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Even your memory of this post.Objective fiction created by egos?
And this is all of the past we are talking about?
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Even your memory of this post.Objective fiction created by egos?
And this is all of the past we are talking about?
My post does not mention a problem with the idea that things can change.
It refers to the origin of the human race.
There is more to that than "things change".
There's nothing wrong with writing information down. I'm just agreeing with the above statements with respect to the limitations that are present with respect to written records.
It is not as if history books are usually just written reports with no citations of evidence.
And you don't get a laboratory with a book about science.
Again, the difference is more what is being studied, not that one is "fiction" and the other "truth".
Who here is in a denomination or official church that stands up for Genesis as true? I am looking for those that insist on the direct creation of humans especially, or historical interpretation of Genesis, anything that rejects evolution and chemical stew as the origin of life.
I am just trying to find out what churches there are that do, and if possible what it is they officially say about it.
TIA
Confessional Lutheranism doesn't hold to any origins "model".
See my above post with the official doctrinal statement of the LCMS.
I would presume that the other Lutheran denomination, WELS, would agree with that as well.
Who here is in a denomination or official church that stands up for Genesis as true? I am looking for those that insist on the direct creation of humans especially, or historical interpretation of Genesis, anything that rejects evolution and chemical stew as the origin of life.
I am just trying to find out what churches there are that do, and if possible what it is they officially say about it.
TIA
As I said, I think one's view of creation does have theological implications. It can lead to the "it's only an allegory" viewpoint.
That's like saying we can discount what Jesus has said "because it's only a parable."
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As I said, I think one's view of creation does have theological implications. It can lead to the "it's only an allegory" viewpoint.
It's not like that.
I never said people who view the Bible as only an allegory discount it.
Seems to me "only an allegory" discounts it.
It is interesting that Ken Ham says that the bulk of the persecution and opposition he gets when he conducts Creation Evangelism in schools and universities, comes from church ministers. Some actually stand up in front of the audience and argue with him. Not a good look for the church, is it!Mine does, Church of Christ (this is Australian and not to be confused with any US COC) Each church is largely autonomous so I can't speak for other COC's here.
One of our members has been a personal friend of Ken Ham's for over 50 years, he always comes to visit and talk when he's over here.
It is interesting that Ken Ham says that the bulk of the persecution and opposition he gets when he conducts Creation Evangelism in schools and universities, comes from church ministers. Some actually stand up in front of the audience and argue with him. Not a good look for the church, is it!
I don't know. I have always been associated with churches that strongly hold to Creationism. But just recently I visited a church where they had a well-known RCC priest preaching (not an RCC church), where he said that there was no real Adam and Eve - that the beginning of Genesis was just a myth to explain how we as Christians can be better human beings and improve the world around us.That does not happen here, our COC holds to creation. I've never heard a murmur from anyone about evolution and we have been members for about 20 years now.
Kind of begs the question of why these churches invited him unless it was for the precise purpose of arguing.
I don't know. I have always been associated with churches that strongly hold to Creationism. But just recently I visited a church where they had a well-known RCC priest preaching (not an RCC church), where he said that there was no real Adam and Eve - that the beginning of Genesis was just a myth to explain how we as Christians can be better human beings and improve the world around us.
It is interesting that Ken Ham says that the bulk of the persecution and opposition he gets when he conducts Creation Evangelism in schools and universities, comes from church ministers. Some actually stand up in front of the audience and argue with him.
I don't know. I have always been associated with churches that strongly hold to Creationism. But just recently I visited a church where they had a well-known RCC priest preaching (not an RCC church), where he said that there was no real Adam and Eve - that the beginning of Genesis was just a myth to explain how we as Christians can be better human beings and improve the world around us.