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I think its useless to give it a label Jesus didn’t. I think a warning is a better description. There are those here who recently wrote their sins don’t matter. They’d be harder pressed to write Jesus’ warnings don’t matter.So...just to clarify, do you believe harboring unforgiveness is not a sin?
Nice. Do modern OSAS believers adjust their understanding of belief and faith by you sharing that? I’m serious. I discussed this very thing with a poster here recently and they took refuge in Webster’s which merely means giving mental ascent.
I know what you write is true because that is what faith and believing is to me by walking with and obeying the living God. I agree with you, of course, and am blessed by your post, but got there myself through relationship with God himself.
I’d be surprised if modern cheap grace believers are willing to give up their idea of faith the dictionary supplies. It’s a lot cheaper than what the writers of the Bible meant.
Thanks for the post!!
I am not surprised. I am come to the conclusion that OSAS has a spiritual bondage/blindness that comes with it. You can show them all the Greek you want. I suspect if Jesus himself showed up they would not budge. They got their license to behave as they want and are assured they are going to Heaven no matter what they do. There is a blindness that comes with this that true Greek is not going to penetrate.Unfortunately you are correct most simply disregard it with no more than a “nuh uh” explanation. Lol
I am not surprised. I am come to the conclusion that OSAS has a spiritual bondage/blindness that comes with it. You can show them all the Greek you want. I suspect if Jesus himself showed up they would not budge. They got their license to behave as they want and are assured they are going to Heaven no matter what they do. There is a blindness that comes with this that true Greek is not going to penetrate.
Most people want to be Loved by others for the way they want others to perceive them to be. Loving in spite of the way the person is not really logical. For the all powerful all knowing ever existing God, we could expect Him to reach the epidemy of perfection, so it is logical in that way. God's Love for us is not affected by our actions and does not change who God is, just as the prodigal son's father does not need to son to return to Love him.It’s all ok except the logical bit. Gods type love is completely logical. It is thoroughly rational. One only needs the correct understanding to start with.
That is why I think there is a spiritual bondage there. People get angry over an idea. They get abusive as well.Unfortunately my brother is also blinded by this false teaching. He gets angry when I try to explain the scriptures to him because he doesn’t want to hear that he must change his way of life to be saved. He wants to live his life his way and if God can’t accept him for who he is then oh well. His exact words. I pray The Lord will work in him and he will come around before it’s too late.
Ah, so most people want deception in those who love them? Others are supposed to perceive them to be a certain way they really are not? What kind of love is that? I have no idea if most people want this but there must be some who have received a love of the truth and want truth in those who love them too.Most people want to be Loved by others for the way they want others to perceive them to be.
It is for God. This is because God and those filled with his spirit see that person as made in His image and worthy of love for that reason if no other. I guess one has to experience it to see the logic. God sees the truth and loves. That is logical given the right understanding.Loving in spite of the way the person is not really logical.
It is true that our actions do not change God. But our actions deeply affect our relationship with God. That is, he responds to our actions. We make choices and he makes choices based on our choices at times. If we make other choices, then He makes other choices. He is not unresponsive.For the all powerful all knowing ever existing God, we could expect Him to reach the epidemy of perfection, so it is logical in that way. God's Love for us is not affected by our actions and does not change who God is, just as the prodigal son's father does not need to son to return to Love him.
I said it is clearly a warning Jesus gave. I will not call it what Jesus refused to call it. Not everything out of his mouth was a command.So...just to clarify, do you believe harboring unforgiveness is not a sin?
Excuse my not understanding you so is unforgiveness a sin?I said it is clearly a warning Jesus gave. I will not call it what Jesus refused to call it. Not everything out of his mouth was a command. When Jesus told us to take that we are not deceived, it does not mean that getting deceived is a sin. When Jesus told us to work while it is yet day for the night comes when no man can work, he was not saying not working while it is yet day is a sin. This is a kind of black and white thinking as though all that JEsus said was either a sin or not a sin. There are other kinds of input like warnings. If we do not forgive we will not be forgiven. That is a warning. I prefer to take Jesus' view of matters and not change my thinking away from his. He warned. "Sin" was not mentioned.
You really insist on putting the words of Jesus in one of two boxes, don't you? Doesn't the word "warning" come to mind at all?Excuse my not understanding you so is unforgiveness a sin?
What is so hard about answering yes or no? I asked you a very simple question. Is unforgiveness a sin?You really insist on putting the words of Jesus in one of two boxes, don't you? Doesn't the word "warning" come to mind at all?
All mature adults have to the ability to: wimp out, give up and surrender to their enemy (God) while He is still their enemy. They have the little faith needed to humbly accept God's pure charity in the form of forgiveness.Do you agree that God loves everyone and everyone has the ability to repent and be saved?
I have tried to explain God's Love to good intelligent people with no results, but like you say it is better experienced than explained.Ah, so most people want deception in those who love them? Others are supposed to perceive them to be a certain way they really are not? What kind of love is that? I have no idea if most people want this but there must be some who have received a love of the truth and want truth in those who love them too.
It is for God. This is because God and those filled with his spirit see that person as made in His image and worthy of love for that reason if no other. I guess one has to experience it to see the logic. God sees the truth and loves. That is logical given the right understanding.
It is true that our actions do not change God. But our actions deeply affect our relationship with God. That is, he responds to our actions. We make choices and he makes choices based on our choices at times. If we make other choices, then He makes other choices. He is not unresponsive.
When the men asked Jesus a “simple “ question as to which man would be the wife of a woman legimately married many times, he didn’t give a “simple” answer because they didn’t understand the foundational matter at all and he only told the truth. That’s the problem. Jesus gave a lot of warnings and God doesn’t have only two words to describe our choices, sin or non-sin.What is so hard about answering yes or no? I asked you a very simple question. Is unforgiveness a sin?
Seems to me that you are skirting a simple answer.
There are many things about understanding God that require Him to open the mind as it has been darkened by too many sinful choices.I have tried to explain God's Love to good intelligent people with no results, but like you say it is better experienced than explained.
I agree with you about God reacting to our choices.
That was pretty insulting to Oldmantook. Don’t you want to word it like you would like to be spoken to?
John 15:1-10 was Jesus’ audience saved or lost?
Really? I guess you skipped over Roman 8:13?
You really need to learn the basics of what you claim to believe. Jesus was a Jew speaking to Jews about Jewish concerns. It was not possible to be saved before Pentecost, Acts chapter 2.
Jesus Christ was not a Christian. He knew nothing of the Christian church.
Ephesians 3:4-7 King James Version (KJV)
4 Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ)
5 Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit;
6 That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel:
7 Whereof I was made a minister, according to the gift of the grace of God given unto me by the effectual working of his power.
Read the bible Romans through 2 Thessalonians over and over until you start to remember passages. That is the part that applies to Christians.
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