CHRISTIANOPHOBIA - anti Christian hatred.

[Mustaphile]

Hi Fejao,

Actually I am interested to know what hernyaccent thinks.

The problem is that the scriptures are full of warnings for all of us and yes for the sexually immoral as well. I think the scriptures show that the punishement is for what people do or dont do and this in response to what God has already done for us through Jesus.
So Phelps position is alluding to the judgement with the people, rather than the just the sin.
However, no I disagree, Phelps is still nearer the mark than the gay and lesbian Christians promoting same-sex sex who cant yet see the mark.

The scripture would warn us that our passions can rule our lives. If a homosexual can show moderation in their passion then they have their passion under control. It's about bringing all things into subjection under God. We all have passions and we all live those passions out in some way, at some time. The thing is to avoid passion ruling your life. If God rules your life then passion is in subjection to God.

 

[hernyaccent]

Hi hernyaccent,

Can I ask you whether you think that site about who God 'hates' has any foundation in scripture ir is it someones feelings on the issue?
The reason I ask is that we wouldn't be Christians unless we had heard of Jesus. I mean did Jesus hate anyone? We can see the scriptures show He came to save and give life to everyone and died for us all. The scripture says that God so loved the world that He gave His only Son.

I really generalized I group and I am sorry fot that. I really dont have a problem with christians as a group just certain individuals are christians ( technically) yet display hate.

The God hates sites are a flip flop issue for me because I believe it's not jut their feelings but the way they interprate the bible.

 

[hernyaccent]

Hi Fejao,

Actually I am interested to know what hernyaccent thinks.

The problem is that the scriptures are full of warnings for all of us and yes for the sexually immoral as well. I think the scriptures show that the punishement is for what people do or dont do and this in response to what God has already done for us through Jesus.
So Phelps position is alluding to the judgement with the people, rather than the just the sin.
However, no I disagree, Phelps is still nearer the mark than the gay and lesbian Christians promoting same-sex sex who cant yet see the mark.

I disagree because a gay or lesbian christian has the ability to bring a large part of that community to Christ. The only way into the kingdom is through Christ if I am not mistaken. I have always felt that once your name is written in the book of life it's written there. Where as with Phelp and those like him represent Christ & God as HATERS. Who would want to spend eternity with beings who hate them? Christianity represented through hate doesn't bring people to Christ. It turns them away.

 

[fejao]

I disagree because a gay or lesbian christian has the ability to bring a large part of that community to Christ. The only way into the kingdom is through Christ if I am not mistaken. I have always felt that once your name is written in the book of life it's written there. Where as with Phelp and those like him represent Christ & God as HATERS. Who would want to spend eternity with being who hate them? According to Phelps -God hates America so if you american God hates you. Christianity represented through hate doesn't bring people to christian. It turns them away.

So true hernyaccent we all have the power to lead people to Christ and its such a great priviledge.

Phelps is also the man who is blaming the recent Tsunami on gay people, to me this does'nt sound like a man who is hitting the mark Ahab! He has also called on God to send a Tsunami to America because God hates "***" America, way off the mark in my oppinion and I am sure in a lot of Christians minds.


Fejao x

 

[Maize]

Fred Phelps is right up there with the Crusades as a black mark on the face of beautiful Christianity. It's very sad and I wish we would see more Christians, leaders and laity alike, stand up to his vitriolic rhetoric. Christians wonder why gays distrust them; to far too many in the gay community, Fred Phelps is the face of Christianity.

 

[Blackmarch]

http://washingtontimes.com/world/20041209-122008-5991r.htm

Have you seen really anti Christian behaviour. I have recently and didnt realise it was a new problem. Well new as in, the continuation of persecution. But as this is more than not interested, or not agreeing, or rejecting God. But actively squaring off with, baiting and trying to provoke Christians. Refering to them as stupid, bigots, mindless etc. I have felt the wrath of the gay community (I so do not want to debate gay issues). But this is a big deal and its getting worse. When some places refuse to let children say Merry Christmas to each other as school, promoting happy holidays instead - well its taking P.C. to the another level of extreme.

Anti Christianity persecution is a problem, so also is the persecution of others by Christians.

 

[hernyaccent]

Fred Phelps is right up there with the Crusades as a black mark on the face of beautiful Christianity. It's very sad and I wish we would see more Christians, leaders and laity alike, stand up to his vitriolic rhetoric. Christians wonder why gays distrust them; to far too many in the gay community, Fred Phelps is the face of Christianity.

