Christians.. desecrating the Sabbath

[holo]

they walk on the foundation of the faith which is the law.

That's just too seriously completely wrong and contrary to what the bible teaches, that it can't be allowed to stand unchallenged.

The foundation of faith is NOT the law, in any way, shape or form! Where does that idea even come from!? Did Adam believe because of the law, somehow? Abraham? Even Moses? King David? Jesus? Paul? You?

No no no no no! The law is NOT the foundation of faith - in fact they're very much opposed to each other; one is the ministry of death, the other is the ministry of life. One demands that you perform well enough for God to love you, the other merely points to Christ, who has already done it all.

The law is not the foundation of faith, and neither is faith the foundation of the law. The law is for the wicked and ungodly, not for the righteous.

Galatians 3:12
The law is not based on faith; on the contrary, "The man who does these things will live by them."

 

[WailingWall]

"Still" to keep them? Are you jew, or under the old covenant? When exactly were gentiles, and believers under the new covenant, commanded to keep feasts or sabbaths?

1 Cor. 5:7-8
Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us: [8] Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.

Youll notice the Word does not say Christ our ishtar (easter), but says Christ our passover, as Christ fulfilled which was written of Him in the law. The shadow. Im not sure how you will claim that this scripture does not say "Let us keep the feast". But I am sure you will.

 

[WailingWall]

"The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath." -Jesus, Mark 2:27.

"I was in the Spirit on the Lord's Day . . ." -Apostle John, Revelation 1:10.

Early Christians rested on Sunday because that was the day that Jesus rose from the dead. We follow in their example. The Sabbath was made for man-- man was not made for the Sabbath. We're supposed to rest in Christ 24/7, not one day of the week:

"Come to Me, all you who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest." -Jesus, Matthew 11:28.

Yes. God did make the sabbath rest for man. So...why do you keep mans day of rest rather than the one God made?

The Lords day of rev. is speaking of the DAY OF THE LORD

REV.1 [7] Behold, HE COMETH WITH CLOUDS; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of THE EARTH SHALL WAIL because of him. Even so, Amen.[8] I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.[9] I John, who also am your brother, and companion in tribulation, and in the kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ, was in the isle that is called Patmos, for the word of God, and for the testimony of Jesus Christ.[10] I was in the Spirit on THE LORD'S DAY, and heard behind me a GREAT VOICE, as of A TRUMPET,

he cometh with clouds - of a trumpet - the Lord's day - a great voice - the earth shall wail

ZEPH.1 [14] The great DAY OF THE LORD is near, it is near, and hasteth greatly, even THE VOICE of the day of the LORD: the mighty man shall CRY THERE BITTERLY.[15] That day is a day of wrath, a day of trouble and distress, a day of wasteness and desolation, a day of darkness and gloominess, a DAY OF CLOUDS and thick darkness,[16] A day of THE TRUMPET and alarm against the fenced cities, and against the high towers

a day of clouds - of the trumpet - The great day of the LORD - even the voice - man shall cry there bitterly

Pretty simple to see. Yet another one liner shot down by scripture.

Early christians rested on sunday? Where in the bible do you find that? Please show me the scripture.

 

[holo]

1 Cor. 5:7-8
Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us: [8] Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.

Youll notice the Word does not say Christ our ishtar (easter), but says Christ our passover, as Christ fulfilled which was written of Him in the law. The shadow. Im not sure how you will claim that this scripture does not say "Let us keep the feast". But I am sure you will.

No, I will say that now that the reality has come, there's no reason to hang on to the shadows. Just like there's no need to go to a temple to worship, or to sacrifice animals, etc etc.

Jesus IS our passover. So let us keep Jesus.

 

[visionary]

Isaiah 58:12
And they that shall be of thee shall build the old waste places: thou shalt raise up the foundations of many generations; and thou shalt be called, The repairer of the breach, The restorer of paths to dwell in.


2 Timothy 2:19
Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.

 

[WailingWall]

Isaiah 58:12
And they that shall be of thee shall build the old waste places: thou shalt raise up the foundations of many generations; and thou shalt be called, The repairer of the breach, The restorer of paths to dwell in.


