Confessing Sin!

[iwbswiaihl2]

I believe a lot of people on here simply comment just to stir up strife. because they take bits and pieces of what you say and twist it up, then try and make it seem like their these highly regarded theologians. I love everybody and I respect their views but I thought we were suppose to be Christians? these people are rude at times and disrespectful. they are condescending and speak as tho their above you.. Lord have mercy

I learn that many years ago, but try to just over look it and move on. And you will agree with this, had the Lord not given each of us the wisdom and understanding that we have we truly would not know the truth from error. And knowing that we are to try to keep the unity of the body of Christ, let's just keep on keeping on.

 

[Kenny'sID]

I will say this, you are being extremely condescending. Your question to my understanding was "can a person get into heaven without doing the works listed below?" that was your question you quoted a scripture where 2 groups of people were mentioned. one group did xyz and the other group didn't. but seeing as though your so arrogant in your conversational approach i will justtake it for what it's worth and continue to do what He called me to do.. God Bless you

I understand. Did you see what I said to Lettuce when commenting on his answer, about how he/she made it easy but some actually get angry with me and walk away?

My "arrogance" has nothing to do with it, that was just your made up way to get out from between a rock and a hard place...nothing more. You may explain how I was arrogant if you like and I will prove that had nothing to do with it.

"What he called" you to do is the same as he very clearly called us all to do, take care of the poor, the needy, send money of you must, do what we can, or go to Hell. Works don't get us to heaven but the lack thereof shows no walk to our faith and all talk, and most assuredly WILL keep us out of heaven. Faith without works is dead. Want to know how I know? Read the scripture again, it cannot be any clearer.

And I do understand you/others just don't want to acknowledge that right now, I only push it as hard as I do because it might eventually sink in....maybe not....besides, it's my job.

 

[shaheem white]

I understand. Did you see what I said to Lettuce when commenting on his answer, about how he/she made it easy but some actually get angry with me and walk away?

"What he called" you to do is the same as he very clearly called us all to do, take care of the poor, the needy, send money of you must, do what we can, or go to Hell. Works don't get us to heaven but the lack thereof shows no walk to our faith and all talk, and most assuredly WILL keep us out of heaven. Faith without works is dead. Want to know how I know? Read the scripture again, it cannot be any clearer.

And I do understand you/others just don't want to acknowledge that right now, I only push it as hard as I do because it might eventually sink in....maybe not....besides, it's my job.

I said that! what are you talking about? lol wow! Have a great day I've heard it ll now. you just said everything I said in my response.. wow!

 

[Kenny'sID]

We all love each other. It's just that some don't like criticism

Then prove your criticism correct and watch out. lol

 

[shaheem white]

Then prove your criticism correct and watch out. lol

what? ok now i'm convinced! you like strife. I will not continue to feed this any more. God is the center of my life. have a blessed and productive day

 

[Kenny'sID]

I said that! what are you talking about? lol wow! Have a great day I've heard it ll now. you just said everything I said in my response.. wow!

Then you agree works are necessary?

And please, don't play the "are you losing it" card along with the ones you have already played, your intent's obvious.

 

[Goatee]

what? ok now i'm convinced! you like strife. I will not continue to feed this any more. God is the center of my life. have a blessed and productive day

Buddy, nobody likes strife. Just accept that you might not be right. I know you don't like criticism. Take some time to study scripture in a better light my friend in Christ.

We are all friends on here.

 

[shaheem white]

Then you agree works are necessary?

And please, don't play the "are you losing it" card along with the ones you have already played, your intent's obvious.

this is what I am saying! when it comes to works there is nothing that we can do on our own to gain access to heaven. Grace is a gift from God not by works lest any man should boast. in the book of james it's clear that our works are a reflection of our faith. He said i'll show you my faith by my works. so His faith is revealed in what he does but God doesn't see the work he sees the faith behind the work....

Luke 5:19,20
but they could not find a way through the crowd. So they went up on the roof and lowered him on his mat through the tiles into the middle of the crowd, right in front ofJesus. When Jesus saw their faith, He said, “Friend, your sins are forgiven.”…

it doesn't say Jesus saw them lowering the man through the roof (their works) it says He saw their faith!!!!! so it wasn't about what they did, it was about the faith they had that caused them to do what they did....

