Christians are not going to be judged by the ten commandments.

[MoreCoffee]

The Ten Commandments says for one: Thou shall not steal. Your position is that I will not be Judge by the said command. What dose that mean if not that I can not be Judge for stealing? Explain to us all!

The gospels tell us that we ought to be content with what we have and to love our enemies, one does not steal from one's beloved. Have you not read these things in the gospels?

 

[listed]

If it is true that all the texts I gave in my answer to the question - are to be tossed out the window -- then your post is correct ... that would be a problem.

in Christ,

Bob

Not if what you present was in context and agreement with the rest of the Scripture. You are pitting Scripture against itself causing others problems in evangelizing the lost. In short you are standing in the way of sinners believing and coming to a saving knowledge of Jesus. The pagan is justified by your confused gospel.

 

[NannaNae]

here is the understanding we have come to in my family.
when God told all the jews to prepare themselves then to "come up" the mountain they refused. so he created the law.. which they didn't like either. and made lots of laws to shirt those laws..

Now our only option if we want to use his name, and not in vain...
is to do the law completely or prepare ourselves and " come up " the mountain when he calls us .

how he will judge how prepared we are is kind of like those 10 virgins.. it wasn't 5 hookers and 5 virgins.. it was 5 and 5 who thought they had prepared.. so be prepared..

of those prepared and ready to GO UP and or ready to do what he tells us to do , when he tells us too.. because we know the trumpet call and His voice are ready and are obedient. and not afraid to deal with him face to face. which those who were still in their minds were slaves of Pharoah were unwilling to meet him face to face and unwilling to prepare themselves.

what judges us ...
we judge ourselves.
well we condemn ourselves by what owns us.

of our works everything goes through the fire and all things hay wood and stubble , just everything of man's vanity and mankind values burns up ..
because really what is true ?
everything that God believes .
what is a lie, everything man believes that isn't what God believes. if we are in pursuits of our own vain imagination. it is for nothing it is just stubble.


yes the law is to judge 'christians' and " jews " (maybe islam so I don't even consider them that way.., but maybe he does for judgement , because that is how we are to judge the fruit of peoples lives too to see if it is him or man vanity ) and anyone pretending to use his name for their own purposes.... or thus those who use his name in vain by applying his name to their own golden calves.

and our deeds that are judged by fire .. it will look like the allegory of the talents . 10, 5 and 1.

(sorry guys my internet is all messed up so I won't be responding for a few weeks .. I will check this then.)

 

[listed]

here is the understanding we have come to in my family.
when God told all the jews to prepare themselves then to "come up" the mountain they refused. so he created the law.. which they didn't like either. and made lots of laws to shirt those laws..

Now our only option if we want to use his name, and not in vain...
is to do the law completely or prepare ourselves and " come up " the mountain when he calls us .

how he will judge how prepared we are is kind of like those 10 virgins.. it wasn't 5 hookers and 5 virgins.. it was 5 and 5 who thought they had prepared.. so be prepared..

of those prepared and ready to GO UP and or ready to do what he tells us to do , when he tells us too.. because we know the trumpet call and His voice are ready and are obedient. and not afraid to deal with him face to face. which those who were still in their minds were slaves of Pharoah were unwilling to meet him face to face and unwilling to prepare themselves.

what judges us ...
we judge ourselves.
well we condemn ourselves by what owns us.

of our works everything goes through the fire and all things hay wood and stubble , just everything of man's vanity and mankind values burns up ..
because really what is true ?
everything that God believes .
what is a lie, everything man believes that isn't what God believes. if we are in pursuits of our own vain imagination. it is for nothing it is just stubble.


yes the law is to judge 'christians' and " jews " (maybe islam so I don't even consider them that way.., but maybe he does for judgement , because that is how we are to judge the fruit of peoples lives too to see if it is him or man vanity ) and anyone pretending to use his name for their own purposes.... or thus those who use his name in vain by applying his name to their own golden calves.

and our deeds that are judged by fire .. it will look like the allegory of the talents . 10, 5 and 1.

(sorry guys my internet is all messed up so I won't be responding for a few weeks .. I will check this then.)

So sorry you can not accept grace and decided to be ruled by the law not given to you.