Yup

 

[Fire]

Where is homsoexuality described in the Bible?

The context directs these statutes towards men rather than women. When a specific statute is directed toward women, it is explicity indicated, as in verse 23.
There is no statute which prohibits sexual relations between women.

Leviticus 18:
22:Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it [is] abomination.
23:Neither shalt thou lie with any beast to defile thyself therewith: neither shall any woman stand before a beast to lie down thereto: it [is] confusion.

There shall be no harlot of the daughters of Israel, nor a sodomite of the sons of Israel.
Deuteronomy 23:17

 

[ahab]

Hi hernyaccent,

The God hates sites are a flip flop issue for me because I believe it's not jut their feelings but the way they interprate the bible.

Except that the scriptures do show that God hates evil, I cant see anywhere where it says God hates a group of people. God may hate what they do but there is no scripture that says God hates a group of people. So it is difficult to see how one can interpret God hates a group of people isnt it? Interpret surely must be based on what the scriptures say rather than what it doesn't say and we feel it should. And that is why I think people who say 'God hates' people are misrepresenting God and not interpreting God at all. Similarly gay and lesbian Christian groups are promoting same-sex sex when the scriptural evidence is that it is a sin that God hates, they are misrepresenting God. So I would say neither are extreme, rather they are just plain wrong, wouldnt you?

Romans 12:9 “[ Love ] Love must be sincere. Hate what is evil; cling to what is good.

Revelation 2:6 “But you have this in your favor: You hate the practices of the Nicolaitans, which I also hate. “

I disagree because a gay or lesbian christian has the ability to bring a large part of that community to Christ.

There are many celibate and ex-homosexual Christians who do try and bring other homosexuals to Christ and have always been trying to do so. However as Christians we can only lead people in a situation where they accept Christ and Christ draws them. One can tell a thief to come to Christ, but if the thief carries on stealing and justifies it, one can hardly say the thief has come to Christ if Christ says stealing is evil. Unless one takes Mustaphiles view that stealing is ok in moderation.

Where as with Phelp and those like him represent Christ & God as HATERS.

But there is scripture that tells us God hates evil things and practices, so that partly rigth isn't it?
Blessings

 

[ahab]

Hi Fire,

Where is homsoexuality described in the Bible? – ahab

Leviticus 18:22:Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it [is] abomination. Deuteronomy 23:17 “There shall be no harlot of the daughters of Israel, nor a sodomite of the sons of Israel.” – Fire

But surely that’s what people do not what they desire? It’s the act that God finds the abomination. You seem to be supporting Phelps.

Sorry but you still seem unable to distinguish what people desire to do from what they actually do.

 

[Mustaphile]

Unless one takes Mustaphiles view that stealing is ok in moderation.

Hehehe..a very clumsy attempt at distorting what I said, ahab. I'll forgive you for putting lies into my mouth and bearing false witness against me. You must try to control that contempt though. It doesn't become you. Repent, dear brother.

 

[ahab]

Hi Mustaphile,

Hehehe..a very clumsy attempt at distorting what I said, ahab. I'll forgive you for putting lies into my mouth and bearing false witness against me. You must try to control that contempt though. It doesn't become you. Repent, dear brother.

Well I made an assumption and as it is wrong and you don’t believe stealing is wrong please accept my apologies. However it was based on the assumption you made. I believe scripture clearly shows that same-sex sex is a sin, so it falls in sexual immorality Matt 15, as does theft. You have assumed it isn’t and have been offended by my assumption.

 

[fejao]

Now now boys, well here is a beautiful quote to start the day!

"A friend is someone who knows the song in your heart and can sing it back to you when you've forgotten the words"


Fejao x x

 

[ahab]

Hi hernyaccent,

You see The God hates sites are a flip flop issue for me because I believe it's not jut their feelings but the way they interprate the bible.

However I asked whether you think the concept of God 'hates' has any foundation in scripture or is it someones feelings on the issue?
So I assume you mean the way they interpret the Bible is equivalent to their feelings? As to the scriptures you haven’t really said whether you think there is scriptural support and I don’t want to have the worng conclusion. Could you clarify for me please?

