Is it a sin for a Christian to enjoy, watch, and partcipate in combat sports (Boxing, MMA, etc)?
Is it a sin for a Christian to enjoy, watch, and partcipate in combat sports (Boxing, MMA, etc)?
Is it a sin for a Christian to enjoy, watch, and partcipate in combat sports (Boxing, MMA, etc)?
I think you should be mindful of the energy being projected. Hitting another person for no real reason doesn't seem very positive.
God bless
Is it a sin for a Christian to enjoy, watch, and partcipate in combat sports (Boxing, MMA, etc)?
Insightful. Thing is, competition makes us better. Sport provides both a legal venue and one with "rules" which mitigate most injuries. Joint locks used in combat to disable an opponent's limb become submission holds & tapouts. Sport needs an audience, the motivation. . . the reason little kids feel let down when their parents don't show for little league. Every sport needs an audience.Enjoying contact sports? Probably a sin - at least infraction. For starters, MMA and boxing is a blood sport. In fact, most sports go back to some form of ancient ritual sacrifice. People would, for example, gather in a stadium, scream and shout, and watch two people fight to the death. MMA/Boxing may not always be "to the death," not is its intention. However, it is still a blood sport. I don't think any contact sport should be supported through money or view, given that it hurts people.
See above, we need our audience. In part it assures a gentleman's match stays in the agreed upon rules & people like Mike Tyson biting ears gets talked about for years. Nobody wants that kind of shame & witnesses help keep the rules.Watch contact sports? See above. Even street fights are "funding" pain if it just means people's "energy" they give to the fighters in terms of cheers, anger, laughter, etc.
Participates in contact/combat sports? Depends. Everyone should know a martial art - whether it mean just knowing how to throw a punch, to high level formalized martial arts and gymnastics. In order to really be fair in training to become better, we must spar with other people. Some people get their training from regular brawls, others get it from trusted friends/partners in the same discipline. Moreover, to be able to spar with someone and be effective, yet not use 100% of your maximum power is key to healthy sparing. You can learn a lot from people with whom you fight/spar. If someone's technique is impeccable, but s/he is obviously not trying to harm you, you can probably deduce that that person is patient, caring and amiable in life.
The body is a temple; will beating someone to a pulp outweigh the benefits of training to get better? Will taking a head-on tackle and suffering a broken neck outweigh the benefits of physical training of football?
Insightful. Thing is, competition makes us better. Sport provides both a legal venue and one with "rules" which mitigate most injuries. Joint locks used in combat to disable an opponent's limb become submission holds & tapouts. Sport needs an audience, the motivation. . . the reason little kids feel let down when their parents don't show for little league. Every sport needs an audience.
See above, we need our audience. In part it assures a gentleman's match stays in the agreed upon rules & people like Mike Tyson biting ears gets talked about for years. Nobody wants that kind of shame & witnesses help keep the rules.
Yesterday I asked them not to rape that girl & I did it after I put 240 grn at 1800 fps right next to their skull bone. Yesterday was a few years ago, but it is all freshy in my world view.Today, people are jumping
Thank you. weighted clothing is one thing, convicts with "prison muscle" as sparring partners is different, stakes are different, risks including blood borne pathogens are different, feel me?W.R.T.an audience, I was highlighting the history of why audiences existed for blood sport in the first place. I agree competition can be good, but to say that may be the latent capitalist/carnal/survival mentality. I am a technical MMA (Muay Thai, Skotokan-ryu, Tae Kwon Do,) but I spar with my partners to improve technique; I train and wear weighted clothing to improve my speed and strength. My sparring partners never drew blood (but I did hurt one of them which was traumatic.)
That can happen for people who don't know their limits . . .I do not see restraint in MMA, or boxing, in the same way one would be afforded the luxury of sparring.
