Col 2:16 is about not judging others

[SabbathBlessings]

Both Exodus and Deuteronomium are books written by people, not by God.

All scripture is God-breathed and the Ten Commandments were written by God’s finger according to Gods Word.

Take care

 

[trophy33]

All scripture is God-breathed and the Ten Commandments were written by God’s finger according to Gods Word.

Take care

The stone you are talking about was almost immediately destroyed by Moses (according to the book of Exodus).

Paul clearly says that Abraham was promised that Gentiles are justified by faith, through his son. The Old Testament was added only as a temporary tool for physical Israel to prepare them for the coming and till the coming of the son of Abraham - Jesus Christ.

After Christ came, Jews are no longer enslaved under the temporary Old Testament and Gentiles are no longer enslaved to false gods. We are all free.

The Letter to Galatians, chapters 2, 3, 4.

Jews misunderstood what freedom is Jesus talking about, they thought He will free them from Romans. But Jesus was talking about their spiritual, religious enslavement. (John 8)

 

[HIM]

. While in the new testament the change is to leave it to others' own conscience, without judging others,

No, God's expressed will concerning things like the Sabbath is done through His Spirit and confirmed through His Word. It is not up to any individuals Conscience.
Like any other issue that results in sin God works on our conscience. If we reject Him we sear our conscience off from His Spirit and it becomes our will that we follow rather than His.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

The stone you are talking about was almost immediately destroyed by Moses (according to the book of Exodus).

Yes, Moses broke the first set of tablets because the people of Israel lost their faith and sinned. But if you keep reading God made an exact copy of the Ten Commandments.

Deut 10:4 And He wrote on the tablets according to the first writing, the Ten Commandments, which the Lord had spoken to you in the mountain from the midst of the fire in the day of the assembly; and the Lord gave them to me.

The original set of the Ten Commandments is in heaven as the earthy temple was an exact replica of God's heavenly Temple where He dwells. Hebrews 9:23-24 Revelation 11:19

To be honest, its head-scratching why people argue against God's holy commandments that God personally wrote, and God spoke Exodus 32:16 and it usually comes down to the one commandment that has to do with our time with God. No one objects to the other nine, even if not keeping, but the one commandment we are supposed to do something- resting in holy communion in Christ for just one full day a week on the day God set aside as sanctified and blessed, how this ever became offensive to man is certainly not a teaching in God's Word but a deception from God's adversary who has counterfeited everything Christ made holy. It's all predicted in God's Word this would happen Daniel 7:25 but sadly just like the days of Noah, not many believed.

Paul clearly says that Abraham was promised that Gentiles are justified by faith, through his son. The Old Testament was added only as a temporary tool for physical Israel to prepare them for the coming and till the coming of the son of Abraham - Jesus Christ.

Keeping the law is a result of faith. Romans 3:31 which is why Abrahma kept God's commandments Genesis 26:5. Sin (breaking God's law) is what separated man from God. It's a mistake to think we can live in sin and be reunited with God when scripture tells us that is not so. Matthew 7:21-23 Revelation 22:14-15. When we place our faith in Jesus, we want to do what He asks of us, it's not a burden, its love. 1 John 5:3. Those who serve sin are the ones in bondage and sadly they don't even realize it. Thats why the commandments are called the law of liberty James 2:10-12

After Christ came, Jews are no longer enslaved under the temporary Old Testament and Gentiles are no longer enslaved to false gods. We are all free.

The Letter to Galatians, chapters 2, 3, 4.

Are you suggesting we are slaves when we only worship the one true God and are slaves when we vain God's holy name, slaves when go out and steal and covet......well you are right those who continue to sin (break God's law) instead of gaining victory over sin (keeping God's law) is a slave to sin and that path leads to condemnation (death), when we are a salve to Christ we live in obedience which leads to righteousness (right-doing) .

Romans 6:16 Do you not know that to whom you present yourselves slaves to obey, you are that one’s slaves whom you obey, whether of sin leading to death, or of obedience leading to righteousness?

All of God's commandments are righteous Psalms 119:172 because God is righteous and when we depend on our version of righteousness - self-laws over God's laws that is not sanctifying. We are only sanctified by the Truth of God's Word John 17:17 and all of God's commandments are Truth Psalms 119:151

Jews misunderstood what freedom is Jesus talking about, they thought He will free them from Romans. But Jesus was talking about their spiritual, religious enslavement. (John 8)

Many misunderstand the teachings of Jesus even when spoken plainly because people insert their will over the will of God. Jesus came to do the will of God John 6:38 God's will is we keep His laws in our hearts and minds Psalms 40:8 Hebrews 8:10 we obey not to be saved but because we are living as a saved person.

