Christians are not going to be judged by the ten commandments.

[listed]

that special prayer worked for the thief on the cross , but usually we are not on the cross when we
"accept him" we are not reaping what we deserve!
when we
accept him AS LORD do we know what LORD even means ?
and do you know who you are even and that we are just like the thief ? do we know that ?
so until you/ we come to the full realization , who and what you are and what sin is and what is in us.. you haven't excepted his grace because chances are until then we don't think we need it.. and we won't think we deserve what the thief got .
maybe so far we only use his grace and his presence to FEEEEL better and to get something out of it . like the people did with the golden calf.. they felt good while they were having that orgies. they wanted only to be blessed by him, but they didn't want to give him anything ... not even three days.
that special prayer starts the process where he commits to bring us to the truth of who he is and who we are. then we are made Right/ous .

Your internet connection must have quit giving you problems.

 

[preacher4truth]

In order to not sin, we must be crucified with Christ. Paul speaks of it, it is called the baptism of death.

So Christians, 'those crucified with Christ' don't sin?

 

[NannaNae]

Do you think this fellow loved God? He certainly "loved" the child. According to posts here all that is needed is love. This man can not be Judge by God's Holy law as has been reported here, so by what standard would he be Judged?

our language is so lacking , consider the word 'love' . at least in the hebrew and greek it has like 7 words for it..
but the preacher I am sure said he 'loved' God and kids..
but he defiled both by the seeds of death and destruction he sowed.
love is not any kind of defilement is it ?

real love has no laws.. but that stuff isn't any kind of love.
in the mean time he has to have been preaching false doctrines and promoting hell and protecting the wolfs .. in God's churches. so not good

 

[listed]

How on earth did you get that from my post??? I didn't say that,the bible doesn't say that. I said we are forgiven--the blood of Jesus will cleanse us from sin on judgment day--that is, if course, if you have asked to be forgiven and have truly repented, which only God can determine. You want to party hearty, go right ahead. That judgment has no value is what MC is saying, not I. But then, I think all he has to do is go to his priest, confess and say 50 Hail Mary's and it's over and done with--the priest forgives you so,apparently, God has to, so he doesn't have anything to worry about, apparently that sidesteps the whole judgment day thing anyway. And what is the purpose of judgment day if your outcome has already been decided at your death? you either go to heaven or hell right after you die according to those who believe that. There is no judgment day for them--what is God going to do--ooops--sorry--you got sent to the wrong place so out you go and head on down to the other place?

I would ask you to read your post a couple times.

 

[preacher4truth]

i it is up to us.

Not quite. It's not our decision, it is His; John 1:13; Romans 9:16; James 1:18.

 

[listed]

What rest are you talking about? You mean rest from sins committed or the Sabbath?

You validate what I said. Thanks!

 

[listed]

" In Christ we don't sin"

In our area a christian pastor just got thrown in jail for child molestation( at least 20+ counts) .
I wonder what kind of preaching he did on the issues of if a christian can sin or not ..
I bet he believe he is forgiven even before he did all that to those kids .

I guarantee it won't do him much good..
Jesus said exactly what happens to these who harm children , HIS CHILDREN .
meaning especially preachers.
I suspect this Guy believes he is sinless because his denomination believes in OSAS .

might I suggest there isn't a special enough prayer for this.
Those poor kids !
pray for their healing guys!
you better believe christians can sin and will be judged either by our fruit or the law.
He won't be mocked we will reap what we sow!

Now we are discussing the sins of an individual and not the subject any more. Some people will do anything to wiggle out of a problem. I really do not think your post is on topic or within the scope of the thread.

 

[Chris12]

Right. Yet we in fact do.

Didn't you know Jesus conquered sin and death? Didn't you know He who is in you is greater than he who is in the world? Didn't you know Satan is crushed and defeated and sin has no power over you?

You don't have to anymore. I don't have to.

I choose life. I choose the promises of Jesus. I choose life.

 

[listed]

'That church'?

You must not understand what is going here or the organization the art work belongs to.

 

[Chris12]

Not quite. It's not our decision, it is His; John 1:13; Romans 9:16; James 1:18.

Octavius Winslow - Divine Predestination | The Reformed Reader

 

[BobRyan]

Didn't you know Jesus conquered sin and death? Didn't you know He who is in you is greater than he who is in the world? Didn't you know Satan is crushed and defeated and sin has no power over you?

You don't have to anymore. I don't have to.

I choose life. I choose the promises of Jesus. I choose life.

Which is what Paul says in Romans 6 and in Romans 8:5-8.

in Christ,

Bob

 

[BobRyan]

our language is so lacking , consider the word 'love' . at least in the hebrew and greek it has like 7 words for it..
but the preacher I am sure said he 'loved' God and kids..
but he defiled both by the seeds of death and destruction he sowed.
love is not any kind of defilement is it ?

real love has no laws.. but that stuff isn't any kind of love.
in the mean time he has to have been preaching false doctrines and promoting hell and protecting the wolfs .. in God's churches. so not good

notice how John states the case --

5 Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him.
2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.
3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.
4 For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith.

 

[BobRyan]

"Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.

In order to not sin, we must be crucified with Christ. Paul speaks of it, it is called the baptism of death.


Or do you not know that all of us who have been baptized into Christ Jesus have been baptized into His death? 4Therefore we have been buried with Him through baptism into death, so that as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, so we too might walk in newness of life. 5For if we have become united with Him in the likeness of His death, certainly we shall also be in the likeness of His resurrection

True - it is the saved saint that walks in obedience and the wicked lost "Cannot" do it.

