[closed] Major Changes to posting in this forum

[Edial]

Dear posters.

CF decided to clarify the distinction between a Christian and non-Christian faiths.

Faith groups that deny the full, eternal deity of Jesus Christ or His incarnation whereby He, as God, took on human flesh (becoming fully God, fully man in one person), are considered non-Christians at CF.
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This means that any faith group that does not believe in the deity of Christ as described may no longer post in Christian-Only areas.
They are considered non-Christians.

Faith groups that accept the deity of Christ as defined yet disagree with some other points in the Nicene Creed would be defined as non-Nicene Christians.

Others that accept the Nicene Creed as defined at CF's Statement of Faith would be called Nicene Christians.

Why the change?

We believe that the identity and qualifications of Christ to save the humanity is imperative to salvation.

And since salvation is what makes Christian faith Christian, we decided to point out the difference.

The icons for LDS, JW and Unitarians are currently grouped with non-Christian icons.

We do apologize to these groups for the hurt feelings, but the distinction in such areas is necessary.

Questions? Please.

On behalf of the Advisors,
Edial
Ed

 

[Sojourner1]

Here is the new organization of the Faith Groups:

Christian


Nicene (Orthodox):

Anabaptist:

Anglican:

Baptist:

Calvary-Chapel:

Calvinist:

Catholic:

Charismatic:

Generic Orthodox Christian:

Christian-Seeker:

Eastern-Orthodox:

Lutheran:

Messianic:

Methodist:

Nazarene:

Non-Denominational:

Oriental-Orthodox:

Pentecostal:

Presbyterian:

Protestant:

Salvation Army:

Seventh-Day Adventist:

United Church of Christ:

Utrecht:

Wesleyan:

Word-Of-Faith:

Non-Nicene (Unorthodox):


Non-Trinitarian-Messianic:

Oneness:

Other Church-Unorthodox:

Non-Christian

Agnostic:

Atheist:

Buddhist:

Deist:

Hindu:

Humanist:

Jehovahs-Witness:

Judaism:

Mormon:

Muslim:

Other-Religion:

Pagan:

Pantheist:

Seeker:

Taoist:

Unitarian:

 

[Ran77]

Faith groups that deny the full, eternal deity of Jesus Christ or His incarnation whereby He, as God, took on human flesh (becoming fully God, fully man in one person), are considered non-Christians at CF.

Since LDS consider Jesus Christ to be God, to always have been God, and to have come to Earth as fully God and fully man, I'm having a hard time seeing the reason we have been deemed non-Christian. It's no surprise. It just doesn't match your explanation.


:o

 

[Edial]

Faith groups that deny the full, eternal deity of Jesus Christ or His incarnation whereby He, as God, took on human flesh (becoming fully God, fully man in one person), are considered non-Christians at CF.

Since LDS consider Jesus Christ to be God, to always have been God, and to have come to Earth as fully God and fully man, I'm having a hard time seeing the reason we have been deemed non-Christian. It's no surprise. It just doesn't match your explanation.


:o

Within Mormonism Father, Son, Holy Spirit are not one in substance or essence.
When we say "fully God" it means exactly that.

It is similar to when Christ claimed to be the I AM of the OT.

 

[Ran77]

Within Mormonism Father, Son, Holy Spirit are not one in substance or essence.
When we say "fully God" it means exactly that.

It is similar to when Christ claimed to be the I AM of the OT.

When the LDS say fully God, we mean exactly that.

We believe when Christ claimed to be the I AM of the OT.

 

[Hillsage]

Questions? Please.

On behalf of the Advisors,
Edial
Ed

I'm curious as to what you want questions for, since a decision has apparently made on this issue? Is the decision final, or not?

 

[Edial]

I'm curious as to what you want questions for, since a decision has apparently made on this issue? Is the decision final, or not?

Yes, decision is final.

Questions are in context of posting logistics, where, how, who may post ...

 

[Edial]

When the LDS say fully God, we mean exactly that.

We believe when Christ claimed to be the I AM of the OT.

You just happen to believe that God is not eternal in His divinity and was a man like us.
Do you deny anything from the quote below?

God himself was once as we are now, and is an exalted man... I am going to tell you how God came to be God. We have imagined and supposed that God was God from all eternity. I will refute that idea... He was once a man like us; yea, that God himself, the Father of us all, dwelt on an earth. Joseph Smith
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[timewerx]

Does this mean this UDD can no longer be spammed with many threads refuting LDS??

 

[Ran77]

You just happen to believe that God is not eternal in His divinity and was a man like us.
Do you deny anything from the quote below?

No. Our critics just happen to want us to believe that. Despite the efforts by the LDS to explain our beliefs our critics continue to misrepresent this part of our doctrine and now the forum has delegated us to non-Christian status, not based on our actual beliefs, but rather the twisted version of them.

But then again, that is no surprise. I just want to make it clear to the readership in general that this decision is being based on someone else's version of our beliefs rather than what we profess.