People that don't know when to tap, sure, they pay a price for that. Depends on how far you are willing to go, there is a fork in the road between gladiatorial showman and warrior. A warrior will never get the ratings & a showman will never survive the real. Showman that try to get real end up brain damaged & warriors that try for ratings end up in a fixed fight. People choose. People that choose one way and try to play the other end up victims.MMA fighters end up brain damaged, with broken limbs, concussions, and other injuries. It is the same with boxing, and you can almost guarantee that s/he will have noticeable neurological problems in the future.
not really, no. They want to see themselves as the good guy. Yeah they need villains but they live the "right" they aren't willing to do in the real through their heroes.People tend to go to these blood sport matches to see somethig like what Tyson did. It is the same reason why they go to Nascar events, or air shows, or even watch trash Reality TV: they want to see the drama, gore, blood, and explosions. And, when enough people exert that negative energy, the people will tend to do the same thing (Mob Mentality/groupthink.)
quote[In sport .. . beating to a pulp is overstatement. I won't say I haven't dripped blood into an opponent's eye (while holding it open) & worried about having accidentally killed him, some unorganized contest. . . . but beating to a pulp to me, means fractures that have been pounded on, ruptured lungs and dislocations . . . that doesn't happen in organized sport & most street fights don't even go that far. But yeah, the rest of what you said about sparring partners was right on.
The first time I counted on that I got -I remember when people would stop fiighting once the "winner" sees s/he is unable to battle, or has passed out.
Why I only won that fight because after the ribs on my left side had been pulverized I spewed blood in the face of the one holding me down and I got up and finished it. Yeah I had clearly lost and collapsed a lung but you hit a few people in the throat and take a few eyes and ya get to limp away.Today, people jump one person vs five, people kick the victims in the head and ribs after they have clearly lost.
Or we have been in the "drift off and go to sleep" or live. Me? All knife scarred and bullet holed, joint damage and all that jazz. It isn't about adrenaline, it is about making sure I am better than last war. Last war hurt more than I wanted it to, what do I have to do?Many of us abdicate our restraint in exchange for the raw feeling of adrenaline.
Thanks man. Dana White and all that jazz is the cleaner, more respectable side of my real. Man, I wish I could do it just for sport. .. .Organized, or unorganized, blood sports are a revamp of evil ritual sacrifice that has been white-washed. Who are these people breaking bones for, or losing a pint of blood in a fight? Dana White? I just cant get down with blood sports but I respect your position.
Its a flesh based activity and should be avoided.
God Bless
WHAT? Give us some basis in scripture for that. Please.
Guess married couples shouldn't have children, guess making an honest living is out too. . . Bizarre. . .
Yeah though your quote is hopelessly unrelated to your point, I shall fear no actual context, for there is no Scriptural support for your point. Seriously though, if you read Romans 8, that verse isn't condemning people who work with their hands. Sorry. Paul may have been busting out some Platonism, but he also wrote I Thessalonians 4:11 & 12.Sure.
Romans8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
Again, you miss the mark. You left out this list:Galatians 5:17 For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.
So what jobs are okay for real Christians, if flesh based (manual labor, physically intense) jobs are forbidden & where in Scripture are warriors condemned for their occupation?No. Your confusing a flesh based sport with the necessity of earning a living
It is okay, your arguments aren't supported by the Scriptures you have sighted and the thick vein of Platonism in your posts makes you sound something not so much arrogant as . . . . misinformed.Im sorry if Im coming across as arrogant here but I really dont feel that hitting eachother in front of a crowd is what Jesus would bless.
When it is time to pay the mortgage, whatever occupation one has transitions from hobby to necessity.The Jesus who Im reading about in the Bible would not encourage unnecessary violence(and it is violence).
So is banking, public school teaching, nursing, being a librarian, politician, salesperson, manager, etc. I don't know man, it sounds like you are putting anybody not having holy orders (priests, nuns, monks) on blast & that isn't right. Not everybody can be a monk, some people need to exercise their Christian walks outside the monastery.So sugar coat it all you like, its a secular based activity and 'worldly', all the things we're encouraged to avoid.
God Bless