 

[Goatee]

Faith and works go hand in hand. Simples

 

[Kenny'sID]

it doesn't say Jesus saw them lowering the man through the roof (their works) it says He saw their faith!!!!! so it wasn't about what they did, it was about the faith they had that caused them to do what they did....

The Sheep and the goats say nothing of faith, just the works, so just because that isn't worded a certain way it hardly makes the point only one matter or is most important. As a matter of fact the Sheep/Goats scripture more than indicates it is the works that matter...again, mentions nothing of faith,

They work together, but I've always stood behind just obeying God. If you don't get what faith is, just do the works, and that's good enough for God...it's called obedience and if you have enough faith to do that, you're in.

Faith can be made out as many OSASr's do, to be some magical/spacey end all/all we need and nothing else, an empty claim. Works are solid, our fruits that we can actually see, that God can actually see, that Jesus actually saw and was pleased.

I guess one might say when it comes to "works" it's literally, a do or die situation.

 

[Strong in Him]

I had to go back and read why I said what I posted and this is the only thing that I disagreed with in your statement and is why I made the remarks that you mention , I can't be perfect for 5 minutes - that is, perfect in thought, word, desire, dreams etc, never mind one day. To be honest I wouldn't want to. Not that I enjoy sinning, but the thought of waking up and saying "I'm perfect, I don't need my Saviour today" is too awful to contemplate. And then I went on to explain why. Otherwise from what I remember I do agree with your other comments. Thanks

Ok. Sorry if I've misunderstood.

 

[1stcenturylady]

I agree with Jay.

However, there are some today who would like us to believe that 1 John 1 was written to unbelievers only. They say this in an attempt to support what I believe to be their errant reading of 1 John 3, and their presupposition that true Christians cannot sin, and therefore, have no reason to continue to ask for forgiveness.

1 John 2, from its opening phrase tells us otherwise however, that the Apostle was addressing believers (not unbelievers) in 1 John 1 (believers of all levels of maturity in the faith, in fact .. see 1 John 1:8 - 2:14 below).

1 John 1
8 If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
10 If we say we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

1 John 2
1 My little children, I am writing these things to you so that you may not sin. But if anyone does sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous.
2 He is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the sins of the whole world.
3 And by this we know that we have come to know him, if we keep his commandments.
4 Whoever says “I know him” but does not keep his commandments is a liar, and the truth is not in him,
5 but whoever keeps his word, in him truly the love of God is perfected. By this we may know that we are in him:
6 whoever says he abides in him ought to walk in the same way in which he walked.
7 Beloved, I am writing you no new commandment, but an old commandment that you had from the beginning. The old commandment is the word that you have heard.
8 At the same time, it is a new commandment that I am writing to you, which is true in him and in you, because the darkness is passing away and the true light is already shining.
9 Whoever says he is in the light and hates his brother is still in darkness.
10 Whoever loves his brother abides in the light, and in him there is no cause for stumbling.
11 But whoever hates his brother is in the darkness and walks in the darkness, and does not know where he is going, because the darkness has blinded his eyes.

12 I am writing to you, little children,
because your sins are forgiven for his name’s sake.
13 I am writing to you, fathers,
because you know him who is from the beginning.
I am writing to you, young men,
because you have overcome the evil one.
I write to you, children,
because you know the Father.
14 I write to you, fathers,
because you know him who is from the beginning.
I write to you, young men,
because you are strong,
and the word of God abides in you,
and you have overcome the evil one.​

Yours and His,
David

John was writing to his congregation which consisted mostly of believers. However, there was a sect of Gnostics and Nicolaitans that were trying to infiltrate all the churches. Paul fought them too. So Paul is writing to them also. Verse 7 describes the true Christians. But you are wrong if you believe Christians also walk in darkness and sin. And chapter 3 spells it out the best. If you willfully sin, your father is the devil. Don't be deceived. I don't know why having never been one, but Calvinists seem to have the most trouble reading 1 John in context. They also believe Romans 7 is about Christians, when in context of all of Romans from chapter 1, it is about those under the law WITHOUT Christ. It is Christ and His gifts of the Holy Spirit that stops the struggle, because the Spirit gives us the power to kill the desire to sin, making us dead to sin, and the reason we are no longer under the law. Sin is lawlessness, but if you don't have the desire to sin, you won't break laws, and thus don't need them to follow. We follow the Spirit instead.

