Col 2:16 is about not judging others

[SabbathBlessings]

I am talking about the letter to Galatians, so in your reactions, react to the letter to Galatians. Quoting dozens of verses from different contexts is not useful.

Because scripture interprets scripture and all of the scripture is God's Word. When we try to use our own interpretations on scripture that's when things can go very wrong. Proverbs 3:5-6


2 Tim 3:16 All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness,

 

[Leaf473]

Instead of taking verses out of their context, take your time to read the letter to Galatians and see if you agree with the extract and if not, why not. If you do, then how is it compatible with your theology that Gentiles are to keep the Old Testament.

Its not a long book, you should be able to read it in full in quite a short time.

That's one of the bummers about humans adding the chapters in the 1200s and verses in the 1500s. It's easy to get the impression that verses are discrete units.

Bible Gateway passage: Song of Solomon 4:14-16 - New King James Version

Spikenard and saffron, Calamus and cinnamon, With all trees of frankincense, Myrrh and aloes, With all the chief spices— A fountain of gardens, A well of living waters, And streams from Lebanon. The Shulamite Awake, O north wind, And come, O south! Blow upon my garden, That its spices may flow...

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[Leaf473]

So faith in one chapter means something completely different in another? I can see why scriptures can be confusing to some.

The same word can mean different things in different places, yes.

Strong's Greek: 4102. πίστις (pistis) -- Faith, belief, trust, confidence, fidelity

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[SabbathBlessings]

The same word can mean different things in different places, yes.

Strong's Greek: 4102. πίστις (pistis) -- Faith, belief, trust, confidence, fidelity

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The context of what we are speaking of is righteousness by faith- is it your assertion it means different things in different areas of scripture?

 

[Leaf473]

The context of what we are speaking of is righteousness by faith- is it your assertion it means different things in different areas of scripture?

It looked to me like the context was whether individual verses needed to be cited when talking about the meaning of a large passage.

The phrase "righteousness by faith" doesn't occur in the very literal World English Bible. But sure, there probably are translations that use the phrase in more than one place to mean the same thing

BibleGateway - Keyword Search: Righteousness by faith

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[trophy33]

When someone makes a claim and says it's in scripture, it's up to that person to find the scripture to support their case.

Only if you do not know that its there. But Galatians are quite frequently read, so it should not be the case that, those points I extracted, are not well known to common Bible readers and, I suppose, to you (considering you are active in Sabbath arguing for years, its almost certain you have been hearing those points frequently).

Its the letter as such that interests me regarding the compatibility with your theology, the main, basic points of the letter. Single verses can be always bent according to ones wishes.

 

[trophy33]

Because scripture interprets scripture and all of the scripture is God's Word. When we try to use our own interpretations on scripture that's when things can go very wrong. Proverbs 3:5-6


2 Tim 3:16 All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness,

The context interprets Scripture.

Thats why your posts with dozen of single verses taken from all over the place and put together are not a good interpretation - because you always leave out their context.

And when Paul said that all scripture is God-breathed, he did not mean that we can compose single verses from it together at will. He meant the whole of scripture - singular is inspired.

 

[trophy33]

That's one of the bummers about humans adding the chapters in the 1200s and verses in the 1500s. It's easy to get the impression that verses are discrete units.

Bible Gateway passage: Song of Solomon 4:14-16 - New King James Version

Spikenard and saffron, Calamus and cinnamon, With all trees of frankincense, Myrrh and aloes, With all the chief spices— A fountain of gardens, A well of living waters, And streams from Lebanon. The Shulamite Awake, O north wind, And come, O south! Blow upon my garden, That its spices may flow...

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I understand they did it for easier orientation. But some Bible prints even put every verse on a single line and that really creates the impression that those are some independent general statements.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Only if you do not know that its there.

I don't believe your statements are in the book of Galatians and since you won't post scriptures to back your statements, I think we both know they are not there.

But Galatians are quite frequently read, so it should not be the case that, those points I extracted, are not well known to common Bible readers and, I suppose, to you (considering you are active in Sabbath arguing for years, its almost certain you have been hearing those points frequently).

Its the letter as such that interests me regarding the compatibility with your theology, the main, basic points of the letter. Single verses can be always bent according to ones wishes.

