Common Core promoting Islam!!!!

TLK Valentine · Dec 31, 2014

The opinion piece in question reads like a complete load, btw.

The anonymous"parent" gave very specific step-by-step descriptions of what allegedly happened in the classroom. Now, assuming the parent wasn't there, that means they got a detailed description, including quotes from the teacher, verbatim from the third-grade kid.

Kid's got quite the remarkable memory and an eye for detail, dontcha think? Must be a G&T program.

And why is the parent requesting anonymity? Fear of reprisal? From whom? The school? other parents? Wouldn't you want it known which class, and which teacher, was involved in this, so that other parents would ask their kids what happened in the class?

And isn't it a wonderful coincidence that this kid just so happened to hold on to his paper against the teacher's alleged instructions, just as the first one allegedly did, to show to a parent who was set out from the beginning to vindicate the first child's story -- and in so doing, vindicating the author as well?

And isn't it remarkably convenient that not only did the image have the website on it, but, being printed directly from the web (as the "page 1 of 1" on the top indicates), would have the exact url printed out on the bottom? Assuming of course that the teacher didn't change the print settings on the computer -- of course, nothing about the "handout" indicates a high level of computer literacy on the part of the owner...

And why is there no mention of the second parent confronting either the teacher or the principal? Seems like he/she went straight to Mr. Starnes with their story -- who has every reason to believe it, but no power to do anything constructive about it.

The whole thing smells like a McMartin case in the making...

ChristsSoldier115 · Dec 31, 2014

TLK Valentine said:
Amen to that. Folks on this thread, after being shown ad nauseam that Common Core is not promoting Islam, have shifted their outrage to the idea of teaching about Islam in general.

Why?

Are they afraid that if someone teaches their kids what Islam is, they might convert?

Are they afraid that the schools may not teach the required amount of hate that they demand when discussing Islam?

Are they afriad that a teacher who sees their kids for 40 minutes a day, five days a week, 180 days a year, might have more influence over their kids' spiritual growth than parents who have them the rest of their lives?

Seems like the panic is based on poor parenting.

Is the school indoctrinating islam into your children, or are you too dang lazy to teach your kids anything and decide to depend entirely on the school to do it? That is bad parenting in my opinion. If they become muslim converts under your nose it is your failure as a parent and not the schools fault. Obviously you are weak in the faith by word and practice for your children to be enticed into another faith so easily.

TLK Valentine · Dec 31, 2014

ChristsSoldier115 said:
Is the school indoctrinating islam into your children, or are you too dang lazy to teach your kids anything and decide to depend entirely on the school to do it? That is bad parenting in my opinion. If they become muslim converts under your nose it is your failure as a parent and not the schools fault. Obviously you are weak in the faith by word and practice for your children to be enticed into another faith so easily.

And if the latest story is as fishy as it smells, it's a poor Christian example to be setting.... actually, it's a poor example in general; I know how some people get testy when I, of all people, have to remind certain Christians to act more Christian.

Metal Minister · Dec 31, 2014

Bedford said:
Quoting Nazis!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

If you want to stop derailing the thread, then just stop derailing.

Smh Smh

Bedford · Dec 31, 2014

ChristsSoldier115 said:
If they become muslim converts under your nose it is your failure as a parent and not the schools fault.

I understand what you're saying here, but I wonder how asking a few vocabulary questions relating to Islam is going entice anybody to convert?

TLK Valentine · Dec 31, 2014

Bedford said:
I understand what you're saying here, but I wonder how asking a few vocabulary questions relating to Islam is going entice anybody to convert?

It's not -- but the fear of enticement is what rules the day here.

We've long since moved away from the facts and into the hysteria -- like I said, it's McMartin all over again, unless cooler, wiser heads steer us away from that path.

Bedford · Dec 31, 2014

TLK Valentine said:
It's not -- but the fear of enticement is what rules the day here.

Indeed.

ChristsSoldier115 · Dec 31, 2014

Bedford said:
I understand what you're saying here, but I wonder how asking a few vocabulary questions relating to Islam is going entice anybody to convert?

If they are converted from a few phrases that is a huge example of bad parenting. What we should be asking is why are parents afraid to parent their children? The failure of the family core is a problem of america, most evident when people complain about the schools doing a poor job of something they shouldn't be totally depending upon them to do anyhow.

Bedford · Dec 31, 2014

ChristsSoldier115 said:
If they are converted from a few phrases that is a huge example of bad parenting.

It is an example of an unrealistic thought, that's all.

gnomon · Dec 31, 2014

Sistrin said:
Why are you spamming the thread?