 

[iwbswiaihl2]

Dead to the dominion or rule of sin, not the desire to sin. Rom 6:14 for sin shall not have dominion over you, for you are not under the law but under grace. Walk in the Spirit and you shall not fulfill the desires of the flesh. 17 The flesh wars against the Spirit and the Spirit against the flesh Gal 5:16-17.

 

[RaymondG]

And if it doesn't make sense to you, then your advice to me, would really be better if followed by you. I was sincere by asking if you had any questions, at the end of my post. This response of yours, just appears a bit snide IMO.

Most assuredly, scripture is always a veil as well as a revelation. And it is always as shallow or as deep as the ones who are studying it. That's what makes forums like this as much of a cursing as they are a blessing.

There was no "snide-ness" intended by my remarks and I find no fault in any of yours. My God bless you on your journey to heaven.

 

[Hillsage]

Hi guys @RaymondG and @Hillsage,

I went back and read a few of your responses to one another. I just wanted to point out that 1 John 1 has a few verses that are NOT about a born again Christian. They are 6, 8 and 10.

As you might not remember I'll share this; verse 6 and 7 both refer specifically to "fellowship" which I believe is the context for verses 8 and 10. And "fellowship" is the term which I believe defines those talked about, as being believers who have a born again relationship with God. Or, as Shaheem keeps saying...a "POSITIONAL" relationship which can't be lost.

All of these show name only Christians who have a perverted Christianity. They have never confessed their sins to begin with, and still walk in darkness. It doesn't mean that a born again Christian who is dead to sin must still claim to be a sinner now that they are cleansed and walk in the light, and are righteous.

I'm going to have to say that I don't believe I'm a 'name only Christian'. I believe I've been a born again, Spirit baptized, tongue talking, bible thumping, devil chasing Christian. But I also believe that I, like Paul said, "am not perfect" yet either. And therefore I've sinned.

I believe we ALL still have the sin nature, which I believe is FLESH. And in the same context where Paul said "we are dead to sin" he also said "reckon/consider yourselves dead to sin". Him saying that, puts a whole different spin on things for me contextually.

I know you've both heard me say this before, but for any others eavesdropping , John is using a Semetic style of writing showing contrasts. Light verses darkness, starting with verse 5. Note every other verse are opposites.

5 God is LIGHT (TRUTH)

I agree, and if I'm 'walking right' I'm 'in that light'.

6 Walking in darkness (no truth

Or, falling/backsliding/sinning....just like John spoke of regarding the Christians who might still sin. But in 1 Joh 2:1 he assures us we're still under the propitiation for our sins, because of our advocate Jesus.

1JO 2:1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:
2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

7 Walking in the light (cleansed of ALL sins, none left to claim)

I'm still going to say, you are not differentiating between the salvation received from first coming TO the light. Subsequent to 'that salvation' I can 'walk in Christ/light' and I can walk out of fellowship and into the darkness of sin. But my born again 'relationship' never changed.

8 Claim they are not a sinner so don't need Christ. (no truth who is the Spirit)
9 How to become a Christian. Repent - receive the Holy Spirit (Acts 2:38)
10 Claims they have never sinned so don't need Christ. (no truth who is the Spirit.)

Is this talking about an unbeliever? I don't think so, I think it would be talking about me...if I said I never sinned after getting born again. Or, if I said I never sinned after I got baptized with the Holy Spirit. I'm not throwing a spear here Sister, we just disagree.

 

[Hillsage]

There was no "snide-ness" intended by my remarks and I find no fault in any of yours. My God bless you on your journey to heaven.

Thank you for this clarification Raymond. Forum formats can easily be misread. His blessing upon you also.

 

[1stcenturylady]

As you might not remember I'll share this; verse 6 and 7 both refer specifically to "fellowship" which I believe is the context for verses 8 and 10. And "fellowship" is the term which I believe defines those talked about, as being believers who have a born again relationship with God. Or, as Shaheem keeps saying...a "POSITIONAL" relationship which can't be lost.