All of God's Word can be bent according to one's own will and all of scripture has to reconcile, so when someone makes a doctrine out of one scripture, but it's not compatible with the rest of God's Word that is not following the Word of God. The devil quoted scripture out of context so we should be earnestly looking at the scriptures, asking guidance from the Holy Spirit and be able to be corrected when wrong because our truth does not matter, what matters is only God's Truth. Many people misunderstand and misinterpret Paul's writings to their own destruction there is even a warning about it in scripture 2 Peter 3:16 and Paul reminds us, what matters is keeping the commandments of God 1 Cor 7:19 and Paul does not contradict himself, Jesus or God.

Anway, if you want to talk scripture, please post the scriptures to back your assertions, otherwise I am going to bow out and leave it as I wish you well in seeking the Truth of God's Word.

 

[trophy33]

I don't believe your statements are in the book of Galatians

You really do not know that its there? I find it hard to believe. Or dont you just want to take your time to read the book for yourself?


O foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you? Before your very eyes Jesus Christ was clearly portrayed as crucified. I would like to learn just one thing from you: Did you receive the Spirit by works of the law, or by hearing with faith?

Are you so foolish? After starting in the Spirit, are you now finishing in the flesh? Have you suffered so much for nothing, if it really was for nothing? Does God lavish His Spirit on you and work miracles among you because you practice the law, or because you hear and believe?

So also, “Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness.” Understand, then, that those who have faith are sons of Abraham. The Scripture foresaw that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, and foretold the gospel to Abraham: “All nations will be blessed through you.” So those who have faith are blessed along with Abraham, the man of faith.

All who rely on works of the law are under a curse. For it is written: “Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law.” Now it is clear that no one is justified before God by the law, because, “The righteous will live by faith.” The law, however, is not based on faith; on the contrary, “The man who does these things will live by them.”

Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us. For it is written: “Cursed is everyone who is hung on a tree.” He redeemed us in order that the blessing promised to Abraham would come to the Gentiles in Christ Jesus, so that by faith we might receive the promise of the Spirit.

Brothers, let me put this in human terms. Even a human covenant, once it is ratified, cannot be canceled or amended. The promises were spoken to Abraham and to his seed. The Scripture does not say, “and to seeds,” meaning many, but “and to your seed,” meaning One, who is Christ.

What I mean is this: The law that came 430 years later does not revoke the covenant previously established by God, so as to nullify the promise. For if the inheritance depends on the law, then it no longer depends on a promise; but God freely granted it to Abraham through a promise.

Why then was the law given? It was added because of transgressions, until the arrival of the seed to whom the promise referred. It was administered through angels by a mediator. A mediator is unnecessary, however, for only one party; but God is one.

Is the law, then, opposed to the promises of God? Certainly not! For if a law had been given that could impart life, then righteousness would certainly have come from the law. But the Scripture pronounces all things confined by sin, so that by faith in Jesus Christ the promise might be given to those who believe.

Before this faith came, we were held in custody under the law, locked up until faith should be revealed. So the law became our guardian to lead us to Christ, that we might be justified by faith. Now that faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian...

...What I am saying is that as long as the heir is a child, he is no different from a slave, although he is the owner of everything. He is subject to guardians and trustees until the date set by his father.

So also, when we were children, we were enslaved under the basic principles of the world. But when the time had fully come, God sent His Son, born of a woman, born under the law, to redeem those under the law, that we might receive our adoption as sons. And because you are sons, God sent the Spirit of His Son into our hearts, crying out, “Abba, Father!” So you are no longer a slave, but a son; and since you are a son, you are also an heir through God.

Formerly, when you did not know God, you were slaves to those who by nature are not gods. But now that you know God, or rather are known by God, how is it that you are turning back to those weak and worthless principles? Do you wish to be enslaved by them all over again? You are observing special days and months and seasons and years! I fear for you, that my efforts for you may have been in vain...

...Tell me, you who want to be under the law, do you not understand what the law says? For it is written that Abraham had two sons, one by the slave woman and the other by the free woman. His son by the slave woman was born according to the flesh, but his son by the free woman was born through the promise.

These things serve as illustrations, for the women represent two covenants. One covenant is from Mount Sinai and bears children into slavery: This is Hagar. Now Hagar stands for Mount Sinai in Arabia and corresponds to the present-day Jerusalem, because she is in slavery with her children. But the Jerusalem above is free, and she is our mother...

Now you, brothers, like Isaac, are children of promise. At that time, however, the son born by the flesh persecuted the son born by the Spirit. It is the same now.

But what does the Scripture say? “Expel the slave woman and her son, for the slave woman’s son will never share in the inheritance with the free woman’s son.” Therefore, brothers, we are not children of the slave woman, but of the free woman.