No one here attempting to discuss this rationally has made the claim of conspiracy, which you keep doing in the tired attempt to make everyone sound crazy by evoking the conspiracy theory boogie-man. As I have said at least twice here before, the issue is elements of Islam such as the Muslim Brotherhood, CAIR, and the INSA are supporting Common Core. Given your natural curiosity I would think you would naturally ask why. But political correctness makes cowards of many, and many are far too afraid of being called some PC related name rather than invest any thought into an issue and ask a simple question. Note this last comment is not directed at you personally, it is a general comment directed at America at large.

The answer as to why such radical Islamic groups are so supportive of Common Core is simple. They know American liberal/progressives are on their side, whether willingly or through ignorance doesn't matter. They can get their very clearly spelled out and publicly articulated agenda inserted into Common Core because American liberal/progressives will either welcome it with open arms or refuse to oppose it out of fear.

This does not require a conspiracy, it only requires American liberals and progressives to be who they are. Enough evidence has been offered here to show groups such as CAIR and the Muslim Brotherhood are pursuing their agenda and successfully inserting various aspects of it into Common Core, and thus before American students.

Thanks to the overriding mentality of those crafting Common Core, groups such as CAIR and the Muslim Brotherhood and the INSA can rest assured the truth concerning radical Islam will never be presented to American students, that radical Islam is promoting their religion one murder at a time.

CAIR etc. all know who they are dealing with. No conspiracy is required, other than for the American left to be the American left.

"The further a society drifts from the truth, the more it will hate those who speak it."~George Orwell

Are you seriously going to claim the American public education system turns out students on par with those of other first-world countries?

The appeal to authority.

Elements of Islam promote Common Core, thus making the premise of this thread valid by default.

No one here has made any claim concerning all Muslims. However within context of radical Islam, various Muslims have made their goal clear:

"Let the entire world hear me. Our hostility to the Great Satan [America] is absolute. . . . Regardless of how the world has changed after 11 September, 'Death to America' will remain our reverberating and powerful slogan: 'Death to America.'"

Hassan Nasrallah - Leader of Hezbollah

"America is the reason for all oppression, injustice, licentiousness, or suppression that is the Muslims' lot. . . . We have the right to kill 4 million Americans -- 2 million of them children -- and to exile twice as many and wound and cripple hundreds of thousands. Furthermore, it is our right to fight them with chemical and biological weapons. . . . America is kept at bay by blood alone."

Suleiman Abu Gheithv - al Qaeda spokesman.

While some scholars are not afraid to speak to those stated goals:

The idea is simple: Islam must have power in this world. It is the true religionthe religion of Godand its truth is manifest in its power. When Muslims believed, they were powerful. Their power has been lost in modern times because Islam has been abandoned by many Muslims, who have reverted to the condition that preceded Gods revelation to the Prophet Muhammad. But if Muslims now return to the original Islam, they can preserve and even restore their power. That return, to be effective, must be comprehensive; Islam provides the one and only solution to all questions in this world, from public policy to private conduct. It is not merely a religion, in the Western sense of a system of belief in God. It possesses an immutable law, revealed by God, that deals with every aspect of life, and it is an ideology, a complete system of belief about the organization of the state and the world. This law and ideology can only be implemented through the establishment of a truly Islamic state, under the sovereignty of God. The empowerment of Islam, which is Gods plan for mankind, is a sacred end.

Martin Kramer - President of Shalem College, Jerusalem.

The incident listed in the OP isn't the only one to have been reported on:

Second Parent: My child got Nation of Islam paper, too

A second parent has now come forward acknowledging their child received a Nation of Islam handout in a third grade class at Harold McCormick Elementary School in Elizabethton, Tennessee contradicting claims by the school district that the document was not distributed in the classroom.

Source: Second Parent: My child got Nation of Islam paper, too | Fox News

This has also been reported on by Townhall:

Second Parent: My Child Got Nation of Islam Paper, Too - Todd Starnes - Page 1

Michigan Teacher Ask Class To Create Islamic Propaganda For Third Grade Class

A Michigan teacher asked students to create Islamic propaganda for a school project. Jenison High School officials are now under fire for promoting Islam and spreading misinformation. Jeannette Hall said her daughter Brianna completed the project. However she is outraged about the unusual assignment.

Source: Michigan Teacher Asks Class To Create Islamic Propaganda For Third Grade Class

I posted a list of all the sources I used. For the second time I ask you to back up this claim. Cite for us which of those sources were guilty of the accusations you make in any regard. Baring that refute the information given. To date you have only offered your opinion.

