Christians are not going to be judged by the ten commandments.

[MoreCoffee]

BobRyan, do you believe that you will be judged on the basis of your conformity to the ten commandments?

 

[BobRyan]

In the "actual Bible" the definition of sin -- 1 John 3:4 "sin is transgression of the Law" KJV

According to Paul - John is correct to say 1 John 3:4 "sin is transgression of the Law" KJV

Rom 7:7 7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.

Romans 4:15 15 for the Law brings about wrath, but where there is no law, there also is no violation.

Romans 3
31 Do we then nullify the Law through faith? May it never be! On the contrary, we establish the Law.

Romans 2:13
13 for it is not the hearers of the Law who are just before God, but the doers of the Law will be justified.

Catholic NewAdvent
"Here we have to deal with moral evil only. This may be defined as a privation of conformity to right reason and to the law of God. Since the morality of a human act consists in its agreement or non-agreement with right reason and the eternal law, an act is good or evil in the moral order according as it involves this agreement or non-agreement. When the intelligent creature, knowing God and His law, deliberately refuses to obey, moral evil results. "
CATHOLIC ENCYCLOPEDIA: Sin

Never heard of a translation called "actual bible", is it a modified KJV for use in devotions?

I think it is a term that is used instead of "until we read the actual Bible where it says the following ".

 

[BobRyan]

BobRyan, do you believe that you will be judged on the basis of your conformity to the ten commandments?

I believe the following --

Dan 7:22 there comes a day when "judgment is passed in favor of the saints" NASB -- at which point all persecution of the saints ends and we have the 2nd coming - according to Dan 7.

I believe God's Law defines sin.

1John 3:4 "sin IS transgression of the Law"




1Cor 6 -

9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.

Romans 6
14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.
15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.
16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?


I believe the saints are judged "by the Law of liberty" as James says when he quotes from the TEN Commandments

2 Cor 5:10
10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.

James 2
10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
11 For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.
12 So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.


Even the RCC admits the Law of James 2 is the moral law of God - the TEN Commandments and to break one is to break them all.

Romans 2:6-16 describes how the judgment works --

 

[MoreCoffee]

It's a good question. BobRyan, do you believe that you will be judged on the basis of your conformity to the ten commandments?

 

[BobRyan]

In Matt 7 and in Romans 2 the issue is the same "not everyone who SAYS Lord Lord will enter the kingdom of heaven - but he who DOES the will of My Father... he who hears my Words and does them..." Matt 7.

Romans 2 "Not the hearers of the LAW are JUST before God but the DOERS of the law Will be justified...on the day when according to my GOSPEL God will judge".

Because as we are told in Romans 8:5-8 the wicked/the-lost do not submit to the Law of God -- neither indeed CAN they for they are hostile toward God. But the saints do walk in accord with His Law.

1John 5:1-4 makes this point perfectly.

The fruit of the saints is being evaluated in heaven - starting with the cases of the dead "and the time came for the dead to be judged" Rev 11.

in Christ,

Bob

 

[BobRyan]

It's a good question. BobRyan, do you believe that you will be judged on the basis of your conformity to the ten commandments?

2 Cor 5:10
10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.

our names will come up in the judgment and our cases will be brought before the Dan 7:9-10 court and for the saints "judgment passed in favor of the saints" as Dan 7:22 states. But the basis for that is in the Matt 7 principle Christ explains for us.

The picture you show - depicts the person - in reality it is the person in form of their name "court sat - and the books were opened" Dan 7:10. That process has begun and it starts with the cases of the dead - from the days of Adam to this very day.

Rev 14
6 And I saw another angel flying in midheaven, having an eternal gospel to preach to those who live on the earth, and to every nation and tribe and tongue and people; 7 and he said with a loud voice, “Fear God, and give Him glory, because the hour of His judgment has come; worship Him who made the heaven and the earth and sea and springs of waters.”

 

[MoreCoffee]

It's a good question. BobRyan, do you believe that you will be judged on the basis of your conformity to the ten commandments?

