Coexist?

[Octorock]

I have never met an Evangelist who would endorse this movement, nor have I ever met a person who endorses this movement who also evangelizes.

Man, you are frustrating to talk to. Are we talking about the movement to promote "peaceful co-existance," or universalism? I thought I sort of cleared things up in my last post that those were two completely separate things.

2 questions for you since you didn't answer my previous one:

1) Do you or would you endorse this bumper sticker?

Yes, I fully agree with the message of the bumper sticker (and not neccessarily the extra messages that you have added to it)

2) Do you share the Good News of Jesus Christ to those of religion?

I do share my beliefs with others, but that is a completely separate issue than coexisting.

This is extremely frustrating because you do not appear to even be aware of what you're arguing. If you have issues with universalism, fine, let's talk about universalsim. But don't take something completely unrelated to the unversalist movement and claim that it is entirely within the scope of that movement and that movement alone.

Let me give you a hypothetical scenario that hopefully will demonstrate to you what you are doing. Let us say that there is a bumper sticker that simply says "Love thy neigbor." That's a good message, right? I agree with it, I think (and hope) that you agree with it too. Jesus himself even said it, and it's in the Bible and everthing, so it checks out with your beliefs.

But uhoh! The Latter Day Saints also agree with it too!

So therefore, using your logic, the "Love thy Neighbor" bumper sticker would then be some sort of segment of the church of LDS, in order to promote their specific theology!

See how that doesn't make sense? Simply saying "Love Thy Neighbor" wouldn't automatically be a promotion of the church of LDS simply because the LDS also hold that belief. The message on the sticker, in its entirety, was only "Love Thy Neighbor." But it would be foolish to assume that this was some sort of trick in order to promote mormonism, simply because that message also happens to fit in with mormon beliefs. And likewise, it's foolish to assume that the "coexist" bumper sticker is a promotion of universalsim, simply because universalists also happen to hold that belief.

There is no "Coexist movement" designed to promote universalism, and every time you insist that there is, you only make yourself look more and more foolish. And when you argue that the message of the "Coexist" bumper sticker is wrong, then you come across as if you are stating that peaceful coexistance itself is wrong, which I know you don't believe.

 

[PTruitt]

Do you believe the Bible to be true?

I think of the greatest commandment as a big circle. Those who canonized the Bible tried to fit all of the writings within the circle. Many fit well, but they included some that did not fit as well, knowing that the writings contained important works. Had they know that ~1500 years later, you would twist it as you do, they might have put it ALL back in the caves with the rest of the stuff that didn't get included.

 

[Octorock]

I will say this: There is indeed someone in this thread that is promoting the idea that multiple, seperate ideas are basically the same thing...but I won't say who it is. :]

 

[PTruitt]

Do you believe the Bible to be true?

I think that the Bible is as true as the prayerful hearts of those who canonized it.

 

[airō]

Man, you are frustrating to talk to. Are we talking about the movement to promote "peaceful co-existance," or universalism? I thought I sort of cleared things up in my last post that those were two completely separate things.

We are talking about both. It is my opinion that promoting such interfaith dialogue only blurs the lines. There is no common ground that can be reached. As Christians, our time should be spent preaching the unadulterated Gospel of Jesus Christ. Any Christian who displays the Coexist bumper sticker gives the impression that they give credit to religion whether they think so or not. We are to avoid all appearances of evil. We don't need a bumper sticker that says we should live in peace.

 

[airō]

I think that the Bible is as true as the prayerful hearts of those who canonized it.

How do you determine what truths to accept and which ones to reject? What is your method for cherry picking the Scriptures you wish to apply to your life, or rather apply your life to Scriptures?

 

[tulc]

How do you determine what truths to accept and which ones to reject? What is your method for cherry picking the Scriptures you wish to apply to your life, or rather apply your life to Scriptures?

...wait didn't I ask this same question of you at least twice in this thread?
tulc(is still waiting for an answer)

 

[airō]

...wait didn't I ask this same question of you at least twice in this thread?
tulc(is still waiting for an answer)

post #?

 

[Octorock]

We are talking about both. It is my opinion that promoting such interfaith dialogue only blurs the lines. There is no common ground that can be reached. As Christians, our time should be spent preaching the unadulterated Gospel of Jesus Christ. Any Christian who displays the Coexist bumper sticker gives the impression that they give credit to religion whether they think so or not. We are to avoid all appearances of evil. We don't need a bumper sticker that says we should live in peace.

See, this makes you appear as if you DON'T believe that we should live in peace.

Living in peace is an "appearance of evil?"


Does a desire to xo-exist peacefully not count as common ground? And besides, if you don't believe in peaceful co-existance (you seen to go back and forth on this,) then perhaps you don't have that in common with those of other faiths.

Why must you insist on being enemies with those that wish to be your brother?

 

[airō]

See, this makes you appear as if you DON'T believe that we should live in peace.

Living in peace is an "appearance of evil?"


Does a desire to xo-exist peacefully not count as common ground? And besides, if you don't believe in peaceful co-existance (you seen to go back and forth on this,) then perhaps you don't have that in common with those of other faiths.