 

[hernyaccent]

Hi Mustaphile,



Well I made an assumption and as it is wrong and you don’t believe stealing is wrong please accept my apologies. However it was based on the assumption you made. I believe scripture clearly shows that same-sex sex is a sin, so it falls in sexual immorality Matt 15, as does theft. You have assumed it isn’t and have been offended by my assumption.

Do you consider it a sin to have a homosexual relationship without sex?

 

[hernyaccent]

Hi hernyaccent,



However I asked whether you think the concept of God 'hates' has any foundation in scripture or is it someones feelings on the issue?
So I assume you mean the way they interpret the Bible is equivalent to their feelings? As to the scriptures you haven’t really said whether you think there is scriptural support and I don’t want to have the worng conclusion. Could you clarify for me please?

"God 'hates' has any foundation in scripture or is it someone's feelings on the issue? "

Do they have a foundation is scripture? Yes.
Do I believe they inter prate them wrong? Yes.

I believe because of the way they inter prate it that it is much more then just feelings and in fact is based on scriptures pulled out of context.
Leviticus 20:23 -Leviticus 26:30 - Deuteronomy 32:19 -
These are some of the scriptures used by the hate site to support that God hates. If you were just to read these scriptures and have no knowledge of the bible you would assume God hates you to.

The reason I said it's a flip flop for me was because I believe it's a mixture of personal feeling and the way they inter prate the scripture.

 

[ahab]

Hi hernyaccent,



Thanks for responding.

I believe because of the way they inter prate it that it is much more then just feelings and in fact is based on scriptures pulled out of context.

Leviticus 20:23 -Leviticus 26:30 - Deuteronomy 32:19 -

I believe its says in Lev 18 that because they did all those things God hates, He abhorred them because of the things they did. I believe that that in Lev 26 its says that 'If in spite of this you still do not listen to me but continue to be hostile toward me, then in my anger I will be hostile toward you, and I myself will punish you for your sins seven times over …and I will abhor you.” I also believe that Deut 32 “The LORD saw this and rejected them because he was angered by his sons and daughters." Means that God dint like what they did.

I still believe these scriptures clearly show that God hates what people do, he may punish people for continuing to do those things interpret this as it says that God does not hate people unless they continue do what He hates. I suggest they and many here are falling into the same trap of making a judgement on people rather than a judgement on what people do.



However, that’s not the point. The point is

Do they have a foundation is scripture? Yes.

Do I believe they interprate them wrong? Yes

Do you interpret same-sex sex as acceptable to God?

Do you have a foundation in scripture?
Phelps has scripture that its wrong, do you have any that its right?

 

[fejao]

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[hernyaccent]

Hi hernyaccent,


The point is





Do you interpret same-sex sex as acceptable to God?

Do you have a foundation in scripture?
Phelps has scripture that its wrong, do you have any that its right?

I don't think any type of sex is acceptable before God before marriage which is why my girlfriend and I don't have sex.We do however plan on leaving the United States in the future and getting married.

I see that you will side with Phelps on this issue because you want to prove me wrong. I am going to make this simple once more...

My name is written in the Book of Life. Do I sin? Yes. My sin is no greater or lesser then any other mans sin but because my name is in that book and I truly believe Jesus is the way to God I know there is a place for me in heaven-homosexual or not.My sexuality doesnt make me love Christ any less.

Phelps and others like him can continue to show people the negativity of Christianity while I will continue to show the homosexuals and others who take part in abominations that Christ is about LOVE.

 

[fejao]

I don't think any type of sex is acceptable before God before marriage which is why my girlfriend and I don't have sex.We do however plan on leaving the United States in the future and getting married.

I see that you will side with Phelps on this issue because you want to prove me wrong. I am going to make this simple once more...

My name is written in the Book of Life. Do I sin? Yes. My sin is no greater or lesser then any other mans sin but because my name is in that book and I truly believe Jesus is the way to God I know there is a place for me in heaven-homosexual or not.My sexuality doesnt make me love Christ any less.

Phelps and others like him can continue to show people the negativity of Christianity while I will continue to show the homosexuals and others who take part in abominations that Christ is about LOVE.

Amen sister ! Your name is truly in the Lambs book of life and I am sure like me you cant wait to get there and cry "Holy, Holy, Holy" to our precious Lord ! Well lets all meet at the Rainbow that encircles the throne of God ! (Rev 4:3).

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Fejao x