2 Timothy 2:19
Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.

Yup!

Jeremiah 16:16-19
Behold, I will send for many fishers, saith the Lord, and they shall fish them; and after will I send for many hunters, and they shall hunt them from every mountain, and from every hill, and out of the holes of the rocks. [17] For mine eyes are upon all their ways: they are not hid from my face, neither is their iniquity hid from mine eyes. [18] And first I will recompense their iniquity and their sin double; because they have defiled my land, they have filled mine inheritance with the carcases of their detestable and abominable things. [19] O Lord, my strength, and my fortress, and my refuge in the day of affliction, the Gentiles shall come unto thee from the ends of the earth, and shall say, Surely our fathers have inherited lies, vanity, and things wherein there is no profit.

Have a great sabbath Visionary

 

[WailingWall]

Isaiah 58:12
And they that shall be of thee shall build the old waste places: thou shalt raise up the foundations of many generations; and thou shalt be called, The repairer of the breach, The restorer of paths to dwell in.

Hi Vis Gold
A little more scripture on those "paths to dwell in"

JER.6 [16] Thus saith the LORD, Stand ye in the ways, and see, and ASK FOR THE OLD PATHS, where is the good way, and walk therein, AND YE SHALL FIND REST FOR YOUR SOULS. BUT THEY SAID, WE WILL NOT WALK THEREIN.[17] Also I set watchmen over you, saying, Hearken to the sound of the trumpet. But they said, We will not hearken.[18] Therefore hear, ye nations, and know, O congregation, what is among them.[19] Hear, O earth: behold, I will bring evil upon this people, even the fruit of their thoughts, because they have not hearkened unto my words, nor to my law, but rejected it.

Stand ye in the ways, and see, and ask for the old paths, where is the good way, and walk therein, and ye shall find rest for your souls. UNFORTUNATELY THEY WONT TAKE THAT WALK


ISAIAH 58 [12] And they that shall be of thee SHALL BUILD THE OLD WASTE PLACES: thou shalt RAISE UP THE FOUNDATIONS OF MANY GENERATIONS; and thou shalt be called, The repairer of the breach, THE RESTORER OF PATHS TO DWELL IN.[13] If thou turn away thy foot from the sabbath, from doing thy pleasure on my holy day; and call THE SABBATH a delight, the holy of the LORD, honourable; and shalt honour him, not doing thine own ways, nor finding thine own pleasure, nor speaking thine own words:[14] Then shalt thou delight thyself in the LORD; and I will cause thee to ride upon the high places of the earth, and feed thee with the heritage of Jacob thy father: for the mouth of the LORD hath spoken it.

And they that shall be of thee shall build the old waste places: thou shalt raise up the foundations of many generations; and thou shalt be called, The repairer of the breach, The restorer of paths to dwell in. If thou turn away thy foot from the sabbath, from doing thy pleasure on my holy day; and call the sabbath a delight,

ISAIAH 61 [1] The Spirit of the Lord GOD is upon me; because the LORD hath anointed me to preach good tidings unto the meek; he hath sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to them that are bound;[2] To proclaim the acceptable YEAR OF THE LORD, AND THE DAY OF VENGEANCE OF OUR GOD; to comfort all that mourn;[3] To appoint unto them that mourn in Zion, to give unto them beauty for ashes, the oil of joy for mourning, the garment of praise for the spirit of heaviness; that they might be called trees of righteousness, the planting of the LORD, that he might be glorified.[4] And THEY SHALL BUILD THE OLD WASTES, they shall RAISE UP THE FORMER DESOLATIONS, AND THEY SHALL REPAIR THE WASTE CITIES, THE DESOLATIONS OF MANY GENERATIONS.[5] And strangers shall stand and feed your flocks, and the sons of the alien shall be your plowmen and your vinedressers.[6] But ye shall be named the Priests of the LORD: men shall call you the Ministers of our God: ye shall eat the riches of the Gentiles, and in their glory shall ye boast yourselves.

