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[INTJ-F]

Dams causing earthquakes is a well known scientific fact. There are many articles about dams causing earthquakes. This was written before the Three Gorges Dam was finished (just snippets of the article)

Giant Chinese Dam May Cause Earth to Move, Alaska Science Forum

Alaska Science Forum
November 10, 1999

Giant Chinese Dam May Cause Earth to Move

Article #1465

by Ned Rozell[SIZE=+3]
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This column is provided as a public service by the Geophysical Institute, University of Alaska Fairbanks, in cooperation with the UAF research community. Ned Rozell is a science writer at the institute.

No one knows how local seismic faults will react to the incredible mass of water behind Three Gorges Dam. Like heavy snow on an overloaded roof, the weight of water blocked by dams can cause existing cracks in Earth's crust to slip, resulting in earthquakes. Faults tend to slip more often when a nearby giant reservoir is filled with water. The largest was a magnitude 6.5 triggered by the Konya reservoir in Turkey. That earthquake killed 200 people in December 1967.


NASA funded Jeff Freymueller and Shusun Li of the Geophysical Institute to help the Chinese determine the seismic risk of Three Gorges Dam. Millions of people downstream from the dam are at risk should an earthquake damage or destroy it. "A catastrophic failure of the dam would be perhaps the single most destructive event in human history," said Freymueller, a professor of geophysics. He added that the chances of the dam being destroyed by an earthquake are small, but because the consequences are so severe any seismic activity induced by the reservoir has to be taken seriously.

 

[INTJ-F]

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Earthquakes Triggered by Dams | International Rivers

Earthquakes can be induced by dams. Globally, there are over 100 identified cases of earthquakes that scientists believe were triggered by reservoirs (see Gupta 2002). The most serious case may be the 7.9-magnitude Sichuan earthquake in May 2008, which killed an estimated 80,000 people and has been linked to the construction of the Zipingpu Dam


I was not kidding. I was serious when I posted about the earthquakes correlating to the great number of dams being constructed especially in China. The number and size of dams in one area adds a lot of weight in one spot that has to have an impact on the spin of the earth.

Once again, I am very serious in posting this.

 

[Lulav]

Yet another common catastrophist theme has to do with causing the Earth's axis to shift somehow. When I mention continental drift to non-scientists, I often am asked if having the continents all together as they were 200 million years ago might have unbalanced the Earth. Surprisingly, the Earth's continents are closely bunched now. If you look down on Paris on a globe, you will see a hemisphere containing most of the Earth's land. If you look down on the opposite point on the globe (southeast of New Zealand), you will see a hemisphere almost entirely covered by ocean. The Earth is very asymmetrical - in fact there is very little land on earth diametrically opposite other land - but a second surprising point is that the distribution of continents and oceans has almost no effect on the balance of the Earth.

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[yedida]

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Earthquakes Triggered by Dams | International Rivers

Earthquakes can be induced by dams. Globally, there are over 100 identified cases of earthquakes that scientists believe were triggered by reservoirs (see Gupta 2002). The most serious case may be the 7.9-magnitude Sichuan earthquake in May 2008, which killed an estimated 80,000 people and has been linked to the construction of the Zipingpu Dam


I was not kidding. I was serious when I posted about the earthquakes correlating to the great number of dams being constructed especially in China. The number and size of dams in one area adds a lot of weight in one spot that has to have an impact on the spin of the earth.

Once again, I am very serious in posting this.

We weren't making fun of your post. At least I wasn't. I was trying to lighten a dour mood on something we can't do anything about. We can't fight it, we can't flight it, so we laugh in the face of the giant and go on living. Sorry, if you were offended, that was not the intention.

 

[INTJ-F]

Yet another common catastrophist theme has to do with causing the Earth's axis to shift somehow. When I mention continental drift to non-scientists, I often am asked if having the continents all together as they were 200 million years ago might have unbalanced the Earth. Surprisingly, the Earth's continents are closely bunched now. If you look down on Paris on a globe, you will see a hemisphere containing most of the Earth's land. If you look down on the opposite point on the globe (southeast of New Zealand), you will see a hemisphere almost entirely covered by ocean. The Earth is very asymmetrical - in fact there is very little land on earth diametrically opposite other land - but a second surprising point is that the distribution of continents and oceans has almost no effect on the balance of the Earth.

Totally wrong.