2 Cor 5:10 10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.

You've not said what you believe but if I suppose that you think the verse you quoted answers for you, on your behalf, what do you think it means?

Do you think that you will be judged on the basis of your conformity to the ten commandments?

 

[BobRyan]

I believe Christ tells the truth in Matt 7 -- and that is not at all hard to read.

In Matt 7 and in Romans 2 the issue is the same "not everyone who SAYS Lord Lord will enter the kingdom of heaven - but he who DOES the will of My Father... he who hears my Words and does them..." Matt 7.

I believe Paul tells the truth in 2Cor 5:10 -- and that it is not at all hard to read.
2 Cor 5:10
10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.

I believe James tells the truth in James 2 -- and that it is not at all hard to read
James 2
10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
11 For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.
12 So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.

For the saints - our names are there physically in Dan 7:9-10 but we are not.

For the wicked - their names are there physically in Dan 7:9-10 and they are not -- but they are there physically in Rev 20 and judged according to the deeds done in the body and then thrown into the lake of fire.

The Law of God - the moral law of God defines sin as 1John 3:4 states and even your own NewAdvent seems to get the point to some degree. And God will judge the fruit of the saints to demonstrate whether they are truly born again walking in the new birth -- new creation showing the fruit of the spirit. If they are - then they are not walking in rebellion against God but they are walking as 1John 3 insists and 1John 5:1-4 insists, as Christ insists in Matt 7 and Paul stated they will be walking in Romans 2:6-16.

Rom 2

6 who will render to each person according to his deeds: 7 to those who by perseverance in doing good seek for glory and honor and immortality, eternal life; 8 but to those who are selfishly ambitious and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, wrath and indignation. 9 There will be tribulation and distress for every soul of man who does evil, of the Jew first and also of the Greek, 10 but glory and honor and peace to everyone who does good, to the Jew first and also to the Greek. 11 For there is no partiality with God.
12 For all who have sinned without the Law will also perish without the Law, and all who have sinned under the Law will be judged by the Law;

13for it is not the hearers of the Law who are just before God, but the doers of the Law will be justified. 14 For when Gentiles who do not have the Law do instinctively the things of the Law, these, not having the Law, are a law to themselves, 15 in that they show the work of the Law written in their hearts, their conscience bearing witness and their thoughts alternately accusing or else defending them, 16 on the day when, according to my gospel, God will judge the secrets of men through Christ Jesus.

living a life of obedience can only be done by the one who is first born again and filled with the Holy Spirit "It is no longer I who live but Christ lives in me and the life I live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God" Gal 2:20

So then who are those who are born-again and it is no longer they who live? Christ said "by their fruit you shall know them" - it is the objective model they are using in Dan 7:9-10 to pass judgment in favor of the saints Dan 7:22

 

[MoreCoffee]

but BobRyan, do you believe that you will be judged on the basis of your conformity to the ten commandments?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RnO8BfYqbbg

 

[BobRyan]

but BobRyan, do you believe that you will be judged on the basis of your conformity to the ten commandments?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RnO8BfYqbbg

I believe the Bible --

I believe Christ tells the truth in Matt 7 -- and that is not at all hard to read.

In Matt 7 and in Romans 2 the issue is the same "not everyone who SAYS Lord Lord will enter the kingdom of heaven - but he who DOES the will of My Father... he who hears my Words and does them..." Matt 7.

I believe Paul tells the truth in 2Cor 5:10 -- and that it is not at all hard to read.
2 Cor 5:10
10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.

I believe James tells the truth in James 2 -- and that it is not at all hard to read
James 2
10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
11 For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.
12 So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.

For the saints - our names are there physically in Dan 7:9-10 but we are not.

For the wicked - their names are there physically in Dan 7:9-10 and they are not -- but they are there physically in Rev 20 and judged according to the deeds done in the body and then thrown into the lake of fire.