Useless.

A link to a news story in which a teacher exposed students to numerous religions and one of them happened to be Islam. And the teacher included material expressing the basic concepts of Islam.

Didn't call the students to prayer. Didn't ask the students to abandon their own religion and worship Allah. So that was evidence of what?

Nothing. Absolutely nothing.

You moved the goal posts completely away from the OP and making bad attempts by mentioning radical Islam combined with links to superficial nonsense. Namely the parent in the linked article is nothing more than an intellectual coward.

I'm done here. This thread is utter garbage.

kiwimac · Dec 31, 2014

gnomon said:
Useless.

A link to a news story in which a teacher exposed students to numerous religions and one of them happened to be Islam. And the teacher included material expressing the basic concepts of Islam.

Didn't call the students to prayer. Didn't ask the students to abandon their own religion and worship Allah. So that was evidence of what?

Nothing. Absolutely nothing.

You moved the goal posts completely away from the OP and making bad attempts by mentioning radical Islam combined with links to superficial nonsense. Namely the parent in the linked article is nothing more than an intellectual coward.

I'm done here. This thread is utter garbage.

Amen!

USincognito · Dec 31, 2014

TLK Valentine said:
PROTIP: No school -- least of all a public school -- is going to shell out the kind of exorbitant expense to use a color copier for student handouts.

In my day we got prints off a spirit duplicator and we were lucky to have that!

CaDan · Dec 31, 2014

USincognito said:
In my day we got prints off a spirit duplicator and we were lucky to have that!

Ahhh! That fresh ditto smell!

kiwimac · Dec 31, 2014

Ah Gestetners! I used to love that smell.

Sistrin · Dec 31, 2014

gnomon said:
Didn't call the students to prayer. Didn't ask the students to abandon their own religion and worship Allah.

That was never the charge.

gnomon said:
So that was evidence of what?

An old tactic. By equating all religions you diminish the value of certain religions in the very places they are most practiced. It also foments sympathy, so that when someone attempts to address flaws in and perversions of that religion others respond with hostility, slander, and insult. As has happened here.

gnomon said:
You moved the goal posts completely away from the OP and making bad attempts by mentioning radical Islam combined with links to superficial nonsense.

Which you have refused to even attempt to refute, other than to sling mud.

gnomon · Dec 31, 2014

Sistrin said:
That was never the charge.

An old tactic. By equating all religions you diminish the value of certain religions in the very places they are most practiced. It also foments sympathy, so that when someone attempts to address flaws in and perversions of that religion others respond with hostility, slander, and insult. As has happened here.

Which you have refused to even attempt to refute, other than to sling mud.

I'll delve into the garbage again.

That was absolutely the charge of the OP. That Common Core was promoting Islam. Given that neither you nor the author of the OP was able to provide a single example of Common Core "promoting" Islam than you are wrong.

Either you have actual evidence regarding the OP or you don't. It's that simple. Nothing you have linked so far is proof of anything.

Except for certain prejudices.

Blue Wren · Dec 31, 2014

gnomon said:
I'll delve into the garbage again.

That was absolutely the charge of the OP. That Common Core was promoting Islam. Given that neither you nor the author of the OP was able to provide a single example of Common Core "promoting" Islam than you are wrong.

Either you have actual evidence regarding the OP or you don't. It's that simple. Nothing you have linked so far is proof of anything.

Except for certain prejudices.

QFT

CaDan · Dec 31, 2014

gnomon said:
I'll delve into the garbage again.

That was absolutely the charge of the OP. That Common Core was promoting Islam. Given that neither you nor the author of the OP was able to provide a single example of Common Core "promoting" Islam than you are wrong.

Either you have actual evidence regarding the OP or you don't. It's that simple. Nothing you have linked so far is proof of anything.

Except for certain prejudices.

Evidence? C'mon, you saw the scales. She weighs the same as a duck.

gnomon · Dec 31, 2014

CaDan said:
Evidence? C'mon, you saw the scales. She weighs the same as a duck.

She turned me into a newt.

But I got better.

Belk · Dec 31, 2014

Sistrin said:
That was never the charge.

An old tactic. By equating all religions you diminish the value of certain religions in the very places they are most practiced. It also foments sympathy, so that when someone attempts to address flaws in and perversions of that religion others respond with hostility, slander, and insult. As has happened here.

Which you have refused to even attempt to refute, other than to sling mud.

How does that work exactly? How does presenting some of the core tenets of Islam translate into Christianity having a diminished value?

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