Water weighs more than land. Land mass grouped together is counter weighted by the water on the other side. The earth was balanced although because man, by creating dams or by changing that balance, created an imbalanced earth. You add that much water weight to a small area, by law of physics, it has to affect the spin of the earth. It is because of the balance of the earth that the continents are still fairly bunched together
http://www.uwgb.edu/dutchs/pseudosc/flipaxis.htm

 

[INTJ-F]

We weren't making fun of your post. At least I wasn't. I was trying to lighten a dour mood on something we can't do anything about. We can't fight it, we can't flight it, so we laugh in the face of the giant and go on living. Sorry, if you were offended, that was not the intention.

As an INTJ, I don't get offended (at least not easily) It was obvious people thought I was kidding while I was serious and trying to add to the conversation.

Even smaller dams have caused earthquakes (most minor) and adding that much weight in a world that was fairly balanced is creating a lot of problems. The Three Gorges Dam was very controversial due to the seismic risk before it was built and it is very controversial now not only because of the seismic risk but because of many severe problems it is causing.

 

[yedida]

Where is that a law?!?!?!

Yep, Dana Point, Ca. A while back I had a thread going bringing up strange and stupid laws still on the books to lighten up the mood a bit. I love those things, they are sooo funny!!!

Sorry for the short derail, back to the OP!!

 

[aniello]

Totally wrong.

Water weighs more than land. Land mass grouped together is counter weighted by the water on the other side. The earth was balanced although because man, by creating dams or by changing that balance, created an imbalanced earth. You add that much water weight to a small area, by law of physics, it has to affect the spin of the earth. It is because of the balance of the earth that the continents are still fairly bunched together

With all due respect, my primary degree was mechanical engineering, before law school.

The following from the CRC Math/Physics handbook and A.S.C.E. sources, of which there are many.

Water at STP is 62.37 pounds per cubic foot.

Dirt(on a world wide average) is approximately 120 pounds per cubic foot.

It is opposite of what you said. Known for centuries, whether in Metric, Imperial or whatever standard units one would want.

 

[Lulav]

Totally wrong.

Water weighs more than land. Land mass grouped together is counter weighted by the water on the other side. The earth was balanced although because man, by creating dams or by changing that balance, created an imbalanced earth. You add that much water weight to a small area, by law of physics, it has to affect the spin of the earth. It is because of the balance of the earth that the continents are still fairly bunched together

You can take your argument to the Professor that wrote that. His name is Steven Dutch and he is the Professor of Natural and Applied Sciences at the Uni of Wisconsin, besides other degrees he has a Doctorate from Columbia U.

You can contact him through the University and I'm sure he will be interested in your take on this. Unless he is a feeler.

www.uwgb.edu

 

[Lulav]

With all due respect, my primary degree was mechanical engineering, before law school.

The following from the CRC Math/Physics handbook and A.S.C.E. sources, of which there are many.

Water at STP is 62.37 pounds per cubic foot.

Dirt(on a world wide average) is approximately 120 pounds per cubic foot.

It is opposite of what you said. Known for centuries, whether in Metric, Imperial or whatever standard units one would want.

Not only that but the prof offers this:

The Earth is very asymmetrical - in fact there is very little land on earth diametrically opposite other land - but a second surprising point is that the distribution of continents and oceans has almost no effect on the balance of the Earth.

First of all, the crust is only 1/300 of the Earth's mass, and second, recall that the crust 'floats' on the plastic mantle.


Continental crust is thick and high, but it's light.

Oceanic crust is thin and low, but it's dense.

This buoyant effect, called isostasy, in effect makes the Earth self-balancing.

 

[yedida]

Is the Great Creator going to create something that just a few of His not so bright creatures can so easily destroy? I don't think so. We may cause a few upheavals but in the end I'm sure He's got it covered.

 

[visionary]

A or H bombs come to mind.

 

[yedida]

A or H bombs come to mind.

Ah, he'd just send a meteor or something to take the hits.
Or, like I said, we may cause a few upheavals, but if He's got an end to this world, then that's what will happen, either by man's hand or by His, but He's in control if this place is His.

 

[visionary]

Ah, he'd just send a meteor or something to take the hits.
Or, like I said, we may cause a few upheavals, but if He's got an end to this world, then that's what will happen, either by man's hand or by His, but He's in control if this place is His.

Absolutely... reminds me of Daniel's vision where the stone made without hands hits the feet....

 

[INTJ-F]

Thousands of "scientists" have PhD's and believe in evolution - that does not make them right.

Dam up water in an area of the earth that never had that much water and you get earthquakes and an imbalance which will cause a chance in spin of the earth. Three Gorges dam, as well as other dams, have submerged areas where there was no earth so the claim "dirt weighs more than water" in debunking what I stated is nothing more than lunacy. The water behind the dam is on top of the earth and is not replacing dirt. It is an addition and not a replacement.

I'm through with this forum.

