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I take it you didn’t read That Wikipedia article. View attachment 230847

You mean the part about creationists believing evolutionism is a secular religion?

I don't agree. I believe evolutionism is a faith-based religion, with naturalism as god.

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No. But I'll bet you got everything you know from evolutionism sources. Did I win the bet?

Why do Creationists feel the need to make up words? The one you're looking for, by the way, is "scientific".
 
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From your link - "Patients with this deformity lack motor function at the affected vertebral level and sensory functions below the affected level." Doesn't sound vestigial at all to me. The key words that gave it away were "deformity", lacking "motor function", and "sensory functions". Just in case you don't understand the term vestigial, I quote it below:
"Vestigial (of an organ or part of the body) degenerate, rudimentary, or atrophied, having become functionless in the course of evolution."

Oops. Darwin's disciples get it wrong again. It hardly seems fair to call them scientists.

It is not fair to real scientists.

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The problem lies with the sneering way the term is generally used, as in the phrase, "Evolutionists believe..." where you can pretty much bet the ranch that what follows will be a fib.

I will agree that evolutionism is a faith-based religion originally based on the lie of Darwinism; but the religion has no doubt "evolved".

But, no matter; evolutionists would have no arguments at all if they dropped the "creationists are liars" mantra.

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-_- pretty sure that the bible explicitly states that the first human was made from dust, and that the second was made from the rib of the first human.

That is what the Word of God, says, pre-revision. It also says that God made the beasts, cattle, fowls, whales, and everything that creepeth on the earth. One would think God would not have said those things unless he meant them.

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Of course creationists take the brunt of the criticisms- mainly because they’re usually incompetently wrong . Not mistaken like Gingerich was due to lack of evidence . he said that whales might be descended from mesonychids and they’re actually only close cousins . The fossils clearing that up lineage weren’t available and Gingerich made a reasonable guess.

I know you want to believe that, but Gingerich had no right to "imagine" whale body parts that ended up as mock-ups in museums fooling our children.

The field of evolution is loaded with fraud and deception; and has been from the beginning.

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I know you want to believe that, but Gingerich had no right to "imagine" whale body parts that ended up as mock-ups in museums fooling our children.

The field of evolution is loaded with fraud and deception; and has been from the beginning.

Dan

And that is just unsupportable claim from you.
 
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[QUOTE="Bible Research Tools, post: 72793972, member: 409605" I don't recall claiming anyone is or is not a Christian. But I am pretty certain creation scientists take the brunt of attacks on their faith by evolutionists on this board, and not vice versa.

Creationist pseudoscience practioners ( I’m not calling them scientists) deserved the so called attacks as they are dead wrong to lie the way they do

I will agree that evolutionists lie.

"I [Phillip E. Johnson] had the honor to be the subject of a program at the American Association for the Advancement of Science annual meeting in Boston in February of 1993. Michael Ruse gave a lecture on me which was intended to be, from its abstract, an exercise in what we might call Johnson bashing.

Well deserved too as Johnson is a lawyer and has demonstrated repeatedly that he doesn’t understand science

Phillip Johnson knows more about science than you will ever know. He certainly understands the pseudoscience of evolution is not science.

Where is the conspiracy? It is a fact that evolutionists have a cronyistic relationship with government that prevents other theories from being recognized or funded. Are you denying that?

Yes!

Where do you live, Mongolia? The pseudoscience of evolutionism is the only religion allowed to be taught in public schools; and it is enforced by the power of the sword -- the government sword -- and it is funded out of the public treasuries.

Ignorance is bliss, I have heard. Only accurate thing you’ve ever stated.

You are welcome to point out any inaccuracies in my statements -- I encourage it! But please refrain from presenting evolutionism dogma as fact.

Dr. Wise presents the argument that fossilization occurs ONLY in anaerobic environments; so I am not sure what your point is. Baloney on the "eolian" fossils.

aeolian deposits are formed by wind like sand dunes. baloney on your pseudoscience based ignorance

Like I said, ignorance is bliss. There is no evidence any sand formation in the pre-modern geological column was formed by wind-blown sand. To the contrary, everything points to a watery environment: the angle of the cross-bedding; the preservation of the footprints; everything.

Either that or they lived in higher altitudes than, say, the dinos, and were covered by subsequent flood sediments.

yep, pines run faster than ferns

The plant fossil record points to marine-to-terrestrial flood depositions, exactly as predicted by a global flood.