Revelation 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints; here are those who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus.

 

[Leaf473]

Yes, Moses broke the first set of tablets because the people of Israel lost their faith and sinned. But if you keep reading God made an exact copy of the Ten Commandments.

Deut 10:4 And He wrote on the tablets according to the first writing, the Ten Commandments, which the Lord had spoken to you in the mountain from the midst of the fire in the day of the assembly; and the Lord gave them to me.

The original set of the Ten Commandments is in heaven as the earthy temple was an exact replica of God's heavenly Temple where He dwells. Hebrews 9:23-24 Revelation 11:19

Ah, I was wondering about that. But... When the original set, which I assume is the second set since Moses broke the first, was on Earth in the ark, then it wasn't in heaven in the ark. But when it went up to heaven (when was that?), then the earthy ark wasn't an exact replica.

Or am I missing something?

To be honest, its head-scratching why people argue against God's holy commandments that God personally wrote, and God spoke Exodus 32:16 and it usually comes down to the one commandment that has to do with our time with God.

Do you honestly want to understand? I feel that I understand both approaches, and that they both make sense in their own way

No one objects to the other nine, even if not keeping, but the one commandment we are supposed to do something- resting in holy communion in Christ for just one full day a week on the day God set aside as sanctified and blessed, how this ever became offensive to man is certainly not a teaching in God's Word but a deception from God's adversary who has counterfeited everything Christ made holy. It's all predicted in God's Word this would happen Daniel 7:25 but sadly just like the days of Noah, not many believed.

Keeping the law is a result of faith. Romans 3:31 which is why Abrahma kept God's commandments Genesis 26:5. Sin (breaking God's law) is what separated man from God. It's a mistake to think we can live in sin and be reunited with God when scripture tells us that is not so. Matthew 7:21-23 Revelation 22:14-15. When we place our faith in Jesus, we want to do what He asks of us, it's not a burden, its love. 1 John 5:3. Those who serve sin are the ones in bondage and sadly they don't even realize it. Thats why the commandments are called the law of liberty James 2:10-12

Are you suggesting we are slaves when we only worship the one true God and are slaves when we vain God's holy name, slaves when go out and steal and covet......well you are right those who continue to sin (break God's law) instead of gaining victory over sin (keeping God's law) is a slave to sin and that path leads to condemnation (death), when we are a salve to Christ we live in obedience which leads to righteousness (right-doing) .

Romans 6:16 Do you not know that to whom you present yourselves slaves to obey, you are that one’s slaves whom you obey, whether of sin leading to death, or of obedience leading to righteousness?

All of God's commandments are righteous Psalms 119:172 because God is righteous and when we depend on our version of righteousness - self-laws over God's laws that is not sanctifying. We are only sanctified by the Truth of God's Word John 17:17 and all of God's commandments are Truth Psalms 119:151

Many misunderstand the teachings of Jesus even when spoken plainly because people insert their will over the will of God. Jesus came to do the will of God John 6:38 God's will is we keep His laws in our hearts and minds Psalms 40:8 Hebrews 8:10 we obey not to be saved but because we are living as a saved person.

Revelation 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints; here are those who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Ah, I was wondering about that. But... When the original set, which I assume is the second set since Moses broke the first, was on Earth in the ark, then it wasn't in heaven in the ark. But when it went up to heaven (when was that?), then the earthy ark wasn't an exact replica.

Or am I missing something?

The heavenly temple is not an exact replica of the earthy temple, its the other way around.

 

[Leaf473]

The heavenly temple is not an exact replica of the earthy temple, its the other way around.

Well... Either way, if one has the tablets and the other doesn't, is one still a replica? When did the tablets get placed in the heavenly ark?

If the law of Moses was placed on the outside of the earthly ark, was it also placed on the outside of the heavenly ark?

Bible Gateway passage: Revelation 11:19 - New International Reader's Version

Then God’s temple in heaven was opened. Inside it the wooden chest called the ark of his covenant could be seen. There were flashes of lightning, rumblings and thunder, an earthquake and a severe hailstorm.

www.biblegateway.com

 

[trophy33]

Yes, Moses broke the first set of tablets because the people of Israel lost their faith and sinned. But if you keep reading God made an exact copy of the Ten Commandments.