Translation: BSB

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Its absolutely clear that Christians are not invited to share in the slavery of the Law with Jews, but to be free in the faith. This is the promise made to Abraham (long before the temporary Mosaic Law was added to close Israel under sin).

To say it in another way, Christians are not put into the slavery of the Mosaic Covenant, but into the freedom of the older and original Abrahamic Covenant/promise.

 

[HIM]

You really do not know that its there? I find it hard to believe. Or dont you just want to take your time to read the book for yourself?


O foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you? Before your very eyes Jesus Christ was clearly portrayed as crucified. I would like to learn just one thing from you: Did you receive the Spirit by works of the law, or by hearing with faith?

Are you so foolish? After starting in the Spirit, are you now finishing in the flesh? Have you suffered so much for nothing, if it really was for nothing? Does God lavish His Spirit on you and work miracles among you because you practice the law, or because you hear and believe?


Translation: BSB

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This BSB, what is it? The Berean Study Bible? I pray you are using something else mainly and are not relying on it. They are a paraphrase Regardless whether they say they are a translation. And from just these few text, not a very good one.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

You really do not know that its there? I find it hard to believe. Or dont you just want to take your time to read the book for yourself?


O foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you? Before your very eyes Jesus Christ was clearly portrayed as crucified. I would like to learn just one thing from you: Did you receive the Spirit by works of the law, or by hearing with faith?

Are you so foolish? After starting in the Spirit, are you now finishing in the flesh? Have you suffered so much for nothing, if it really was for nothing? Does God lavish His Spirit on you and work miracles among you because you practice the law, or because you hear and believe?

So also, “Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness.” Understand, then, that those who have faith are sons of Abraham. The Scripture foresaw that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, and foretold the gospel to Abraham: “All nations will be blessed through you.” So those who have faith are blessed along with Abraham, the man of faith.

Abraham did believe and it was counted to him for righteousness. Gal 3:6

Belief in God is obedience to Him. How does someone who believes and has faith live?

Genesis 26:5 Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.

All who rely on works of the law are under a curse. For it is written: “Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law.” Now it is clear that no one is justified before God by the law, because, “The righteous will live by faith.” The law, however, is not based on faith; on the contrary, “The man who does these things will live by them.

”Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us. For it is written: “Cursed is everyone who is hung on a tree.” He redeemed us in order that the blessing promised to Abraham would come to the Gentiles in Christ Jesus, so that by faith we might receive the promise of the Spirit.

What is the curse of the law that Jesus came to us save us from?

Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.

Which is what Paul is saying we must have Christ live in us... we must put on Christ

Gal 2:20 I have been crucified with Christ; it is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me; and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself for me.

Gal 3:26 For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus. 27 For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ.

We are to live as Christ lived as He is our example to follow. How did Christ live?

1 Peter 2:21 For to this you were called, because Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that you should follow His steps: 22 “Who committed no sin, Nor was deceit found in His mouth”

Hebrews 4:15 For we do not have a high priest who is unable to empathize with our weaknesses, but we have one who has been tempted in every way, just as we are—yet he did not sin.

John 15:10 If you keep My commandments, you will abide in My love, just as I have kept My Father’s commandments and abide in His love.

What did Christ what to free us from? The law of flesh (sin) those who walk in the flesh are a slave to sin.

Jesus answered them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, whoever commits sin is a slave of sin. John 8:34.

Paul puts it this way...

Romans 6:16 Don’t you know that when you offer yourselves to someone as obedient slaves, you are slaves of the one you obey—whether you are slaves to sin, which leads to death, or to obedience, which leads to righteousness?

Jesus wants to free us from sin- Jesus came to save us from sin Matthew 1:21 not in them so if we are in Christ we are keeping His commandments and laws. The Spirit is given to help us keep the commandments John 14:15-18 and given to those who obey Acts 5:32

Brothers, let me put this in human terms. Even a human covenant, once it is ratified, cannot be canceled or amended. The promises were spoken to Abraham and to his seed. The Scripture does not say, “and to seeds,” meaning many, but “and to your seed,” meaning One, who is Christ.

What I mean is this: The law that came 430 years later does not revoke the covenant previously established by God, so as to nullify the promise. For if the inheritance depends on the law, then it no longer depends on a promise; but God freely granted it to Abraham through a promise.

Why then was the law given? It was added because of transgressions, until the arrival of the seed to whom the promise referred. It was administered through angels by a mediator. A mediator is unnecessary, however, for only one party; but God is one.

