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[Ran77]

It is a Christian Forum.

Do you really believe if there was an LDS forum they would not have their own section and non-LDS be pointed to posting in another area?

Since you have introduced the comparison of this forum with LDS forums, I'm going to guess that it's okay to respond.

While the LDS forums do have areas that are for LDS only and not for the purpose of debate, they do not do what is happening here. Which is to say that they don't identify other groups as non-Christian or allow the rampant proliferation of threads with the purpose of attacking the beliefs of others. On at least one of them they encouraged non-LDS members to act as moderators so that they would have people in place that could monitor the activity on the forum who would have a good understanding of the doctrines of the non-LDS members, avoiding a situation where they act on an interpretation of a religion's doctrines that is not what that group believes.

Please let's not start exaggerating. it is not a Fascist Germany and you are not a persecuted group being huddled into the ghettos.

A quick look at the majority of the threads in this forum show a good amount of persecution of the LDS. We are discussing a decision to label the LDS as non-Christians with a very visible marker attached to each of our posts. And if I'm not mistaken we are being huddled into the non-Christian ghettos of the forum. But you are correct that this is not Fascist Germany.


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[Ran77]

Christian theology teaches we all are sinners, you and I.
Being a Christian does not mean one is better. It means one is a redeemed sinner. There is forgiveness of sins.

I am certain there are many Mormons who are better individuals than I am.

If you state that is what you believe, then I accept it. Because you understand better than anyone what you believe.

 

[Ran77]

Then why do so many people act like it does?

I have to say that a constant flow of comments involving the words "false" and "non-Christian" certainly makes it sound that way to me.


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[Edial]

I'm curious as to those who believe Jesus was once Michael the archangel where would they stand in this forum?

They stand among other groups of non-Christians, since they do not believe in the eternal deity of Christ as defined in the OP.

 

[Edial]

Like I said in the post you are commenting on, "This is unproductive." You asked where the double standard was and I laid it out in a very clear fashion. When different criteria are used for two groups that is a double standard and that is definitely the case here. Your requests to have me show any of the above does not change the fact that a different set of criteria is used against the LDS than what you expect the LDS to accept from you.

That's not the way I go about it, but then again the site has determined that I am not a Christian.

The site did not determine LDS are non-Christians.
CF confirms that what the Scriptures determined.

 

[Ran77]

Salvation is necessarily based on the person of Jesus Christ, his work on the Cross and who He claimed to be.

JN 8:23 But he [Christ] continued, "You are from below; I am from above. You are of this world; I am not of this world. 24 I told you that you would die in your sins; if you do not believe that I am the one I claim to be, you will indeed die in your sins."

If we reject Christ is the very God we certainly, unquestionably remain in our sins.
If we believe Christ is God yet have an un-Biblical understand about God such as he originally was a man like you and I, we would perish in our sins.

You have bolded the portion of this verse where Christ discuss believing He is the one who He claims to be. The LDS accept this. We accept each and every claim Jesus made about who He was/is.

 

[Ran77]

The site did not determine LDS are non-Christians.

That is patently untrue. :o

CF confirms that what the Scriptures determined.

The staff made this decision based on biased interpretations of LDS doctrines.


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[Edial]

Since you have introduced the comparison of this forum with LDS forums, I'm going to guess that it's okay to respond.

While the LDS forums do have areas that are for LDS only and not for the purpose of debate, they do not do what is happening here. Which is to say that they don't identify other groups as non-Christian or allow the rampant proliferation of threads with the purpose of attacking the beliefs of others. On at least one of them they encouraged non-LDS members to act as moderators so that they would have people in place that could monitor the activity on the forum who would have a good understanding of the doctrines of the non-LDS members, avoiding a situation where they act on an interpretation of a religion's doctrines that is not what that group believes.

Of course LDS do not identify others as non-Christians because they are trying to identify themselves with these very Christians.

A quick look at the majority of the threads in this forum show a good amount of persecution of the LDS. We are discussing a decision to label the LDS as non-Christians with a very visible marker attached to each of our posts. And if I'm not mistaken we are being huddled into the non-Christian ghettos of the forum. But you are correct that this is not Fascist Germany.

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No, a visible marker in not being attached to each of your posts.
LDS icons would remain as is yet they would be grouped with non-Christians.
And you are not being huddled into ghettos ... however, if you want to pretend you are, you could.

 

[Edial]

Then why do so many people act like it does?

I don't know.

 

[Edial]

If you state that is what you believe, then I accept it. Because you understand better than anyone what you believe.

 

[He is Risen 72]

LDS have been discriminating against True Christians for years. Anyone is welcome in my church to witness anything we do, weddings, baptisms, communion, regular Sunday and Wednesday services and Bible studies. Methodists, Baptists, Catholics, Lutherans, Presbyterians, Wesleyans, Dutch Reformed, Church of God, Church of Christ, Jehovah’s Witness, Jews, Muslims, and even Mormons are all welcome. How many of these Christians do our Mormon “brothers” allow into their temples to observe a wedding or endowment ceremony?

 

[A New Dawn]

Mountain Meadows was in retaliation for Haun's Mill.

You might want to bone up on your history before saying anything else offensive.

This is waaaay off topic, but I don't think so. There were like 20 years and a couple thousand miles between them.