Rom 8
5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.


1 Cor 7:19 "What matters is KEEPing the Commandments of God"

 

[listed]

True - it is the saved saint that walks in obedience and the wicked lost "Cannot" do it.

Rom 8
5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.


1 Cor 7:19 "What matters is KEEPing the Commandments of God"

More like the flesh (the old man) can not do it as you require and prove it is impossible.

 

[BobRyan]

So Christians, 'those crucified with Christ' don't sin?

1 John 3

4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
5 And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.
6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.
7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.
11 For this is the message that ye heard from the beginning, that we should love one another.
12 Not as Cain, who was of that wicked one, and slew his brother. And wherefore slew he him? Because his own works were evil, and his brother's righteous.
13 Marvel not, my brethren, if the world hate you.
14 We know that we have passed from death unto life, because we love the brethren. He that loveth not his brother abideth in death.
15 Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him.
16 Hereby perceive we the love of God, because he laid down his life for us: and we ought to lay down our lives for the brethren.
17 But whoso hath this world's good, and seeth his brother have need, and shutteth up his bowels of compassion from him, how dwelleth the love of God in him?
18 My little children, let us not love in word, neither in tongue; but in deed and in truth.

John does not say "I never sin" neither does John say the Christian must claim that he "must sin" or that all Christians must sin.

Rather John says the Christian must not sin and "not to be deceived".

in Christ,

Bob

 

[NannaNae]

Now we are discussing the sins of an individual and not the subject any more. Some people will do anything to wiggle out of a problem. I really do not think your post is on topic or within the scope of the thread.

well truth has to walk and talk..in real life . not just theory of theology and the theory of sin.. and

your theories have to walk
the theory of how christ over comes in the raging consuming black holes of destruction didn't proving out . this christian sinned the greatest sin from behind the pulpit even. and every child in his church now believes there is no such things as sin. So whatever it was that he was preaching never helped him overcome anything. Maybe because he had convinced himself he didn't need to have fruit in his fruit and or life in his life ..
Your theories have to walk and talk or they are as dead in sin and destruction as that preacher is .

BY his grace on the cross he will weight the the life in our life and fruit in our fruit and if there is none of these , we leave him with NO option.. but to then judge us with the law. just because we used his name in vain and are thus subject to the laws of idolatry because we did not subject ourselves to his Lordship. .

 

[BobRyan]

More like the flesh (the old man) can not do it as you require and prove it is impossible.

Romans 8 does not say that.

He contrast the saved vs the lost - different people "They that",,,,, not "different natures in one and the same person".

Rom 8
5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.

 

[listed]

well truth has to walk and talk..in real life . not just theory of theology and the theory of sin.. and

your theories have to walk
the theory of how christ over comes in the raging consuming black holes of destruction didn't proving out . this christian sinned the greatest sin from behind the pulpit even. and every child in his church now believes there is no such things as sin. So whatever it was that he was preaching never helped him overcome anything. Maybe because he had convinced himself he didn't need to have fruit in his fruit and or life in his life ..
Your theories have to walk and talk or they are as dead in sin and destruction as that preacher is .

BY his grace on the cross he will weight the the life in our life and fruit in our fruit and if there is none of these , we leave him with NO option.. but to then judge us with the law. just because we used his name in vain and are thus subject to the laws of idolatry because we did not subject ourselves to his Lordship. .

What is your proof the preacher was a Christian. There are many pagans in church pulpits making easy money. It is nothing more than a meaningless job to them. They care about nothing. I worked for 1 of them for a year.

 

[BobRyan]

Why does the person in the hypothetical picture you've provided have to be a Christian? Is there proof that this picture provided is showing a Christian standing before the Christ of God, or does it depict a lost man?

The Christian will be judged for the things done in his body to receive what is due (2 Corinthians 5:10). The law served to show us we all fall sort and are all sinners. It's done its judging in that sense here, and shows that all are sinners.

Certainly you are right that in the life of the Christian the Law does its work first by convicting us when we are lost - or when we sin that sin brings condemnation and death - and so the Gospel solution is to be accepted now - in this life.

But in in 1Cor 6 Paul speaks to Christians in the Church this way -

8 Nay, ye do wrong, and defraud, and that your brethren.
9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.

So also in James 2 - does James speak to the church.

in Christ,

Bob

 

[Chris12]

Romans 8 does not say that.

He contrast the saved vs the lost - different people,,,,, not "different natures".

Rom 8
5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.

This is referring to something else though.. it is referring to TRYING!

See.. I didn't understand about the whole, no sinning thing. Every single Christian I have ever met sins! Never once met one without some sin they do.. so the Holy Spirit taught me this...

After I was saved, the Holy Spirit said about a thing, you don't need this.. and don't do this thing..

well.. I didn't really get it.. I was trying and trying and trying.. but all my trying was with no avail.. I couldn't not do it!

Finally it dawned on me one thing..

STOP TRYING!

See, Christ did it already.. Christ conquered ... it is not ME who can stop, it is CHRIST who stops for me! It is Christ.. not me.. who CAN!

You literally have to leave it to Christ, and have FAITH.. that the work was done, that your sin no longer has any power over you... and then you can put it down as if it was nothing!

A house divided cannot stand! You must let Christ do the driving! Once you completely LET GO.. you don't sin anymore!

This is the testimony of Jesus.. this is dying to self, this is being crucified with Christ. This.. this letting go... and its FREEING!