The Law of God - the moral law of God defines sin as 1John 3:4 states and even your own NewAdvent seems to get the point to some degree. And God will judge the fruit of the saints to demonstrate whether they are truly born again walking in the new birth -- new creation showing the fruit of the spirit. If they are - then they are not walking in rebellion against God but they are walking as 1John 3 insists and 1John 5:1-4 insists, as Christ insists in Matt 7 and Paul stated they will be walking in Romans 2:6-16.

Rom 2

6 who will render to each person according to his deeds: 7 to those who by perseverance in doing good seek for glory and honor and immortality, eternal life; 8 but to those who are selfishly ambitious and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, wrath and indignation. 9 There will be tribulation and distress for every soul of man who does evil, of the Jew first and also of the Greek, 10 but glory and honor and peace to everyone who does good, to the Jew first and also to the Greek. 11 For there is no partiality with God.
12 For all who have sinned without the Law will also perish without the Law, and all who have sinned under the Law will be judged by the Law;

13for it is not the hearers of the Law who are just before God, but the doers of the Law will be justified. 14 For when Gentiles who do not have the Law do instinctively the things of the Law, these, not having the Law, are a law to themselves, 15 in that they show the work of the Law written in their hearts, their conscience bearing witness and their thoughts alternately accusing or else defending them, 16 on the day when, according to my gospel, God will judge the secrets of men through Christ Jesus.

living a life of obedience can only be done by the one who is first born again and filled with the Holy Spirit "It is no longer I who live but Christ lives in me and the life I live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God" Gal 2:20

So then who are those who are born-again and it is no longer they who live? Christ said "by their fruit you shall know them" - it is the objective model they are using in Dan 7:9-10 to pass judgment in favor of the saints Dan 7:22

 

[MoreCoffee]

Do you, BobRyan, think that you will be judged for your salvation on the basis of your conformity to the ten commandments? Will you gain eternal life because you conformed to the ten commandments and lose it if you did not conform to then ten commandments?

 

[mmksparbud]

You've not said what you believe but if I suppose that you think the verse you quoted answers for you, on your behalf, what do you think it means?

Do you think that you will be judged on the basis of your conformity to the ten commandments?

ahhhh---Coffee----what more do you want?--All those verses doesn't answer it for you? All are judged by the law--however--we are saved by grace.--judged, saved--2 different things. We may be judged as not having met the law, but we are saved by the love of God's grace, His Sons blood having washed our transgressions.
Remember the sacrificial system--a picture of the new--the sacrifice paid the price of sin--but the sin remains, so what is done with it??---the High Priest transferred them to the scapegoat. Christ paid the price for our sins, His death bought us, His blood washes away our sin--then Christ, our High Priest, will transfer them to the scapegoat--Satan--he gets the blame, and he will be destroyed and all sin with him. And we all live happily ever after. The end.

 

[BobRyan]

Do you, BobRyan, think that you will be judged for your salvation on the basis of your conformity to the ten commandments? Will you gain eternal life because you conformed to the ten commandments and lose it if you did not conform to then ten commandments?

I think the Bible statements below are more obvious to the objective unbiased reader than you appear to have imagined to yourself.

I believe the Bible --

I believe Christ tells the truth in Matt 7 -- and that chapter of the Bible is not at all hard to read.

In Matt 7 and in Romans 2 the issue is the same "not everyone who SAYS Lord Lord will enter the kingdom of heaven - but he who DOES the will of My Father... he who hears my Words and does them..." Matt 7.

I believe Paul tells the truth in 2Cor 5:10 -- and that it is not at all hard to read.
2 Cor 5:10
10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.

I believe James tells the truth in James 2 -- and that it is not at all hard to read
James 2
10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
11 For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.
12 So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.

For the saints - our names are there physically in Dan 7:9-10 but we are not.

For the wicked - their names are there physically in Dan 7:9-10 and they are not -- but they are there physically in Rev 20 and judged according to the deeds done in the body and then thrown into the lake of fire.

The Law of God - the moral law of God defines sin as 1John 3:4 states and even your own NewAdvent seems to get the point to some degree. And God will judge the fruit of the saints to demonstrate whether they are truly born again walking in the new birth -- new creation showing the fruit of the spirit. If they are - then they are not walking in rebellion against God but they are walking as 1John 3 insists and 1John 5:1-4 insists, as Christ insists in Matt 7 and Paul stated they will be walking in Romans 2:6-16.