Deut 10:4 And He wrote on the tablets according to the first writing, the Ten Commandments, which the Lord had spoken to you in the mountain from the midst of the fire in the day of the assembly; and the Lord gave them to me.

The original set of the Ten Commandments is in heaven as the earthy temple was an exact replica of God's heavenly Temple where He dwells. Hebrews 9:23-24 Revelation 11:19

To be honest, its head-scratching why people argue against God's holy commandments that God personally wrote, and God spoke Exodus 32:16 and it usually comes down to the one commandment that has to do with our time with God. No one objects to the other nine, even if not keeping, but the one commandment we are supposed to do something- resting in holy communion in Christ for just one full day a week on the day God set aside as sanctified and blessed, how this ever became offensive to man is certainly not a teaching in God's Word but a deception from God's adversary who has counterfeited everything Christ made holy. It's all predicted in God's Word this would happen Daniel 7:25 but sadly just like the days of Noah, not many believed.

Keeping the law is a result of faith. Romans 3:31 which is why Abrahma kept God's commandments Genesis 26:5. Sin (breaking God's law) is what separated man from God. It's a mistake to think we can live in sin and be reunited with God when scripture tells us that is not so. Matthew 7:21-23 Revelation 22:14-15. When we place our faith in Jesus, we want to do what He asks of us, it's not a burden, its love. 1 John 5:3. Those who serve sin are the ones in bondage and sadly they don't even realize it. Thats why the commandments are called the law of liberty James 2:10-12

Are you suggesting we are slaves when we only worship the one true God and are slaves when we vain God's holy name, slaves when go out and steal and covet......well you are right those who continue to sin (break God's law) instead of gaining victory over sin (keeping God's law) is a slave to sin and that path leads to condemnation (death), when we are a salve to Christ we live in obedience which leads to righteousness (right-doing) .

Romans 6:16 Do you not know that to whom you present yourselves slaves to obey, you are that one’s slaves whom you obey, whether of sin leading to death, or of obedience leading to righteousness?

All of God's commandments are righteous Psalms 119:172 because God is righteous and when we depend on our version of righteousness - self-laws over God's laws that is not sanctifying. We are only sanctified by the Truth of God's Word John 17:17 and all of God's commandments are Truth Psalms 119:151

Many misunderstand the teachings of Jesus even when spoken plainly because people insert their will over the will of God. Jesus came to do the will of God John 6:38 God's will is we keep His laws in our hearts and minds Psalms 40:8 Hebrews 8:10 we obey not to be saved but because we are living as a saved person.

Revelation 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints; here are those who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus.

You did not react to Galatians 2,3,4.

You just posted many other verses from many other places which you think are relevant (I dont). But ignoring the letter to Galatians cannot work.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

You did not react to Galatians 2,3,4.

You just posted many other verses from other places which you think are relevant. But ignoring the letter to Galatians cannot work.

I did address Galatians 2,3,4 sadly many people think Paul contradicts himself, Jesus and God, but that's not the case, just a lot of misunderstandings that lead people down the wrong path.

Righteousness is by faith, not by law-keeping and those who have faith in Jesus Christ uphold His law and obey Him. Romans 3:31 to think we should do the opposite of what Jesus asks, is lack of faith and love 1 John 5:3.

Gal 2: 20 I have been crucified with Christ and I no longer live, but Christ lives in me. The life I now live in the body, I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me.

If we have Christ in us will be sinning and doing unrighteousness? Of course not. Those who walk in flesh are in enmity against God's law, not those walking through His Spirit Romans 8:7

EDITED to say- What area of Galatians do you think is not addressed. I assumed you think righteousness by faith, means law-breaking but if that's not the area you are referring to, its best if you can provide a specific scripture and show through scripture how it is in conflict with the scriptures I provided.

 

[trophy33]

I did address Galatians 2,3,4 sadly many people think Paul contradicts himself, Jesus and God, but that's not the case, just a lot of misunderstandings that lead people down the wrong path.

Righteousness is by faith, not by law-keeping and those who have faith in Jesus Christ uphold His law and obey Him. Romans 3:31 to think we should do the opposite of what Jesus asks, is lack of faith and love 1 John 5:3.