Which law? Not all laws are the same?

Neh 9:13 You came down also on Mount Sinai, And spoke with them from heaven, And gave them just ordinances and true laws, Good statutes and commandments.

The Ten Commandments were given before Mt Sinai- Sin is the transgression of the law 1 John 3:4 and Paul points right to the Ten Commandments to define sin Romans 7:7 without law there is no sin Romans 4:15 was it a sin for Cain to murder Abel? If there was no thou shalt not murder given, then it would not be a sin but God said to Cain.....But if you do not do what is right, sin is crouching at your door Genesis 4:7 so obviously the law was given- because the Ten Commandments are God's eternal law. The devil sinned from the beginning meaning He transgressed God's law.

The law that was given until the Seed comes is the animal and ceremonial laws as they all pointed to Jesus who became our Sacrificial Lamb for the forgiveness of sin and sanctification. Sin is breaking God's law Romans 7:7 animal sacrifices were given for the forgiveness of breaking God's law (sin) Now that we are in the New Covenant Jesus took the penalty of sin and we go directly to Him for forgiveness and sanctification of our sins (breaking God's law) when we confess our sins to Him. Jesus can give us victory over sin when we turn from sin and turn to Him for sanctification. The law of God is like a mirror, so we know what not to do, if we are living in Christ, put on Christ we are in complete submission and obedience to His commandments and are without sin through His power.

Its absolutely clear that Christians are not invited to share in the slavery of the Law with Jews, but to be free the faith. This is the promise made to Abraham (long before the temporary law was added to close Israel under sin).

To say it in another way, Christians are not put into the Mosaic Covenant, but into the older and original Abrahamic Covenant/promise.

Which law are you trying to say you don't need to keep that Abraham didn't keep. Are you referring to the Ten Commandments where you are free to worship other gods, bow to false images and vain God's holy name, steal covet and lie? Are these the laws you are claiming Abrahm never kept and freed you from?

As I stated previously, we are not justified by the law, we are not saved by the law- we are only saved by the blood of Jesus Christ. Those who are saved live differently than those who are not. Those who have faith upload the law of God Romans 3:31 not to be saved but because one is saved and lives differently than the lost.

This is how the saints (saved) live according to scripture:

Revelation 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints; here are those who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus.

 

[Leaf473]

I understand they did it for easier orientation. But some Bible prints even put every verse on a single line and that really creates the impression that those are some independent general statements.

I was once talking with a Mormon gentleman online and he was saying that the Joseph Smith Translation was better because it made sense out of Genesis 2:5. What he didn't understand and I was trying to explain was that verse 5 was a continuation of the sentence that started in verse 4. But since the KJV capitalizes the beginning of each verse like poetry, it looks like verse 5 should stand alone. But of course it doesn't

Bible Gateway passage: Genesis 2:4-5 - King James Version

These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens, And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the LORD God had not caused it to rain upon the...

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Anyways, back to the thread topic.

 

[Leaf473]

Abraham did believe and it was counted to him for righteousness. Gal 3:6

Belief in God is obedience to Him. How does someone who believes and has faith live?

Genesis 26:5 Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.





What is the curse of the law that Jesus came to us save us from?

Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.

Which is what Paul is saying we must have Christ live in us... we must put on Christ

Gal 2:20 I have been crucified with Christ; it is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me; and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself for me.

Gal 3:26 For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus. 27 For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ.

We are to live as Christ lived as He is our example to follow. How did Christ live?

1 Peter 2:21 For to this you were called, because Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that you should follow His steps: 22 “Who committed no sin, Nor was deceit found in His mouth”

Hebrews 4:15 For we do not have a high priest who is unable to empathize with our weaknesses, but we have one who has been tempted in every way, just as we are—yet he did not sin.

John 15:10 If you keep My commandments, you will abide in My love, just as I have kept My Father’s commandments and abide in His love.

What did Christ what to free us from? The law of flesh (sin) those who walk in the flesh are a slave to sin.

Jesus answered them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, whoever commits sin is a slave of sin. John 8:34.

Paul puts it this way...

Romans 6:16 Don’t you know that when you offer yourselves to someone as obedient slaves, you are slaves of the one you obey—whether you are slaves to sin, which leads to death, or to obedience, which leads to righteousness?

Jesus wants to free us from sin- Jesus came to save us from sin Matthew 1:21 not in them so if we are in Christ we are keeping His commandments and laws. The Spirit is given to help us keep the commandments John 14:15-18 and given to those who obey Acts 5:32

Which law? Not all laws are the same?

