Christians who hate...

[dies-l]

Isn't it odd that the moral values that we agree on the most are often the ones we practice the least. For example, we could argue until the cows come home about whether homosexuality is a sin, but in the end, most of us (on both sides of the argument) don't have much trouble abstaining from homosexuality. OTOH, we all pretty much agree that we are to love our enemies, and that we are to forgive those who hurt us. Yet, how many of us actually live this out. I know I sure fall flat on this one, and I suspect that almost everyone else here does too.

 

[Duckybill]

To hate others is to be unforgiven.

Matthew 6:14-15 (NKJV)
14 "For if you forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you. 15 But if you do not forgive men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.

 

[bugkiller]

Some questions...

Is it okay for Christians to hate other Christians simply because they disagree with them?

Should Christians who profess that hatred continue to stew and seethe about them to other people?

Is it okay for Christians to carry grudges?

My guess is it depends on what you call hate.

I find that if I please one person I displease another. In some circles this is called hate.

I also find that if I stand up for something, it is called hate by those who oppose what I stand for.

Simple solution - withdraw. Only say yes or no. Do not express any ideas. Only ask for a need and say thank you. Even that is met with a sales picth. Want to confuse somebody? Just give an unemotional no. Drives 'em nuts.

This no offense socisty we are now living in stinks. You can't even preach the truth at church anymore. People will not come back.

bugkiller

 

[Capuano231]

You should never hate no matter what!

We all hate though, even when we commit to our selves that we wont. But please try your best not to. If you do hate it wont bring you closer to God.

 

[Zebra1552]

You should never hate no matter what!

We all hate though, even when we commit to our selves that we wont. But please try your best not to. If you do hate it wont bring you closer to God.

So, then the book of Ecclesiastes is not inspired then, when it said there is 'a time to hate'?

 

[PreachersWife2004]

I think we can hate ideals and hate things, but not people. We should always hate and detest evil. But people...no, we should never hate people.

We're really no better off than the person sitting next to us on the bus or in the restaurant. What sets us apart is the love of Christ, and He tells us to love our enemies. How can someone call themselves a Christian if they allow themselves to wallow in hatred?

1 John emphasized it not once, but twice within the same paragraph!

Anyone who claims to be in the light but hates his brother is still in the darkness. Whoever loves his brother lives in the light, and there is nothing in him to make him stumble. But whoever hates his brother is in the darkness and walks around in the darkness; he does not know where he is going, because the darkness has blinded him.
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[Capuano231]

So, then the book of Ecclesiastes is not inspired then, when it said there is 'a time to hate'?

There is no reason to hate people based on what they say on do... That is Evil, Evil is to blame. Not people.

PreachersWife has it completely right.

 

[Zebra1552]

There is no reason to hate people based on what they say on do... That is Evil, Evil is to blame. Not people.

PreachersWife has it completely right.

Red herring. That has nothing to do with what I asked you.

 

[PreachersWife2004]

Red herring. That has nothing to do with what I asked you.

but it does.

Ecclesiastes doesn't say there's a time to hate people, just a time to hate. Hence why I said that we can hate things and ideals but not people. Cap just merely pointed out we shouldn't hate people based on what they say or do, which is usually what we base our hatred of someone on, is it not?

 

[Zebra1552]

but it does.

Ecclesiastes doesn't say there's a time to hate people, just a time to hate. Hence why I said that we can hate things and ideals but not people. Cap just merely pointed out we shouldn't hate people based on what they say or do, which is usually what we base our hatred of someone on, is it not?

He stated this:

You should never hate no matter what!

I responded to it with my question about Ecclesiastes. Exactly what does my question have to do with hating people?

 

[PreachersWife2004]

He stated this:

I responded to it with my question about Ecclesiastes. Exactly what does my question have to do with hating people?

I think Cap was assuming we were talking about hating people, since the thread has pretty much been about hating people, not just hate in general. We should never hate people at all.

Cap also agreed with what I posted, which was that while Ecclesiastes does say there is a time to hate, it doesn't mean we can hate people. Cap agrees with that sentiment.

So what was your issue again?

 

[Capuano231]

He stated this:



I responded to it with my question about Ecclesiastes. Exactly what does my question have to do with hating people?

Just because Ecclesiastes states that hating is necessary doesn't mean you shouldn't worry about hating. I was just stating that it isn't okay to hate. Do you think hate is alright because Ecclesiastes says it's necessary to do so?

 

[brinny]

I think Paul got it right.....All you need is love...love..love...love is all you need....guess I should give credit to the other guys, Ringo John and George.

LOL i thought you were talking about Paul the apostle

 

[Zebra1552]

Just because Ecclesiastes states that hating is necessary doesn't mean you shouldn't worry about hating. I was just stating that it isn't okay to hate. Do you think hate is alright because Ecclesiastes says it's necessary to do so?

It doesn't mean I shouldn't hate, either, which is what you said should happen. Which is it? Are we or are we not supposed to hate?

 

[Capuano231]

It doesn't mean I shouldn't hate, either, which is what you said should happen. Which is it? Are we or are we not supposed to hate?

Then I don't understand this "hate" problem, just like the OP. Because you have mad me think and at the same time confused me (not a bad thing)

 

[Zebra1552]

I think Cap was assuming we were talking about hating people, since the thread has pretty much been about hating people, not just hate in general. We should never hate people at all.

Why not? If actions define a person, then hating their actions is the same as hating them. Even if they don't, hate implies that you care about the person on a level deeper than you're willing to admit. Hate can in fact be very useful and revealing.

Cap also agreed with what I posted, which was that while Ecclesiastes does say there is a time to hate, it doesn't mean we can hate people. Cap agrees with that sentiment.

He did so in a separate conversation and also, you posted after I did and he responded to you before me. How does the above information relate to my conversation with him?

So what was your issue again?

Who said I have an issue?

 

[Zebra1552]

Then I don't understand this "hate" problem, just like the OP. Because you have mad me think and at the same time confused me (not a bad thing)

The hate problem is that we're human and we cannot avoid it. So, how do we turn a weakness- an inborn one at that- and make it a strength?

 

[ebia]

"This is how all men shall know that you are my disciples...." (And conversely).

 

[Inviolable]

Some questions...

Is it okay for Christians to hate other Christians simply because they disagree with them?

I've never disagreed with someone I know has felt the Holy Spirit.

But I do see a lot of people on here who call themselves Christians and act contrary to what you would expect to see from the Holy spirit.
Like those people claiming to be Christian yet, posting quotes on FSTDT,
I wouldn't think that the Holy Spirit moves people to humiliate another person into submission. Nor would I assume that anyone who believes in free will would do such a thing.
Sounds more like something Hitler would do.

 

[Presbyterian Continuist]

I don't see hating as part of the fruit of the Spirit. The fruit of the Spirit reflects the spirit of Christ, and the Bible says that if a person does not have the spirit of Christ, he is none of His (Romans 8:9). Hate is the opposite of love. A person who hates does not love, and the person who does not love does not know God for God is love (1 John 4:8). The answer seems quite simple to me.