Rom 2

6 who will render to each person according to his deeds: 7 to those who by perseverance in doing good seek for glory and honor and immortality, eternal life; 8 but to those who are selfishly ambitious and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, wrath and indignation. 9 There will be tribulation and distress for every soul of man who does evil, of the Jew first and also of the Greek, 10 but glory and honor and peace to everyone who does good, to the Jew first and also to the Greek. 11 For there is no partiality with God.
12 For all who have sinned without the Law will also perish without the Law, and all who have sinned under the Law will be judged by the Law;

13for it is not the hearers of the Law who are just before God, but the doers of the Law will be justified. 14 For when Gentiles who do not have the Law do instinctively the things of the Law, these, not having the Law, are a law to themselves, 15 in that they show the work of the Law written in their hearts, their conscience bearing witness and their thoughts alternately accusing or else defending them, 16 on the day when, according to my gospel, God will judge the secrets of men through Christ Jesus.

living a life of obedience can only be done by the one who is first born again and filled with the Holy Spirit "It is no longer I who live but Christ lives in me and the life I live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God" Gal 2:20

So then who are those who are born-again and it is no longer they who live? Christ said "by their fruit you shall know them" - it is the objective model they are using in Dan 7:9-10 to pass judgment in favor of the saints Dan 7:22

 

[MoreCoffee]

Do you, BobRyan, think that you will be judged for your salvation on the basis of your conformity to the ten commandments? Will you gain eternal life because you conformed to the ten commandments and lose it if you did not conform to then ten commandments?

ahhhh---Coffee----what more do you want?--All those verses doesn't answer it for you? All are judged by the law--however--we are saved by grace.--judged, saved--2 different things. We may be judged as not having met the law, but we are saved by the love of God's grace, His Son's blood having washed our transgressions.

Remember the sacrificial system--a picture of the new--the sacrifice paid the price of sin--but the sin remains, so what is done with it??---the High Priest transferred them to the scapegoat. Christ paid the price for our sins, His death bought us, His blood washes away our sin--then Christ, our High Priest, will transfer them to the scapegoat--Satan--he gets the blame, and he will be destroyed and all sin with him. And we all live happily ever after. The end.

I think the Bible statements below are more obvious to the objective unbiased reader than you appear to have imagined to yourself.

I believe the Bible --

A "yes" or a "no" would suffice as an answer for the question. If you're not sure then a "I do not know" would be sufficient. After the answer any amount of explanation can be added. I will nor complain. All I want, however, is a yes or a not or a I-don't-know.

So, do you, BobRyan, think that you will be judged for your salvation on the basis of your conformity to the ten commandments? Will you gain eternal life because you conformed to the ten commandments and lose it if you did not conform to then ten commandments?

 

[BobRyan]

Do you, BobRyan, think that you will be judged for your salvation on the basis of your conformity to the ten commandments? Will you gain eternal life because you conformed to the ten commandments and lose it if you did not conform to then ten commandments?

I think the Bible statements below are more obvious to the objective unbiased reader than you appear to have imagined to yourself.

I believe the Bible --

I believe Christ tells the truth in Matt 7 -- and that chapter of the Bible is not at all hard to read.

In Matt 7 and in Romans 2 the issue is the same "not everyone who SAYS Lord Lord will enter the kingdom of heaven - but he who DOES the will of My Father... he who hears my Words and does them..." Matt 7.

I believe Paul tells the truth in 2Cor 5:10 -- and that it is not at all hard to read.
2 Cor 5:10
10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.

I believe James tells the truth in James 2 -- and that it is not at all hard to read
James 2
10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
11 For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.
12 So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.

For the saints - our names are there physically in Dan 7:9-10 but we are not.

For the wicked - their names are there physically in Dan 7:9-10 and they are not -- but they are there physically in Rev 20 and judged according to the deeds done in the body and then thrown into the lake of fire.