You will notice in the above scripture the Word speaks of the Day of the Lord. Think about that.

PROVERBS 3 [1] My son, forget not my law; but let thine heart keep my commandments: [2] For length of days, and long life, and peace, shall they add to thee. [3] Let not mercy and truth forsake thee: bind them about thy neck; write them upon the table of thine heart: [4] So shalt thou find favour and good understanding in the sight of God and man. [5] Trust in the Lord with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding. [6] In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths.

My son, forget not my law; but let thine heart keep my commandments. In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths

 

[visionary]

That was so good.. I just had to highlight all the good parts.

Hi Vis Gold
A little more scripture on those "paths to dwell in"

JER.6 [16] Thus saith the LORD, Stand ye in the ways, and see, and ASK FOR THE OLD PATHS, where is the good way, and walk therein, AND YE SHALL FIND REST FOR YOUR SOULS. BUT THEY SAID, WE WILL NOT WALK THEREIN.[17] Also I set watchmen over you, saying, Hearken to the sound of the trumpet. But they said, We will not hearken.[18] Therefore hear, ye nations, and know, O congregation, what is among them.[19] Hear, O earth: behold, I will bring evil upon this people, even the fruit of their thoughts, because they have not hearkened unto my words, nor to my law, but rejected it.

Stand ye in the ways, and see, and ask for the old paths, where is the good way, and walk therein, and ye shall find rest for your souls. UNFORTUNATELY THEY WONT TAKE THAT WALK


ISAIAH 58 [12] And they that shall be of thee SHALL BUILD THE OLD WASTE PLACES: thou shalt RAISE UP THE FOUNDATIONS OF MANY GENERATIONS; and thou shalt be called, The repairer of the breach, THE RESTORER OF PATHS TO DWELL IN.[13] If thou turn away thy foot from the sabbath, from doing thy pleasure on my holy day; and call THE SABBATH a delight, the holy of the LORD, honourable; and shalt honour him, not doing thine own ways, nor finding thine own pleasure, nor speaking thine own words:[14] Then shalt thou delight thyself in the LORD; and I will cause thee to ride upon the high places of the earth, and feed thee with the heritage of Jacob thy father: for the mouth of the LORD hath spoken it.

And they that shall be of thee shall build the old waste places: thou shalt raise up the foundations of many generations; and thou shalt be called, The repairer of the breach, The restorer of paths to dwell in. If thou turn away thy foot from the sabbath, from doing thy pleasure on my holy day; and call the sabbath a delight,

ISAIAH 61 [1] The Spirit of the Lord GOD is upon me; because the LORD hath anointed me to preach good tidings unto the meek; he hath sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to them that are bound;[2] To proclaim the acceptable YEAR OF THE LORD, AND THE DAY OF VENGEANCE OF OUR GOD; to comfort all that mourn;[3] To appoint unto them that mourn in Zion, to give unto them beauty for ashes, the oil of joy for mourning, the garment of praise for the spirit of heaviness; that they might be called trees of righteousness, the planting of the LORD, that he might be glorified.[4] And THEY SHALL BUILD THE OLD WASTES, they shall RAISE UP THE FORMER DESOLATIONS, AND THEY SHALL REPAIR THE WASTE CITIES, THE DESOLATIONS OF MANY GENERATIONS.[5] And strangers shall stand and feed your flocks, and the sons of the alien shall be your plowmen and your vinedressers.[6] But ye shall be named the Priests of the LORD: men shall call you the Ministers of our God: ye shall eat the riches of the Gentiles, and in their glory shall ye boast yourselves.

You will notice in the above scripture the Word speaks of the Day of the Lord. Think about that.

PROVERBS 3 [1] My son, forget not my law; but let thine heart keep my commandments: [2] For length of days, and long life, and peace, shall they add to thee. [3] Let not mercy and truth forsake thee: bind them about thy neck; write them upon the table of thine heart: [4] So shalt thou find favour and good understanding in the sight of God and man. [5] Trust in the Lord with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding. [6] In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths.