Gal 2: 20 I have been crucified with Christ and I no longer live, but Christ lives in me. The life I now live in the body, I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me.

If we have Christ in us will be sinning and doing unrighteousness? Of course not. Those who walk in flesh are in enmity against God's law, not those walking through His Spirit Romans 8:7

I will repeat the points from the Letter to Galatians once more:

1. Abraham was promised that Gentiles are justified by faith, through his son.
2. The Old Testament was added only as a temporary tool for physical Israel to prepare them for the coming and till the coming of the son of Abraham - Jesus Christ.
3. After Christ came, Jews are no longer enslaved under the temporary Old Testament and Gentiles are no longer enslaved to false gods. We are all free.

How is it compatible with your theory that Gentiles should live according to the Old Testament?

Also, what slavery did Jesus come to set Jews free from? I have not noticed any reaction to that.

 

[trophy33]

sadly many people think Paul contradicts himself, Jesus and God, but that's not the case, just a lot of misunderstandings that lead people down the wrong path.

Then why do you respond to Galatians with verses from different books? If Bible is not contradicting yourself, then prove your theory is compatible with the letter to Galatians, with what Paul is saying there.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Then why do you respond to Galatians with verses from different books? If Bible is not contradicting yourself, then prove your theory is compatible with the letter to Galatians, with what Paul is saying there.

Because scripture is all of God's Word and Paul the author of Galatians is also the author of Romans. Do you think Paul contradicts himself from one chapter to another?

 

[SabbathBlessings]

I will repeat the points from the Letter to Galatians once more:

1. Abraham was promised that Gentiles are justified by faith, through his son.
2. The Old Testament was added only as a temporary tool for physical Israel to prepare them for the coming and till the coming of the son of Abraham - Jesus Christ.
3. After Christ came, Jews are no longer enslaved under the temporary Old Testament and Gentiles are no longer enslaved to false gods. We are all free.

How is it compatible with your theory that Gentiles should live according to the Old Testament?

Also, what slavery did Jesus come to set Jews free from? I have not noticed any reaction to that.

Could you provide the scripture that matches your statements please. Its too difficult to have an honest discussion when one is using their words and think it is the same as God's Word's. I certainly have never seen the scripture that says the Old Testament is temporary considering Jesus and the apostles' studied and quoted from it regularly.

If you provide scripture, I would be happy to address, but on the condition, you address the scripture I provide.

 

[trophy33]

Could you provide the scripture that matches your statements please. Its too difficult to have an honest discussion when one is using their words and think it is the same as God's Word's. If you provide scripture, I would be happy to address, but on the condition, you address the scripture I provide.

Galatians 2, 3, 4. Its the extract from those chapters.

 

[trophy33]

Because scripture is all of God's Word and Paul the author of Galatians is also the author of Romans. Do you think Paul contradicts himself from one chapter to another?

No, thats why I see no need for you to use different verses. Instead of playing cards "my verse is more than your verse", a good theology must make sense throughout the Bible. You do not need to react to Galatians with Romans, Revelation and generally with verses all over the place.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Galatians 2, 3, 4. Its the extract from those chapters.

Please quote the specific verses that you think matches your commentary.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

No, thats why I see no need for you to use different verses. Instead of playing cards "my verse is more than your verse", a good theology must make sense throughout the Bible. You do not need to react to Galatians with Romans, Revelation and generally with verses all over the place.

So faith in one chapter means something completely different in another? I can see why scriptures can be confusing to some.

 

[trophy33]

Please quote the specific verses that you think matches your commentary.

Instead of taking verses out of their context, take your time to read the letter to Galatians and see if you agree with the extract and if not, why not. If you do, then how is it compatible with your theology that Gentiles are to keep the Old Testament.

Its not a long book, you should be able to read it in full in quite a short time.

 

[trophy33]

So faith in one chapter means something completely different in another? I can see why scriptures can be confusing to some.

I am talking about the letter to Galatians, so in your reactions, react to the letter to Galatians. Quoting dozens of verses from different contexts is not useful.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

I am talking about the letter to Galatians, so in your reactions, react to the letter to Galatians. Quoting dozens of verses from different contexts is not useful.

I have taken my time to read Galatians and it happens to also be the chapter we are going through in my group bible study.

When someone makes a claim and says it's in scripture, it's up to that person to find the scripture to support their case.