I'm going to have to say that I don't believe I'm a 'name only Christian'. I believe I've been a born again, Spirit baptized, tongue talking, bible thumping, devil chasing Christian. But I also believe that I, like Paul said, "am not perfect" yet either. And therefore I've sinned.

I believe we ALL still have the sin nature, which I believe is FLESH. And in the same context where Paul said "we are dead to sin" he also said "reckon/consider yourselves dead to sin". Him saying that, puts a whole different spin on things for me contextually.

I agree, and if I'm 'walking right' I'm 'in that light'.
Or, falling/backsliding/sinning....just like John spoke of regarding the Christians who might still sin. But in 1 Joh 2:1 he assures us we're still under the propitiation for our sins, because of our advocate Jesus.

1JO 2:1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:
2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.


I'm still going to say, you are not differentiating between the salvation received from first coming TO the light. Subsequent to 'that salvation' I can 'walk in Christ/light' and I can walk out of fellowship and into the darkness of sin. But my born again 'relationship' never changed.


Is this talking about an unbeliever? I don't think so, I think it would be talking about me...if I said I never sinned after getting born again. Or, if I said I never sinned after I got baptized with the Holy Spirit. I'm not throwing a spear here Sister, we just disagree.

To your last paragraph I believe you are disagreeing with John. What I believe does not. But that is about WILLFUL sin. Even while you are walking in the light, the blood of Jesus is still cleansing you of some type of sin. So what type is that? It would be unintentional sin. Willful sin is known sin that you would be doing in rebellion against God. What true Christian would do that? None!

 

[Hillsage]

To your last paragraph I believe you are disagreeing with John. What I believe does not. But that is about WILLFUL sin. Even while you are walking in the light, the blood of Jesus is still cleansing you of some type of sin. So what type is that? It would be unintentional sin. Willful sin is known sin that you would be doing in rebellion against God. What true Christian would do that? None!

I don't look at "cleansing" me from sin as being the same thing as being forgiven for all my sins whether they be 'past, present, future'. That price was paid by Jesus once and for all, as far as God and scripture is concerned. And I accepted that fact in 1972. I'm also going to say that, I believe that most of the sins I commit at this stage of maturity are all "WILLFUL sin". My spirit is fully saved. But my soul is not. Believers are double souled depending on who is the lord of their actions.

JAM 4:8 Draw nigh to God, and he will draw nigh to you. Cleanse your hands, ye sinners; and purify your hearts, ye double minded/dipsuchos.

And the Greek word dipsuchos is equally translatable as double souled.

Having said that, let me also comment on your stance concerning those you 'accuse falsely' IMO, of being a 'son of the devil'. The following verse is talking to 'older' Christian women....just saying.

Titus 2:3 The aged women likewise, that they be in behaviour as becometh holiness, not false accusers/diabolos, not given to much wine, teachers of good things;

1228 diabolos ; false accuser, devil, slanderer.

I'm truly not trying to offend. But would you not agree that the older women spoken of above are 'Christians'? I think that the source/father of our actions, as born again Christians, whether they 'becometh holiness or hellishness' determines when we're either saintly saints, or a sinning saints.

Time for this 'older' man to hit the hay.

 

[SBC]

Greetings my brothers and sisters in Christ. I come to you in Love and in the power of the Holy Spirit. There is a issue in the church today that I need to address and i'm asking for your views (backed by scripture of course). After you accept Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior and you like 2 Cor 5:17 states "Become new" do you still confess your sins to God seeking forgiveness? I know the truth, I just wanna see what others have to say on the topic....

After accepting Jesus Christ, by the power within, by His Seed, by having overcome,
a man sins no more, thus there is no more sin or asking for forgiveness necessary.

1 John 3
[9] Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

1 John 4
[4] Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

God Bless,
SBC

 

[lettuce]

You bring up an interesting statement, though an obvious one, why would anyone confess a sin that they were not guilty of? I thought that was the point of confession. Besides that having read his posts I know that he knows Rom 8:1 there is therefore now no condemnation to those that are in Christ Jesus. Thanks

There are 2 types of confession, a good confession and a confession that puts one under condemnation for feeling guilty.