My son, forget not my law; but let thine heart keep my commandments. In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths

Shabbat Shalom all

 

[holo]

Isaiah 58:12
And they that shall be of thee shall build the old waste places: thou shalt raise up the foundations of many generations; and thou shalt be called, The repairer of the breach, The restorer of paths to dwell in.


2 Timothy 2:19
Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.

So... is the sabbath the foundation of many generation? Is it the foundation of God?

Why don't you respond to the many points I and others have been raising, rather than just ignoring them and seemingly pretend there are no counter-arguments? Looks like the attitude that makes up sects if you ask me.

 

[holo]

Hi Vis Gold
A little more scripture on those "paths to dwell in"

JER.6 [16] Thus saith the LORD, Stand ye in the ways, and see, and ASK FOR THE OLD PATHS, where is the good way, and walk therein, AND YE SHALL FIND REST FOR YOUR SOULS. BUT THEY SAID, WE WILL NOT WALK THEREIN.[17] Also I set watchmen over you, saying, Hearken to the sound of the trumpet. But they said, We will not hearken.[18] Therefore hear, ye nations, and know, O congregation, what is among them.[19] Hear, O earth: behold, I will bring evil upon this people, even the fruit of their thoughts, because they have not hearkened unto my words, nor to my law, but rejected it.

Stand ye in the ways, and see, and ask for the old paths, where is the good way, and walk therein, and ye shall find rest for your souls. UNFORTUNATELY THEY WONT TAKE THAT WALK


ISAIAH 58 [12] And they that shall be of thee SHALL BUILD THE OLD WASTE PLACES: thou shalt RAISE UP THE FOUNDATIONS OF MANY GENERATIONS; and thou shalt be called, The repairer of the breach, THE RESTORER OF PATHS TO DWELL IN.[13] If thou turn away thy foot from the sabbath, from doing thy pleasure on my holy day; and call THE SABBATH a delight, the holy of the LORD, honourable; and shalt honour him, not doing thine own ways, nor finding thine own pleasure, nor speaking thine own words:[14] Then shalt thou delight thyself in the LORD; and I will cause thee to ride upon the high places of the earth, and feed thee with the heritage of Jacob thy father: for the mouth of the LORD hath spoken it.

And they that shall be of thee shall build the old waste places: thou shalt raise up the foundations of many generations; and thou shalt be called, The repairer of the breach, The restorer of paths to dwell in. If thou turn away thy foot from the sabbath, from doing thy pleasure on my holy day; and call the sabbath a delight,

ISAIAH 61 [1] The Spirit of the Lord GOD is upon me; because the LORD hath anointed me to preach good tidings unto the meek; he hath sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to them that are bound;[2] To proclaim the acceptable YEAR OF THE LORD, AND THE DAY OF VENGEANCE OF OUR GOD; to comfort all that mourn;[3] To appoint unto them that mourn in Zion, to give unto them beauty for ashes, the oil of joy for mourning, the garment of praise for the spirit of heaviness; that they might be called trees of righteousness, the planting of the LORD, that he might be glorified.[4] And THEY SHALL BUILD THE OLD WASTES, they shall RAISE UP THE FORMER DESOLATIONS, AND THEY SHALL REPAIR THE WASTE CITIES, THE DESOLATIONS OF MANY GENERATIONS.[5] And strangers shall stand and feed your flocks, and the sons of the alien shall be your plowmen and your vinedressers.[6] But ye shall be named the Priests of the LORD: men shall call you the Ministers of our God: ye shall eat the riches of the Gentiles, and in their glory shall ye boast yourselves.

You will notice in the above scripture the Word speaks of the Day of the Lord. Think about that.

PROVERBS 3 [1] My son, forget not my law; but let thine heart keep my commandments: [2] For length of days, and long life, and peace, shall they add to thee. [3] Let not mercy and truth forsake thee: bind them about thy neck; write them upon the table of thine heart: [4] So shalt thou find favour and good understanding in the sight of God and man. [5] Trust in the Lord with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding. [6] In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths.

