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We are now experiencing the 7 last plagues, such as skin cancer, red tides and global warming.
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interpreter,
Why do you think that John wrote of the things which shall be hereafter?
Why do you call the things which shall be hereafter the things which were?
Why do you think that John wrote of the things which shall be hereafter?
Why do you call the things which shall be hereafter the things which were?
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duh! John's hereafter started in the second century. Very little of it is hereafter to us.
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Which would make the bible no longer true, correct? I mean at least for us today..
It would be a history book and not the living and powerful Sword of the Spirit which it actually is... Right?
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You futurists are a hoot. John said the Revelation would begin unfolding "with speed." And the fact that we are now experiencing the 7 last plagues, such as skin cancer, red tides and global warming, proves that all previous prophecies have been fulfilled.
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Sorry I missed this interpreter and I think it's important.
Revelation says that it speaks of the things which shall be.. and yet you are telling us that they are past.. And I can understand that without any difficulty.. although what I can't understand is how you can't see that this makes the word of God of no effect and no longer true?
Let's say that I'm a student of the bible and you are teaching me. I come across the revelation which speaks of things which shall be hereafter..
You tell me that they are in the past..
The bible tells me that they are in the future..
I have a problem. I can't believe the bible about things which shall be because they already have been according to you.
How do you reconcile that?
Do you think that the revelation is only history and is no longer true about these things being hereafter?
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Most of the Revelation has been fulfilled; but there are still a few things that will take place hereafter.
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I think that you're missing the point..
Let's try this.. how do you know what things are past, present, or future in the revelation?
You say that most is fulfilled and that a few things are future..
How do you know that?
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Dunbar, perhaps you can help..
How do you know what is past, present, or future in the scriptures. Specifically with respect to the revelation let's say..
How do you know what is past, present, or future in the scriptures. Specifically with respect to the revelation let's say..
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The bible is written in such a way that it is applicable to every generation but it is especially written for the last generation because they will live thru the worst time in history. I see everything as future so I may be biased in that regard.
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Well obviously some things are past.. like the life, ministry, death, resurrection, and ascension of the Lord Jesus Christ..
I mean there's no way that's future.. right?
Obviously the church of God began at Pentecost after the resurrection and ascension of Christ.. and He has been building it since then upon the confession of Jesus being the Son of God.. right..
So we know that some things are the things which are.. happening right now whereas other things are certainly hereafter.. like the resurrection of the dead etc etc..
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Yes, so there are some things which are easily discerned as the things which are happening right now.. and there are things which we can easily see as the things which shall be hereafter..
Thanks Dunbar.
Thanks Dunbar.
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Red tides and sometimes colorless dead zones plague every sea on earth. Scientist say that all the fish in the sea will be dead by 2048
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I did answer you. The proof that most of the Revelation is past is that we are now experiencing the 7 last plagues.
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