Perhaps you should bone up on your history before making meaningless statements like this.

 

[Edial]

You have bolded the portion of this verse where Christ discuss believing He is the one who He claims to be. The LDS accept this. We accept each and every claim Jesus made about who He was/is.

I know.
Unfortunately the God LDS describes is not eternal past and once was a man.
When we say "God" it means a Biblical view of God, which is a Christian view of God. (Word "Christian" came from the Bible).

 

[A New Dawn]

It is a Christian Forum.

Do you really believe if there was an LDS forum they would not have their own section and non-LDS be pointed to posting in another area?

Please let's not start exaggerating. it is not a Fascist Germany and you are not a persecuted group being huddled into the ghettos.

Ed, Unorthodox Theology was moved and placed in the Discussion & Debate section of the forum because staff wanted it moved out of the Christian Only forums. It was moved out and placed there with the caveat that only those who considered themselves to be a Christian could post there. TBH, I don't understand what more you want. It is not in the CO section, and people are free to think of themselves as Christian (at least here in the US (at least for now)). What harm does it do to CF to continue to leave it here in the already non-CO section of the board and allow the LDS to consider themselves to be Christian? I mean, moving them from one non-Christian part of the board to another non-Christian part of the board serves what purpose?

 

[A New Dawn]

LDS have been discriminating against True Christians for years. Anyone is welcome in my church to witness anything we do, weddings, baptisms, communion, regular Sunday and Wednesday services and Bible studies. Methodists, Baptists, Catholics, Lutherans, Presbyterians, Wesleyans, Dutch Reformed, Church of God, Church of Christ, Jehovah’s Witness, Jews, Muslims, and even Mormons are all welcome. How many of these Christians do our Mormon “brothers” allow into their temples to observe a wedding or endowment ceremony?

This type of post is off-topic and not helpful.

 

[Ironhold]

LDS have been discriminating against True Christians for years. Anyone is welcome in my church to witness anything we do, weddings, baptisms, communion, regular Sunday and Wednesday services and Bible studies. Methodists, Baptists, Catholics, Lutherans, Presbyterians, Wesleyans, Dutch Reformed, Church of God, Church of Christ, Jehovah’s Witness, Jews, Muslims, and even Mormons are all welcome. How many of these Christians do our Mormon “brothers” allow into their temples to observe a wedding or endowment ceremony?

LDS temples have so little internal space that most such events usually only have a handful of members in the first place.

However, anyone and everyone can walk into an LDS chapel and sit in on the proceedings.

 

[Ironhold]

This is waaaay off topic, but I don't think so. There were like 10 years and a couple thousand miles between them.

At least one person who was made to confess indicated that this was indeed the case.

After all, the Franchers had people from both Missouri (Haun's Mill) and Arkansas (Parley Pratt). News that Johnston's Army was on its way caused a general panic in the state, and some of the folks down in Iron County used it as an excuse to settle old grudges. Hence MMM.

 

[Edial]

Ed, Unorthodox Theology was moved and placed in the Discussion & Debate section of the forum because staff wanted it moved out of the Christian Only forums. It was moved out and placed there with the caveat that only those who considered themselves to be a Christian could post there. TBH, I don't understand what more you want. It is not in the CO section, and people are free to think of themselves as Christian (at least here in the US (at least for now)). What harm does it do to CF to continue to leave it here in the already non-CO section of the board and allow the LDS to consider themselves to be Christian? I mean, moving them from one non-Christian part of the board to another non-Christian part of the board serves what purpose?

Good question.
There were 3 outstanding reasons for doing so. And the last one made it so.

1. New believers are confused that LDS are Christians because CF calls them Christians.
2. Mature believers call us all the time and are like :o.
3. One Mormon member posted this in some of the back and forth arguments trying to jab a Christian poster - "Christian God has a wife". It is an LDS theology yet it touched way too high, God himself, by saying Christian God has a wife.

I saw that post and this showed me we made a mistake.

 

[A New Dawn]

At least one person who was made to confess indicated that this was indeed the case.

After all, the Franchers had people from both Missouri (Haun's Mill) and Arkansas (Parley Pratt). News that Johnston's Army was on its way caused a general panic in the state, and some of the folks down in Iron County used it as an excuse to settle old grudges. Hence MMM.

I guess the LDS sense of revenge runs deep. And, FYI, Haun's Mill massacre was in response to an uprising the Saints caused shortly before it happened.

 

[A New Dawn]

Good question.
There were 3 outstanding reasons for doing so. And the last one made it so.

1. New believers are confused that LDS are Christians because CF calls them Christians.
2. Mature believers call us all the time and are like :o.
3. One Mormon member posted this in some of the back and forth arguments trying to jab a Christian poster - "Christian God has a wife". It is an LDS theology yet it touched way too high, God himself, by saying Christian God has a wife.

I saw that post and this showed me we made a mistake.

1. CF doesn't call them Christian, they call themselves Christian. It is obvious that CF doesn't call them Christian because they are not allowed in the CO section.

2. I was on staff for 8 years, and those complaints were few and far between. So, that reasoning doesn't fly. And if someone did make an issue of it, you could have explained we moderate on content, not icon.

3. I am not sure what you are saying. That it looked like a Christian was saying that God had a wife because an LDS member had a Christian icon?