The Law of God - the moral law of God defines sin as 1John 3:4 states and even your own NewAdvent seems to get the point to some degree. And God will judge the fruit of the saints to demonstrate whether they are truly born again walking in the new birth -- new creation showing the fruit of the spirit. If they are - then they are not walking in rebellion against God but they are walking as 1John 3 insists and 1John 5:1-4 insists, as Christ insists in Matt 7 and Paul stated they will be walking in Romans 2:6-16.

Rom 2

6 who will render to each person according to his deeds: 7 to those who by perseverance in doing good seek for glory and honor and immortality, eternal life; 8 but to those who are selfishly ambitious and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, wrath and indignation. 9 There will be tribulation and distress for every soul of man who does evil, of the Jew first and also of the Greek, 10 but glory and honor and peace to everyone who does good, to the Jew first and also to the Greek. 11 For there is no partiality with God.
12 For all who have sinned without the Law will also perish without the Law, and all who have sinned under the Law will be judged by the Law;

13for it is not the hearers of the Law who are just before God, but the doers of the Law will be justified. 14 For when Gentiles who do not have the Law do instinctively the things of the Law, these, not having the Law, are a law to themselves, 15 in that they show the work of the Law written in their hearts, their conscience bearing witness and their thoughts alternately accusing or else defending them, 16 on the day when, according to my gospel, God will judge the secrets of men through Christ Jesus.

living a life of obedience can only be done by the one who is first born again and filled with the Holy Spirit "It is no longer I who live but Christ lives in me and the life I live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God" Gal 2:20

So then who are those who are born-again and it is no longer they who live? Christ said "by their fruit you shall know them" - it is the objective model they are using in Dan 7:9-10 to pass judgment in favor of the saints Dan 7:22

A "yes" or a "no" would suffice as an answer for the question. If you're not sure then a "I do not know" would be sufficient.

Only necessary if the obvious Bible texts above were sooo confusing to the person -- they needed help with the details.

Will you gain eternal life because you conformed to the ten commandments and lose it if you did not conform to then ten commandments?

Do you believe in "once saved always saved" MC???

You are going to down some new roads these days.

I stand on the obvious statements in the Word of God as stated above.

Your argument is "with the text".

in Christ,

Bob

 

[Elder 111]

How does that work? If the ten commandments are not the law by which you are judged and your salvation decided then you can do as you please? What?

The Ten Commandments says for one: Thou shall not steal. Your position is that I will not be Judge by the said command. What dose that mean if not that I can not be Judge for stealing? Explain to us all!

 

[listed]

The Ten Commandments says for one: Thou shall not steal. Your position is that I will not be Judge by the said command. What dose that mean if not that I can not be Judge for stealing? Explain to us all!

What is the big deal Elder? You simply void the law with an superficial I'm sorry and go on your merry way. Seems to me what you really say is you superficially repent and are still judged about the matter. This is evidence you are not forgiven or have avoided the law. OTH those promoting straight up grace have that rest Israel could not have. You do not have that rest either.

 

[listed]

I believe the Bible --

Taking or given your position I believe you just willfully sinned.

 

[listed]

ahhhh---Coffee----what more do you want?--All those verses doesn't answer it for you? All are judged by the law--however--we are saved by grace.--judged, saved--2 different things. We may be judged as not having met the law, but we are saved by the love of God's grace, His Sons blood having washed our transgressions.
Remember the sacrificial system--a picture of the new--the sacrifice paid the price of sin--but the sin remains, so what is done with it??---the High Priest transferred them to the scapegoat. Christ paid the price for our sins, His death bought us, His blood washes away our sin--then Christ, our High Priest, will transfer them to the scapegoat--Satan--he gets the blame, and he will be destroyed and all sin with him. And we all live happily ever after. The end.

Then judgment has no real value. Why not party hearty?

 

[listed]

How does that work? If the ten commandments are not the law by which you are judged and your salvation decided then you can do as you please? What?

Good question. It appears to me there is a love affair with confusion.