God himself was once as we are now, and is an exalted man... I am going to tell you how God came to be God. We have imagined and supposed that God was God from all eternity. I will refute that idea... He was once a man like us; yea, that God himself, the Father of us all, dwelt on an earth. Joseph Smith
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This passage discusses God having a physical form. If the decision to cast the LDS as non-Christians was based on our actual beliefs then there would be an effort to read this quote in context. Because if that were done you would see that it gives Jesus as the example of how this works. And the LDS clearly state that Jesus was God in the beginning and through Him were all things created, that were created. That Jesus came to Earth and was fully God and fully man.

This is the double standard that is directed at the LDS every day. It's okay for you to state that Jesus was fully man, but when the LDS do it we are non-Christians for that belief. In case you missed it, Jesus dwelt on an earth - this one in fact. Jesus being fully man means he was once a man like us.

And since the trinity view involves Jesus being God the Father, then it means that God lived on this Earth, just like man.

 

[Ran77]

Does this mean this UDD can no longer be spammed with many threads refuting LDS??

Are you kidding?


:o

 

[Edial]

Does this mean this UDD can no longer be spammed with many threads refuting LDS??

There are many references refuting LDS in Christian Only forums like GT, Congregational areas and so forth.
If however people would want to challenge LDS they may freely do so in World's Religions and places like these.

This forum however would be renamed and moved to Theology. Maybe this would change some of the habitual posting here some might have.

 

[Edial]

No. Our critics just happen to want us to believe that. Despite the efforts by the LDS to explain our beliefs our critics continue to misrepresent this part of our doctrine and now the forum has delegated us to non-Christian status, not based on our actual beliefs, but rather the twisted version of them.

But then again, that is no surprise. I just want to make it clear to the readership in general that this decision is being based on someone else's version of our beliefs rather than what we profess.





This passage discusses God having a physical form. If the decision to cast the LDS as non-Christians was based on our actual beliefs then there would be an effort to read this quote in context. Because if that were done you would see that it gives Jesus as the example of how this works. And the LDS clearly state that Jesus was God in the beginning and through Him were all things created, that were created. That Jesus came to Earth and was fully God and fully man.

This is the double standard that is directed at the LDS every day. It's okay for you to state that Jesus was fully man, but when the LDS do it we are non-Christians for that belief. In case you missed it, Jesus dwelt on an earth - this one in fact. Jesus being fully man means he was once a man like us.

And since the trinity view involves Jesus being God the Father, then it means that God lived on this Earth, just like man.

You may have your opinions however the quotation of Joseph Smith clearly states that God was not always God, but a man.

God himself was once as we are now, and is an exalted man... I am going to tell you how God came to be God. We have imagined and supposed that God was God from all eternity. I will refute that idea... He was once a man like us; yea, that God himself, the Father of us all, dwelt on an earth. Joseph Smith
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This is an un-Christian teaching.
LDS can no longer be called Christian at CF.

 

[hedrick]

It seems that the intended population of UDD is pretty sparse. Your statement effectively paraphrases Chalcedon: "becoming fully God, fully man in one person." It would be unusual to find someone who accepts Chalcedon and not Nicea. I'm sure they exist, but it's pretty rare.

 

[Ran77]

You may have your opinions however the quotation of Joseph Smith clearly states that God was not always God, but a man.

What I have is an LDS understanding of LDS doctrine. You, our critics, and the forum can make whatever claims about what we believe that you want, but that doesn't mean you are representing them correctly. And in this case you aren't. As I said, it's no surprise. The LDS are used to this sort of misrepresentation.

 

[Ran77]

Faith groups that deny the full, eternal deity of Jesus Christ or His incarnation whereby He, as God, took on human flesh (becoming fully God, fully man in one person), are considered non-Christians at CF.

Which doctrine of the JW and the SDA violates this parameter?

 

[mmksparbud]

Which doctrine of the JW and the SDA violates this parameter?

The SDA believe Christ always was--that He was fully divine and fully human--and that He became a man, but still kept His divinity--and that He is the Only Begotten Son of God. The SDA do not violate that parameter.

we differ on other things, but definitely not that! According to th rules, we would be non-Nicene Christians, I guess.

 

[Edial]

What I have is an LDS understanding of LDS doctrine. You, our critics, and the forum can make whatever claims about what we believe that you want, but that doesn't mean you are representing them correctly. And in this case you aren't. As I said, it's no surprise. The LDS are used to this sort of misrepresentation.

I gave the quote of your leader where he plainly states God Himself, prior to incarnation was a man like you and I.
We cannot accept this as Christian.

 

[Edial]

Which doctrine of the JW and the SDA violates this parameter?

SDA are fine.
JW believe Jesus was a created god.

 

[Edial]

It seems that the intended population of UDD is pretty sparse. Your statement effectively paraphrases Chalcedon: "becoming fully God, fully man in one person." It would be unusual to find someone who accepts Chalcedon and not Nicea. I'm sure they exist, but it's pretty rare.

We just paraphrased some of the quotes to express CF view.