges me, unless I willingly refuse to rightly judge and repent when convicted of sin.
and again I say

So, if you killed someone u don't need to ask God for forgiveness?