 

[NannaNae]

that special prayer worked for the thief on the cross , but usually we are not on the cross when we
"accept him" we are not reaping what we deserve!
when we
accept him AS LORD do we know what LORD even means ?
and do you know who you are even and that we are just like the thief ? do we know that ?
so until you/ we come to the full realization , who and what you are and what sin is and what is in us.. you haven't excepted his grace because chances are until then we don't think we need it.. and we won't think we deserve what the thief got .
maybe so far we only use his grace and his presence to FEEEEL better and to get something out of it . like the people did with the golden calf.. they felt good while they were having that orgies. they wanted only to be blessed by him, but they didn't want to give him anything ... not even three days.
that special prayer starts the process where he commits to bring us to the truth of who he is and who we are. then we are made Right/ous .

 

[Elder 111]

Originally Posted by Elder 111

The Ten Commandments says for one: Thou shall not steal. Your position is that I will not be Judge by the said command. What dose that mean if not that I can not be Judge for stealing? Explain to us all!
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The gospels tell us that we ought to be content with what we have and to love our enemies, one does not steal from one's beloved. Have you not read these things in the gospels?

Is it that simple? How many men say they love their wives and still commit adultery? How many Christians say they love God and their brothers and sisters and still commit evils against them? Did not Peter love Jesus and yet he denied Him thrice. So in the Judgment they will not be Judged by love? I speak not in the case of Peter who would have had forgiveness.

 

[mmksparbud]

Then judgment has no real value. Why not party hearty?

How on earth did you get that from my post??? I didn't say that,the bible doesn't say that. I said we are forgiven--the blood of Jesus will cleanse us from sin on judgment day--that is, if course, if you have asked to be forgiven and have truly repented, which only God can determine. You want to party hearty, go right ahead. That judgment has no value is what MC is saying, not I. But then, I think all he has to do is go to his priest, confess and say 50 Hail Mary's and it's over and done with--the priest forgives you so,apparently, God has to, so he doesn't have anything to worry about, apparently that sidesteps the whole judgment day thing anyway. And what is the purpose of judgment day if your outcome has already been decided at your death? you either go to heaven or hell right after you die according to those who believe that. There is no judgment day for them--what is God going to do--ooops--sorry--you got sent to the wrong place so out you go and head on down to the other place?

 

[preacher4truth]

Some teach that come judgement day christians will stand before the ten commandments and be required to answer for every transgression. These teachers even have icons depicting the last judgement with huge tablets of stone and the numerals of the ten commandments prominently displayed on the tablets.

That teaching is not true.

Why does the person in the hypothetical picture you've provided have to be a Christian? Is there proof that this picture provided is showing a Christian standing before the Christ of God, or does it depict a lost man?

The Christian will be judged for the things done in his body to receive what is due (2 Corinthians 5:10). The law served to show us we all fall sort and are all sinners. It's done its judging in that sense here, and shows that all are sinners.

 

[Chris12]

hahahahaha

Oh just the first page of this thread is funny as all get out!

For those hoping to follow the law, know they will be judged by it!

 

[Elder 111]

What is the big deal Elder? You simply void the law with an superficial I'm sorry and go on your merry way. Seems to me what you really say is you superficially repent and are still judged about the matter. This is evidence you are not forgiven or have avoided the law. OTH those promoting straight up grace have that rest Israel could not have. You do not have that rest either.

What rest are you talking about? You mean rest from sins committed or the Sabbath?

 

[Chris12]

Why does the person in the hypothetical picture you've provided have to be a Christian? Is there proof that this picture provided is showing a Christian standing before the Christ of God, or does it depict a lost man?

The Christian will be judged for the things done in his body to receive what is due (2 Corinthians 5:10). The law served to show us we all fall sort and are all sinners. It's done its judging in that sense here, and shows that all are sinners.

In Christ we don't sin. In Christ... not apart from Christ. Any trying we would do, would fail. Only in Christ can we be purified and holy.

We have to rest all our faith in HIM, in HIS finished and perfected work, in order to be blameless before God.

It is possible only through faith in Christ Jesus. Not through the law itself.