My son, forget not my law; but let thine heart keep my commandments. In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths

That's cool, if you want to be an Israelite under the old covenant, go ahead. But I suggest you get yourself properly circumcised while you're at it, and I insist that you don't call it the gospel, which is something quite different. It's up to you if you want to try and find good favour with God by observing the sabbath or any other part of the law - but it will never have anything to do with the NEW covenant.

 

[WailingWall]

Is that they only give him the sabbath, when they should be giving him every day because that is what he deserves. He will not know you if you only give him the sabbath. A crisis will come and you will pray and nothing will happen.

Your right. You should walk everyday as a believer in Christ. Part of that walk is of course keeping His sabbath day that He says was created for all mankind (not only the Jews). If you do not keep His sabbath, again your right. You will pray. He will not hear. Your prayer will be an abomination to Him.

Proverbs 28:9
He that turneth away his ear from hearing the law, even his prayer shall be abomination.

 

[holo]

Your right. You should walk everyday as a believer in Christ. Part of that walk is of course keeping His sabbath day that He says was created for all mankind (not only the Jews). If you do not keep His sabbath, again your right. You will pray. He will not hear. Your prayer will be an abomination to Him.

Proverbs 28:9
He that turneth away his ear from hearing the law, even his prayer shall be abomination.

In other words, God hasn't heard any prayers from any christian ever, until the seventh day adventists came around? You don't really believe that, do you?

 

[ticker]

That's cool, if you want to be an Israelite under the old covenant, go ahead. But I suggest you get yourself properly circumcised while you're at it, and I insist that you don't call it the gospel, which is something quite different.

"Ouch!"

Old covenant BAD!

 

[WailingWall]

All the law-keepers I know live in the Old Covenant, and pay very little attention to the New Covenant. Now why is that?

Let me introduce myself. Hi, im WailingWall. I believe this new testament scripture

2 Tim. 3:16
All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

Do you?

Theres nothing in the new that wasnt written of in the old.

 

[WailingWall]

In other words, God hasn't heard any prayers from any christian ever, until the seventh day adventists came around? You don't really believe that, do you?

Hey Holo
Theres a church that was built in new england (still standing) somewhere by people escaping England around the time of the pilgrims. I believe they were called the quarto decimin. Not sure. Anyways they were sabbath keepers. Couple hundred years before the 7th day adventist came along. And im sure if i looked into it i would find sabbath keepers back to the time of Christ. Just as Paul kept Gods sabbath.

 

[visionary]

In other words, God hasn't heard any prayers from any christian ever, until the seventh day adventists came around? You don't really believe that, do you?

Acts 13:42
And when the Jews were gone out of the synagogue, the Gentiles besought that these words might be preached to them the next sabbath.

Deuteronomy 28:1
And it shall come to pass, if thou shalt hearken diligently unto the voice of the LORD thy God, to observe and to do all his commandments which I command thee this day, that the LORD thy God will set thee on high above all nations of the earth:

 

[visionary]

There are seven feasts of the Lord.. Check out Lev 23

Hi PK. Tell me which denominations within Christianity keep the Jewish Fri-Sat Sabbath? Are you saying those that aren't are sinners?

Matt 24:19 "Woe yet to those in belly having and to those suckling in those the days! 20 "Be ye praying yet that no may be becoming the flight of ye of winter neither a Sabbath.
http://www.davieapostolicchurch.com/studies/destuct/

The day on which Titus encompassed Jerusalem, was the feast of the Passover. At this season multitudes came up from all the surrounding country,

They are called the Lord's Sabbaths.

 

[WailingWall]

You have become estranged from Christ, you who attempt to be justified by the law; you have fallen from grace (Galatians 5:4).