 

[INTJ-F]

Three Gorges Dam and the Earth’s Rotation

Three Gorges Dam and the Earth’s Rotation


The Myth: The filling of the reservoir behind Three Gorges Dam in China changed the rotation of the Earth.


The Evidence: Three Gorges Dam, China crosses the Yangtze River in Hubei province, China. It the world’s largest hydroelectric power station by total capacity, which will be 22,500 MW when completed. When the water level is maximum at 175 meters (574 ft) over sea level (91 meters (299 ft) above river level), the reservoir created by the dam is about 660 kilometers (410 mi) in length and 1.12 kilometers (0.70 mi) in width on average. The total surface area of the reservoir is 1045 square kilometers, and it will will flood a total area of 632 square kilometers, of land. The reservoir will contain about 39.3 cu km (9.43 cubic miles) of water. That water will weigh more than 39 trillion kilograms (42 billion tons).


A shift in a mass of that size would affect the rotation of the Earth due to a phenomena known as the moment of inertia, which is the inertia of a rigid rotating body with respect to its rotation. The moment of inertia of an object about a given axis describes how difficult it is to change its angular motion about that axis. The longer the distance of a mass to its axis of rotation, the slower it will spin. You may not know it, but you see examples of this in everyday life. For example, a figure skater attempting to spin faster will draw her arms tight to her bodies, and thereby reduce her moment of inertia. Similarly, a diver attempting to somersault faster will bring his body into a tucked position.


Raising 39 trillion kilograms of water 175 meters above sea level will increase the Earth’s moment of inertia and thus slow its rotation. However, the effect would extremely small. NASA scientists calculated that shift of such as mass would increase the length of day by only 0.06 microseconds and make the Earth only very slightly more round in the middle and flat on the top. It would shift the pole position by about two centimeters (0.8 inch). Note that a shift in any object’s mass on the Earth relative to its axis of rotation will change its moment of inertia, although most shifts are too small to be measured (but they can be calculated).


The Verdict: True.

 

[yedida]

Thousands of "scientists" have PhD's and believe in evolution - that does not make them right.

Dam up water in an area of the earth that never had that much water and you get earthquakes and an imbalance which will cause a chance in spin of the earth. Three Gorges dam, as well as other dams, have submerged areas where there was no earth so the claim "dirt weighs more than water" in debunking what I stated is nothing more than lunacy. The water behind the dam is on top of the earth and is not replacing dirt. It is an addition and not a replacement.

I'm through with this forum.

For being a "thinker," a bit touchy aren't you?

 

[aniello]

For being a "thinker," a bit touchy aren't you?

Feelings may well be imminent if not already manifested, encouraging? Che non? Si!

Now to the solution of this impending dammed problem, the Chinese reservoirs.

We, here in Amerika, must immediately drain the Great Lakes. True it will blow Monreal, Canada to heck and gone but this is serious. Then we close the locks, build a new huge lock at the Atlantic end of the St. Lawrence Waterway and fill the whole system, from Duluth, MN to the Atlantic with Mercury(Hg) which has a specific gravity of 13.6 times that of water. This should counter balance anything. Of course the shrimp, oysters, lobster and catfish and the other sea-treif will be loaded with the stuff, but ya gotta go with sumthin'. It's alimentary. Counter balancing forces is the only way I feel that I think it will work being that I feel it will work I think. I feel flatulent I think. Lousey Kansas feedlot cows! Methane gas everywhere, don't light up. Poof!

As long as the earth's omega(rotational velocity) doesn't exceed 1 revolution per 24 hours, or so, we should be ok. I think, well, I feel it's ok. But ya never know.

Ooooooooo. Gotta run.

Recorda questo, 'Bevete piu latte'(song from La Dolce Vita).

Nessun dorma, questa notta?

Chow. Down? Mangia, mangia. Lo piacce?

 

[yonah_mishael]

Thousands of "scientists" have PhD's and believe in evolution - that does not make them right.

It doesn't make them right. History and science itself make them right. But this isn't the place to debate it, is it?

I'm through with this forum.

Are you sure?

 

[visionary]

<snip>....

As long as the earth's omega(rotational velocity) doesn't exceed 1 revolution per 24 hours, or so, we should be ok. I think, well, I feel it's ok. But ya never know.

Ooooooooo. Gotta run.

Recorda questo, 'Bevete piu latte'(song from La Dolce Vita).

Nessun dorma, questa notta?

Chow. Down? Mangia, mangia. Lo piacce?

The reason for adding a leap second is that the planet does not rotate exactly once every 24 hours (86,400 seconds). The rotation actually takes 86,400.002 seconds so that each day this little difference builds up between the atomic clock and the earth's rotation... so do you still think we are ok???