Why must you insist on being enemies with those that wish to be your brother?

Not living in peace, but suggesting interfaith commonalities through "coexist". It gives the wrong impression from a born again Christian.

No one is my enemy, but a Hindu is not my brother. Jesus said in Matthew 12:

46 While He was still talking to the multitudes, behold, His mother and brothers stood outside, seeking to speak with Him. 47 Then one said to Him, “Look, Your mother and Your brothers are standing outside, seeking to speak with You.”

48 But He answered and said to the one who told Him, “Who is My mother and who are My brothers?” 49 And He stretched out His hand toward His disciples and said, “Here are My mother and My brothers! 50 For whoever does the will of My Father in heaven is My brother and sister and mother.”

 

[tulc]

post #?

Sure I asked you that question (in one form or another) here:
#34,
#37,
#69,
#80,
#85,
#98.

tulc(and several others)

 

[tulc]

Not living in peace, but suggesting interfaith commonalities through "coexist". It gives the wrong impression from a born again Christian.

No one is my enemy, but a Hindu is not my brother. Jesus said in Matthew 12:

46 While He was still talking to the multitudes, behold, His mother and brothers stood outside, seeking to speak with Him. 47 Then one said to Him, “Look, Your mother and Your brothers are standing outside, seeking to speak with You.”

48 But He answered and said to the one who told Him, “Who is My mother and who are My brothers?” 49 And He stretched out His hand toward His disciples and said, “Here are My mother and My brothers! 50 For whoever does the will of My Father in heaven is My brother and sister and mother.”

hmmm and His use of the "good Samaritan" as an example of who is our neighbor? Which if you look at it doesn't that story show how we should coexist with people who don't have the same beliefs we do?
tulc(just curious)

 

[PTruitt]

How do you determine what truths to accept and which ones to reject? What is your method for cherry picking the Scriptures you wish to apply to your life, or rather apply your life to Scriptures?

When a consecutive string of words in the Bible seem to be 'truth' that should be rejected, I am concerned because you can't reject a 'truth'. So I meditate, pray, and I may seek guidance from clergy or biblical scholars who may present different interpretations. I may post something on a forum such as this. I don't rush 'truth', and I keep my eye on the ball: The Greatest Commandment. Have a nice weekend...

 

[Octorock]

Not living in peace, but suggesting interfaith commonalities through "coexist". It gives the wrong impression from a born again Christian.

How is the "wrong impression?"

A Christian and a Budhist might both come to the same comclusion about murder: they both agree that it's wrong. This would be an interfaith commonality. You are suggesting that this gives the "wrong impression." What is the wrong impression? That a Christian believes that murder is wrong? That a Christian might happen to agree with someone from a different faith on a particular issue, even if they disagree on others? The idea that the two might be able to work together to achieve good things based on their common belief, despite whatever other beliefs they may disagree on? Would it be better for the Christian to insist that murder is NOT wrong, lest he be mistaken for having anything at all in common with a Budhist? What's a more noble goal: working with others to bring about good things, or refusing to do good things all in the name of keeping up appearances?

 

[Octorock]

Here's another situation. Let's say that a number of volunteers from a particular church are building an orphanage. A number of local muslims agree that this is a good thing, and they volunteer their services to help build this orphanage. What should the members of the Christian church say?

A) That's good! It's a good thing for people in the community to work together to bring about a common goal! Any help would be appreciated!

B) No thanks. Although the results of the project might be better overall if we welcomed the assistance of more volunteers who are willing to help bring about a good thing, we can't run the risk of people mistaking our religions. We believe one thing and you believe another, so we shouldn't really be working together on anything, even if we have common ground on what we're working to bring about. After all, it gives the wrong impression.

Also:

We don't need a bumper sticker that says we should live in peace.

Does this really all come down to the fact that you just don't like bumper stickers?

 

[Almighty's humble servant]

Moral of the story is.............................


Peaceful coexistence will only come when antichrist has unfied all world religion, and when .....................

Jesus comes to burn away a/c and his false religion.

 

[airō]

Sure I asked you that question (in one form or another) here:
#34,
#37,
#69,
#80,
#85,
#98.

tulc(and several others)

I already answered you, tulc, just not to your liking.

 

[airō]

Moral of the story is.............................


Peaceful coexistence will only come when antichrist has unfied all world religion, and when .....................

Jesus comes to burn away a/c and his false religion.

Pretty much. In fact, it's only going to get much worse before it gets better. Everlasting peace will not happen until after the Millinniel reign of Christ and Satan, the antichrist, false prophet, the unrighteous, hell, and death are cast into the lake of fire where they will be tormented day and night forever and ever. At that point we will enter into the Eternal Order with our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.

 

[Octorock]

So, the moral of the story is, peace isn't possible, so you're not gonna' try.

 

[tulc]

I already answered you, tulc, just not to your liking.

hmmm if by "not to your liking" means "I ignored what was asked and posted something completely unrelated." then no, I guess I didn't like the non-answer.
tulc(likes for the answers he gets to be about the questions he asked)