Galatians 5:1-6,

1 Stand fast therefore in the liberty by which Christ has made us free, and do not be entangled again with a yoke of bondage. 2 Indeed I, Paul, say to you that if you become circumcised, Christ will profit you nothing. 3 And I testify again to every man who becomes circumcised that he is a debtor to keep the whole law. 4 You have become estranged from Christ, you who attempt to be justified by law; you have fallen from grace. 5 For we through the Spirit eagerly wait for the hope of righteousness by faith. 6 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision avails anything, but faith working through love.

The law of circumcisim has been abolished in Christ. Scripture below says the same thing.

1 Cor. 7:19
Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but the keeping of the commandments of God.

It also says we are to keep Gods 10 commandments

 

[TheCheat1]

I think we've been over this, but I'll repeat myself.

Your right. You should walk everyday as a believer in Christ. Part of that walk is of course keeping His sabbath day that He says was created for all mankind (not only the Jews). If you do not keep His sabbath, again your right. You will pray. He will not hear. Your prayer will be an abomination to Him.

Proverbs 28:9
He that turneth away his ear from hearing the law, even his prayer shall be abomination.

"Hearing" the Law-- the Hebrew means to "discern" or "consider". The fact is, no one does this (Romans 3:23), and that's the whole reason we need Jesus' atoning sacrifice!

"Ouch!"

Old covenant BAD!

No, not bad, just obsolete. God's Law is holy and just and righteous, but it has one purpose, and that's to bring the knowledge of sin (Romans).

Hey Holo
Theres a church that was built in new england (still standing) somewhere by people escaping England around the time of the pilgrims. I believe they were called the quarto decimin. Not sure. Anyways they were sabbath keepers. Couple hundred years before the 7th day adventist came along. And im sure if i looked into it i would find sabbath keepers back to the time of Christ. Just as Paul kept Gods sabbath.

Paul kept the Sabbath, yeah-- when he was a Jew. Read Galatians 2, Paul fought against keeping the Law!

The law of circumcisim has been abolished in Christ. Scripture below says the same thing.

1 Cor. 7:19
Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but the keeping of the commandments of God.

It also says we are to keep Gods 10 commandments

So now you're taking PART of the Old Covenant and saying it still applies, but the rest isn't? Pardon my language-- that's just plain unbiblical! If you keep ONE part, you have to keep ALL of it! James 2:10!

Galatians 5:3, "And I testify again to every man who becomes circumcised that he is a debtor to keep the whole Law."

Hebrews 8:13
In that He says, “A new covenant, ” He has made the first obsolete. Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.

The Old Covenant is obsolete. The Greek word "obsolete" here really means"obsolete"! It's no longer applicable!

Why is it obsolete? Because it was fulfilled! Matthew 5:17!

Where are we told to keep the Ten Commandments by Jesus? Here I thought His commandments were called "the law of Christ" (Galatians 6:2)?

 

[WailingWall]

That is exactly what Paul was fighting against.

And again, Galatians 3:24, "Therefore the law was our tutor to bring us to Christ, that we might be justified by faith."

V. 25, "But after faith has come, WE ARE NO LONGER UNDER A TUTOR."

"If righteousness comes through the law, Christ died in vain." -Galatians 2:21

There is no return to the Law (Galatians 2:11-21). The Bible states it clearly, Christ has freed us from the curse of the Law (Galatians 3:10-14)!

Before believing the Cheat is giving compelling evidence that we need not keep Gods 10 commandments by quoting galatians please go read the whole book.

How many times do you see circumscim mentioned in these 6, very short chapters? The LAW of circumscim is mentioned 16 times in one way or the other.

How many times do you see the word commandments mentioned? Yup. Zero. Notta. Zilch.

So why does the Cheat use one liners out of the book of galatians, saying we need not keep Gods 10 commandments. Circumsicion was a real big ordeal for the Jews. The whole book of galatians spoke on this matter. In Romans. All over the new testament the law of circumsion was discussed. Could you imagine how many books on the sabbath would have been written in the new testament if anyone tried to tell them they no longer needed to keep Gods sabbath day. Yikes! But....as you read through the new testament you will find not one word of this discussed. Anyone of you sunday keepers know why?