That actually begins at the 29:09 mark. Stasis in the fossil record is obvious. Kurt Wise was a student of the late Dr. Stephen Jay Gould, Harvard, who coined the term; so I feel certain Dr. Wise understands it better than most.

Wise deliberately ignores evidence and real scientists don’t. Punk eek is due to rapid speciation followed by relative stasis . If you want to see this in real life- Timema cristinae evolving to eat another plant species . These timemids are background mimics.

LOL! I see you moved the goalposts. You evolutionists are too much!

Rapid speciation is unobservable nonsense; but it was the only way to rescue Darwin's imaginary gradualism from the dustbin of history, where it and rapid speciation truly belong.

How do you explain coal seams with flat tops and bottoms? How do you explain the presence of short mud layers (benches) between the seams?

Are you serious!?!?! Unbelievable!!!!!

I knew you could not explain them. Coal formations expose the foolishness of uniformitarianism, so it is best if you pretend they do not exist.

For the record, Dr. Steven Austin received his PhD from Penn State by defending his dissertation on coal formation based on a theory similar to the floating forest theory.

Austin is either an incompetent or a liar. Take your pick
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The academic community at Penn State, who accepted Austin's PhD defense, will be pleased to hear you have determined them to be incompetent. Of course, all they have to do is read a couple of your posts to realize you don't have a clue about this subject.

Carbon 14 dating of coal, alone, confirms the "300 million of years ago" date by evolutionist is silly. Additionally, the fact that coal seams are typically flat rules out any notion of a swamp origin.

C14 dating is only good for 50,000 years . I find it odd that you don’t know that . No layer over 50,000 years is able to be dated by C14. You’d rather keep repeating pseudoscience nonsense, though, wouldn’t you?

I have a reasonable grasp of the subject matter. I studied it in at least one of my Nuclear Engineering courses.

For the record, those C14 dates for coal samples were measured in secular labs. So were the K-Ar dates of 0.35 to 2.8 million years for the newly-formed rocks of Mount St. Helens.

Dan
 
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You mean the part about creationists believing evolutionism is a secular religion?

I don't agree. I believe evolutionism is a faith-based religion, with naturalism as god.

Dan
What about all of the Christians and other theists who have no problem accepting evolution while remaining loyal to their faith and their religions?
 
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You mean the part about creationists believing evolutionism is a secular religion?

I don't agree. I believe evolutionism is a faith-based religion, with naturalism as god.

Dan
-_- it's really not a religion. I would be very interested if evolution was disproven, not devastated or something. From my perspective, theories only matter as much as they accurately represent reality, so disproving the incorrect ones is just the equivalent of scientific weeding.

The theory of evolution has always had an uphill battle not because of a lack of evidence or because of the presence of conflicting evidence, but because a lot of people dislike it on an emotional level because they think it conflicts with their religion. We're not emotionally attached to the theory being true, but a lot of creationists are emotionally attached to the idea of it being false.
 
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Ah, another great reliable creationist source. He was caught lying - and I do mean lying - about Tiktaalik fossils. And expressing some pretty serious ignorance of anatomy - which is odd since he teaches anatomy.

You have the floor. Please explain how and when Dr. Menton was lying about the so-called Tiktaalik fossils. I am more than curious how you will respond.

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You do realize that the theory of biological evolution isn't strictly an American thing? You do know there are other countries in the world, yes?

So are you really suggesting a global conspiracy involving various governments from around the world for the past 150+ years?

What does that have to do with the U.S. judiciary usurping power from the states and the people?

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It's either a deliberate conspiracy or gross incompetence. Those are the only real options creationists have to explain why the world's biologists accept evolution without giving credence to the other, more obvious reason.

The war against Moses has occurred in the once-great and Christian western civilization.

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I'd like to know what other theories he has in mind. Biblical creationism has been off the table for 200 years.

You don't get out much. The war against Moses has been continuous for about 150 years.

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What does that have to do with the U.S. judiciary usurping power from the states and the people?

Dan

You said: It is a fact that evolutionists have a cronyistic relationship with government that prevents other theories from being recognized or funded.

I'm pointing out the fact that evolution, being a theory in biology, is recognized, taught and applied world-wide. It's not something limited only to the United States.

So by suggesting there is some sort of "cronyistic relationship with government", are you suggesting that biologists are part of some world-wide conspiracy to, what, teach evolution in schools? :scratch:
 
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You don't get out much. The war against Moses has been continuous for about 150 years.

Dan
War against Moses? I'll admit I have not heard rejection of a shallow and theologically inadequate interpretation of Genesis described quite that way before.
 
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