 

[NannaNae]

" In Christ we don't sin"

In our area a christian pastor just got thrown in jail for child molestation( at least 20+ counts) .
I wonder what kind of preaching he did on the issues of if a christian can sin or not ..
I bet he believe he is forgiven even before he did all that to those kids .

I guarantee it won't do him much good..
Jesus said exactly what happens to these who harm children , HIS CHILDREN .
meaning especially preachers.
I suspect this Guy believes he is sinless because his denomination believes in OSAS .

might I suggest there isn't a special enough prayer for this.
Those poor kids !
pray for their healing guys!
you better believe christians can sin and will be judged either by our fruit or the law.
He won't be mocked we will reap what we sow!

 

[Elder 111]

In our area a christian pastor just got thrown in jail for child molestation .
I wonder what kind of preaching he did on how christian can't sin..
I bet he believe he is forgiven.

I guarantee it won't do him much good..
Jesus said exactly what happens to these who harm children , especially preachers.
I suspect this Guy believes he is sinless also because his denomination believes in OSAS .

might I suggest there isn't a special enough prayer for this. the poor kids.

Do you think this fellow loved God? He certainly "loved" the child. According to posts here all that is needed is love. This man can not be Judge by God's Holy law as has been reported here, so by what standard would he be Judged?

 

[preacher4truth]

In Christ we don't sin. In Christ... not apart from Christ. Any trying we would do, would fail. Only in Christ can we be purified and holy.

We have to rest all our faith in HIM, in HIS finished and perfected work, in order to be blameless before God.

It is possible only through faith in Christ Jesus. Not through the law itself.

Yes, I understand this, yet in Christ we still do sin -- 1 John 1:8; Romans 7:18 &c.

My point was why the OP assumed the person in the picture being judged 'by the law' was a Christian.

 

[Chris12]

" In Christ we don't sin"

In our area a christian pastor just got thrown in jail for child molestation( at least 20+ counts) .
I wonder what kind of preaching he did on the issues of if a christian can sin or not ..
I bet he believe he is forgiven even before he did all that to those kids .

I guarantee it won't do him much good..
Jesus said exactly what happens to these who harm children , HIS CHILDREN .
meaning especially preachers.
I suspect this Guy believes he is sinless because his denomination believes in OSAS .

might I suggest there isn't a special enough prayer for this.
Those poor kids !
pray for their healing guys!
you better believe christians can sin and will be judged either by our fruit or the law.
He won't be mocked we will reap what we sow!

"Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.

In order to not sin, we must be crucified with Christ. Paul speaks of it, it is called the baptism of death.


Or do you not know that all of us who have been baptized into Christ Jesus have been baptized into His death? 4Therefore we have been buried with Him through baptism into death, so that as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, so we too might walk in newness of life. 5For if we have become united with Him in the likeness of His death, certainly we shall also be in the likeness of His resurrection

 

[Chris12]

Yes, I understand this, yet in Christ we still do sin -- 1 John 1:8; Romans 7:18 &c.

We don't have to.

 

[listed]

Yes, I understand this, yet in Christ we still do sin -- 1 John 1:8; Romans 7:18 &c.

My point was why the OP assumed the person in the picture being judged 'by the law' was a Christian.

Could be because that church teaches such and the art work is property of that church. Seems a reasonable conclusion to me.

 

[NannaNae]

"Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.

In order to not sin, we must be crucified with Christ. Paul speaks of it, it is called the baptism of death.


Or do you not know that all of us who have been baptized into Christ Jesus have been baptized into His death? 4Therefore we have been buried with Him through baptism into death, so that as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, so we too might walk in newness of life. 5For if we have become united with Him in the likeness of His death, certainly we shall also be in the likeness of His resurrection

in the mean time this preacher was teaching a false doctrines of probably a light a cheap fluffy love... a lie to his congregation! maybe even lies which says christians can't sin.. and are forgiven before they sin even..
not one which is the truth
God will not be mocked as a man sows so shall he reap. and it is appointed once for a man to die then judgement. now through Christ by his grace he can weigh our fruits and if we have no fruits of the spirit and no life in our life.. then by the law. it is up to us.

 

[preacher4truth]

We don't have to.

Right. Yet we in fact do.

 

[preacher4truth]

Could be because that church teaches such and the art work is property of that church. Seems a reasonable conclusion to me.

'That church'?