Neh 9:13 You came down also on Mount Sinai, And spoke with them from heaven, And gave them just ordinances and true laws, Good statutes and commandments.

Are you saying just keep the commandments, but not the statutes, ordinances, and laws? Or keep the commandments and statutes, but not the other two? Some other combination?

The Ten Commandments were given before Mt Sinai- Sin is the transgression of the law 1 John 3:4 and Paul points right to the Ten Commandments to define sin Romans 7:7 without law there is no sin Romans 4:15 was it a sin for Cain to murder Abel? If there was no thou shalt not murder given, then it would not be a sin but God said to Cain.....But if you do not do what is right, sin is crouching at your door Genesis 4:7 so obviously the law was given- because the Ten Commandments are God's eternal law. The devil sinned from the beginning meaning He transgressed God's law.

The law that was given until the Seed comes is the animal and ceremonial laws as they all pointed to Jesus who became our Sacrificial Lamb for the forgiveness of sin and sanctification. Sin is breaking God's law Romans 7:7 animal sacrifices were given for the forgiveness of breaking God's law (sin) Now that we are in the New Covenant Jesus took the penalty of sin and we go directly to Him for forgiveness and sanctification of our sins (breaking God's law) when we confess our sins to Him. Jesus can give us victory over sin when we turn from sin and turn to Him for sanctification. The law of God is like a mirror, so we know what not to do, if we are living in Christ, put on Christ we are in complete submission and obedience to His commandments and are without sin through His power.



Which law are you trying to say you don't need to keep that Abraham didn't keep. Are you referring to the Ten Commandments where you are free to worship other gods, bow to false images and vain God's holy name, steal covet and lie? Are these the laws you are claiming Abrahm never kept and freed you from?

As I stated previously, we are not justified by the law, we are not saved by the law- we are only saved by the blood of Jesus Christ. Those who are saved live differently than those who are not. Those who have faith upload the law of God Romans 3:31 not to be saved but because one is saved and lives differently than the lost.

This is how the saints (saved) live according to scripture:

Revelation 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints; here are those who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Are you saying just keep the commandments, but not the statutes, ordinances, and laws? Or keep the commandments and statutes, but not the other two? Some other combination?

I am not saying anything, scripture states which laws point to Jesus who became our Sacrifice for sins. Col 2:14 Hebrews 10:1-10 sin is defined by breaking God's law Romans 7:7 and I don't have the mindset of wanting to disprove the law of God or that we are free to sin.

If you can please respect my wishes not to discuss God's law further with you, three years is long enough and as scripture says, sometimes you need to wipe the dust from your feet. I wish you well in seeking the Truth to His Word.

 

[Leaf473]

A thing I've noticed about partial law theology is that it lacks details about which laws are actually kept.

Paul's words sound harsh here, but I post them with love. They just seem to be the most fitting.

Bible Gateway passage: Galatians 4:21 - New International Reader's Version

Hagar and Sarah - You who want to be under the authority of the law, tell me something. Don’t you know what the law says?

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[trophy33]

This BSB, what is it? The Berean Study Bible? I pray you are using something else mainly and are not relying on it. They are a paraphrase Regardless whether they say they are a translation. And from just these few text, not a very good one.

Yes, Berean Study Bible.

Its not a paraphrase, its in the middle between literal and dynamic translations, therefore good for longer readings, when you do not want to get stuck in every sentence and fall into various individual misunderstandings, because the literal translation of the Greek structure and wording is not natural for English readers. Or when you want to get the context instead of arguing over a word.

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[trophy33]

Abraham did believe and it was counted to him for righteousness. Gal 3:6

Belief in God is obedience to Him. How does someone who believes and has faith live?

Genesis 26:5 Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.





What is the curse of the law that Jesus came to us save us from?

Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.

Which is what Paul is saying we must have Christ live in us... we must put on Christ

Gal 2:20 I have been crucified with Christ; it is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me; and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself for me.

Gal 3:26 For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus. 27 For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ.

We are to live as Christ lived as He is our example to follow. How did Christ live?

1 Peter 2:21 For to this you were called, because Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that you should follow His steps: 22 “Who committed no sin, Nor was deceit found in His mouth”

Hebrews 4:15 For we do not have a high priest who is unable to empathize with our weaknesses, but we have one who has been tempted in every way, just as we are—yet he did not sin.

