Christians Only : your evidence please

[Kylie]

Are you claiming that mammals are still reptiles, which are still amphibians, which are still fish, etc?

Are we all bacteria?

Mammals, like reptiles, are tetrapods. We evolved from a common ancestor with reptiles, and that reptile was a tetrapod. It was more like a modern reptile than a modern mammals, and both mammals and reptiles are still tetrapods. And no matter what mammals (or reptiles) evolve into, we will all still be tetrapods.

 

[xianghua]

And no matter what mammals (or reptiles) evolve into, we will all still be tetrapods.

what is your definition of a tetrapod?

 

[lewiscalledhimmaster]

Amen, brother!

Question 3

Not compatible you say.

Is Rogue66 still on this Forum ?

 

[lewiscalledhimmaster]

Is Evolution, really a BIG FAT LIE?
I believe that one day the Darwinian myth will be ranked the greatest deceit in the history of science.

...

Just cause you say it is

Did you read what Loudmouth posted, before you did?

 

[lewiscalledhimmaster]

... Quite simply, the Bible and Christianity and the theory of evolution are not compatible.

Perhaps to some, but not to all

It really depends on your level education, both Biblical and Scientific

If you haven't already done so - give this thread a careful read --- esp. Papias and Loudmouth's comments

 

[AV1611VET]

Question 3

... was answered here: 196

 

[lewiscalledhimmaster]

... was answered here: 196

How do you want to do this? --- point 1* is not even worth discussing, unless you'd like to embellish upon it

*- You say that Theistic Evolutionists : '....1. Interpret the Bible allegorically. ....'

 

[AV1611VET]

point 1* is not even worth discussing, unless you'd like to embellish upon it

I don't really care to embellish upon it.

You asked:

... how do you reconcile the two - your faith in Jesus and Evolution?

And I said they do it by allegorizing Genesis 1.

What's to discuss?

 

[SkyWriting]

Now here's question 1 : Is Evolution, really a BIG FAT LIE?

It has been used by big fat liars, but evolution is just a theory
used to explain some limited things. For most people it has
no value.

 

[pitabread]

It has been used by big fat liars, but evolution is just a theory
used to explain some limited things. For most people it has no value.

How would you know though? There is real-world application of evolutionary biology in various fields (agriculture, medical research, conservation biology, etc). You might be benefiting from it at this very moment and have no idea.

 

[SkyWriting]

How would you know though? There is real-world application of evolutionary biology in various fields (agriculture, medical research, conservation biology, etc). You might be benefiting from it at this very moment and have no idea.

And from antibiotics grown from old food under your bed as well.
But I don't see much value.

 

[pitabread]

And from antibiotics grown from old food under your bed as well.
But I don't see much value.

That's true of a lot of the technology which we currently enjoy. There are heaps of scientific research underpinning it, but we're oblivious to a lot of it. That doesn't, however, mean we're not benefiting from it.

There are also direct economic impacts given that this stuff is applied in industry (again, medicine and agriculture being prime examples).

Evolutionary biology is one of those things that I think a lot of people don't realize how much it's "out there" in the real world as opposed to being confined to dusty old textbooks.

 

[SkyWriting]

That's true of a lot of the technology which we currently enjoy. There is heaps of scientific research underpinning it, but we're oblivious to a lot of it. That doesn't, however, mean we're not benefiting from it.There are also direct economic impacts given that this stuff is applied in industry (again, medicine and agriculture being prime examples).

Must not be that big a deal then. Like dark matter.

 

[pitabread]

Must not be that big a deal then. Like dark matter.

You don't think medical research and agriculture are big deals?

 

[Kylie]

what is your definition of a tetrapod?

The superclass Tetrapoda (Ancient Greek τετραπόδηs tetrapodēs, "four-footed"), or the tetrapods /ˈtɛtrəpɒd/, comprises the first four-limbed vertebrates and their descendants, including the living and extinct amphibians, mammals, reptiles, (including birds), and some ancient, exclusively aquatic creatures such as the Acanthostega. Tetrapods belong to a group of animals called Tetrapodomorpha. These animals evolved from the lobe-finned fishes around 390 million years ago in the middle Devonian Period,[2] with modern tetrapod groups having appeared by the late Devonian, 367.5 million years ago.

Tetrapod - Wikipedia

 

[FredVB]

You don't think medical research and agriculture are big deals?

It doesn't appear that theories of dark matter and especially dark energy will be benefiting us technologically though.

 

[xianghua]

The superclass Tetrapoda (Ancient Greek τετραπόδηs tetrapodēs, "four-footed"), or the tetrapods /ˈtɛtrəpɒd/, comprises the first four-limbed vertebrates and their descendants, -

so if one of this group will evolve into a bacteria, it's still be a tetrapod?

 

[Loudmouth]

they are not the same type because they cant interbreed. but a dog and a wolf can interbreed. therefore they are the in same kind\family.

Why can't two species who share a common ancestor diverge enough that they are no longer able to interbreed?

 

[Loudmouth]

I used to believe in evolution because I was taught to believe in it at a very young age as everyone else. Though I have nothing against Christians that believe in evolution, when they try to harmonize evolution with the Bible, there are noticeable contradictions.

When many Christians face these contradictions they adapt their interpretation of the Bible to fit the facts of reality. It seems a bit silly to adhere to an interpretation of the Bible that is demonstrably wrong.

While they may "harmonize" one aspect of the Bible with evolution, there is always another aspect where there is a contradiction. Quite simply, the Bible and Christianity and the theory of evolution are not compatible.

That leads to the conclusion that the Bible is wrong and could not have been inspired by the deity who created this universe, if there is one.

 

[Loudmouth]

so if one of this group will evolve into a bacteria, it's still be a tetrapod?

No tetrapod has evolved into a bacteria.