John 15:10 If you keep My commandments, you will abide in My love, just as I have kept My Father’s commandments and abide in His love.

What did Christ what to free us from? The law of flesh (sin) those who walk in the flesh are a slave to sin.

Jesus answered them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, whoever commits sin is a slave of sin. John 8:34.

Paul puts it this way...

Romans 6:16 Don’t you know that when you offer yourselves to someone as obedient slaves, you are slaves of the one you obey—whether you are slaves to sin, which leads to death, or to obedience, which leads to righteousness?

Jesus wants to free us from sin- Jesus came to save us from sin Matthew 1:21 not in them so if we are in Christ we are keeping His commandments and laws. The Spirit is given to help us keep the commandments John 14:15-18 and given to those who obey Acts 5:32



Which law? Not all laws are the same?

Neh 9:13 You came down also on Mount Sinai, And spoke with them from heaven, And gave them just ordinances and true laws, Good statutes and commandments.

The Ten Commandments were given before Mt Sinai- Sin is the transgression of the law 1 John 3:4 and Paul points right to the Ten Commandments to define sin Romans 7:7 without law there is no sin Romans 4:15 was it a sin for Cain to murder Abel? If there was no thou shalt not murder given, then it would not be a sin but God said to Cain.....But if you do not do what is right, sin is crouching at your door Genesis 4:7 so obviously the law was given- because the Ten Commandments are God's eternal law. The devil sinned from the beginning meaning He transgressed God's law.

The law that was given until the Seed comes is the animal and ceremonial laws as they all pointed to Jesus who became our Sacrificial Lamb for the forgiveness of sin and sanctification. Sin is breaking God's law Romans 7:7 animal sacrifices were given for the forgiveness of breaking God's law (sin) Now that we are in the New Covenant Jesus took the penalty of sin and we go directly to Him for forgiveness and sanctification of our sins (breaking God's law) when we confess our sins to Him. Jesus can give us victory over sin when we turn from sin and turn to Him for sanctification. The law of God is like a mirror, so we know what not to do, if we are living in Christ, put on Christ we are in complete submission and obedience to His commandments and are without sin through His power.



Which law are you trying to say you don't need to keep that Abraham didn't keep. Are you referring to the Ten Commandments where you are free to worship other gods, bow to false images and vain God's holy name, steal covet and lie? Are these the laws you are claiming Abrahm never kept and freed you from?

As I stated previously, we are not justified by the law, we are not saved by the law- we are only saved by the blood of Jesus Christ. Those who are saved live differently than those who are not. Those who have faith upload the law of God Romans 3:31 not to be saved but because one is saved and lives differently than the lost.

This is how the saints (saved) live according to scripture:

Revelation 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints; here are those who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus.

You use many random verses and thoughts, so its hard to grasp your main points.

So far, I guess you are saying:
1. We must have Christ living in us and live according to Him
2. He did not sin and was born under the law as a Jew
3. He freed us from sin (but I do not know what is your interpretation of this)
4. Even before the Mosaic Law, breaking basic moral principles like monotheism or not murdering were sins (not sure where you got the idea of exactly the 10 commandments being given before, from)
5. The Mosaic Law was not concentrated around the 10 commandments and that it was only about animal and ceremonial laws? Half of the books of Moses are about laws that are neither ceremonial nor about animals, so I am not sure what you are saying, here.

Only the 4 and 5 seem to be somehow related to my points, but I really do not understand what you are trying to say by them. That the Mosaic Law was the covenant of slavery Paul talks about, but Sabbath is not the part of it? I guess? ... then you talk about the law of flesh, commandments of God, sanctification, faith of Jesus, salvation, some single sentences from Romans, really one big ball of everything.

I am sorry, I do not know what to do with your response. Can you summarize your main points into few sentences? And possibly without verses inserted into it.

 

[trophy33]

A thing I've noticed about partial law theology is that it lacks details about which laws are actually kept.

Paul's words sound harsh here, but I post them with love. They just seem to be the most fitting.

Bible Gateway passage: Galatians 4:21 - New International Reader's Version

Hagar and Sarah - You who want to be under the authority of the law, tell me something. Don’t you know what the law says?

www.biblegateway.com

I personally find their posts very chaotic. Its really hard to retrieve some simple/short, systematic, clear answers from them.

 

[Leaf473]

I personally find their posts very chaotic. Its really hard to retrieve some simple/short, systematic, clear answers from them.

I love everyone here as brothers and sisters in Christ. But Chaotic is a good word, yes.