CHRISTIANOPHOBIA - anti Christian hatred.

[HouseApe]

I think this whole issue for revolves around one concept: the gay community seeks to legitimize and mainstream their lifestyle on the rest of folks that want nothing to do with it; at least thats the case for me. I believe homosexuality is wrong...others don't...a small percentage of us will change our minds unless God intervenes. Since I believe it is a sin, I have to realize the position God has me in perspective to this situation...I cannot judge people...that is not up to me...but it is up to God. My point...what you do behind close doors sexually is none of my business; God will deal with all of us regarding all our sins (and I'm a regular sinner just like anyone else) at a time of His choosing. Sin is sin is sin.
But...don't keep on trying to legitimize this lifestyle to people who will not accept it. Thats where it erks me the most...I'm heterosexual...I seek to continue to be a heterosexual, and live in a heterosexual environment...stop trying to change everyones mind about something people will not change their minds about. Just because I disagree with your lifestyle and don't want to be bombarded with the arguments its moral "acceptance" does not mean that I HATE those people. The same reasoning applies to people who are drug users or alcoholics....Just because I disagree with a druggies lifestyle and don't want to be bombarded with the arguments its moral "acceptance" does not mean that I HATE all drug users.
JMHO.

The same things could be said about white people not wanting to live in an interracial environment. Many people thought it was morally wrong. But they let it go & later on found out it didn't make any difference.

 

[fejao]

I think this whole issue for revolves around one concept: the gay community seeks to legitimize and mainstream their lifestyle on the rest of folks that want nothing to do with it; at least thats the case for me. I believe homosexuality is wrong...others don't...a small percentage of us will change our minds unless God intervenes. Since I believe it is a sin, I have to realize the position God has me in perspective to this situation...I cannot judge people...that is not up to me...but it is up to God. My point...what you do behind close doors sexually is none of my business; God will deal with all of us regarding all our sins (and I'm a regular sinner just like anyone else) at a time of His choosing. Sin is sin is sin.
But...don't keep on trying to legitimize this lifestyle to people who will not accept it. Thats where it erks me the most...I'm heterosexual...I seek to continue to be a heterosexual, and live in a heterosexual environment...stop trying to change everyones mind about something people will not change their minds about. Just because I disagree with your lifestyle and don't want to be bombarded with the arguments its moral "acceptance" does not mean that I HATE those people. The same reasoning applies to people who are drug users or alcoholics....Just because I disagree with a druggies lifestyle and don't want to be bombarded with the arguments its moral "acceptance" does not mean that I HATE all drug users.
JMHO.

Hi AMaximus, blessings my brother in Christ. I can see from your post that you want to convey that you do not hate homosexual people, however you do believe that homosexuality is wrong, I may not agree with you on this but I can respect your position. However just like yourself I need to speak up when something "elks" me. What "elks" me is people who speak out of a position of ignornace (not a reference to yourself, generally), hetrosexual people who dont know what it is like to be homosexual and they think they know everything about homosexuals, their views shaped not from experience but third hand information. How can you compare gay people to drug addicts or alcoholics? These people to choose to do these things, I and most gay people would say we never to choose to be this way. Addiction and the act of loving another human being are two different things.


fejao x

 

[Rae]

I think this whole issue for revolves around one concept: the gay community
--No, actually. The topic is "anti-Christian hatred," not the gay community. There are plenty of other threads for you to post your evidence for or against the gay community in without taking over this one. Please?

 

[AMaximus]

These people to choose to do these things, I and most gay people would say we never to choose to be this way.

I have yet to be convinced of this based on acquantances of mine and my own research (both "sides" of the issue)...one day I'll know for sure. Until then...I must go on living my life.

 

[AMaximus]

There are plenty of other threads for you to post your evidence for or against the gay community in without taking over this one. Please?

Any evidence I would present would not make a dimes worth of a difference BTW.
My point was that some anti-Christian hatred is a result of misperception of so-called gay-hatred...as I referred to in my response.

 

[fejao]

I have yet to be convinced of this based on acquantances of mine and my own research (both "sides" of the issue)...one day I'll know for sure. Until then...I must go on living my life.

Well I would say your research goes against current research, like that of the APA

APA

Desmond Tutu, Anglican Archbishop of South Africa: We reject [homosexuals], treat them as pariahs, and push them outside our church communities, and thereby we negate the consequences of their baptism and ours. We make them doubt that they are the children of God, and this must be nearly the ultimate blasphemy. We blame them for something that is becoming increasingly clear they can do little about.
Fejao x

 

[ahab]

Hi AMaximus,

I 100% agree with your posts.

 

[ahab]

Hi Fire,

We have been bought at a price, we lose our lives to gain our lives, we have given everything up to follow Jesus, we have been crucified and resurected with Christ Jesus. He has sanctified us and justified us. These are from scripture, they are spiritual truths for what Jesus has done for those who believe in Him. Its nothing new, its been the same for 2000 years.
We have died to self, so God will bless us in things that are of the Kingdom of God, not things that we want.

 

[Fire]

Perhaps some of the hatred of Christians is due to their dogmatic condemnation of homosexuality without reference to the original code of sexual morality. In the Torah male homosexuality is condemned as an abomination, but there is no teaching against female homosexuality.

 

[ahab]

Hi Fire,

Perhaps some of the hatred of Christians is due to their dogmatic condemnation of homosexuality without reference to the original code of sexual morality. In the Torah male homosexuality is condemned as an abomination, but there is no teaching against female homosexuality

Yes I think we identified that in the OP. However, homosexuality as orientation isnt condemned by the Bible, it is the same-sex sex acts that are. So gay as in practicing is not what God wants and some homosexuals find that offensive. What they then do is ignore homosexuals who are celibate and living for Christ or by the power of God ex-homosexual and pervert the gospel as well. Gos is not anti anyone, He just does tolerate sexual immorality heterosexual or homsoexual. So its not such dogmatic condemnation as pro-gay people constantly infer. Same sex sex is something for Christians to be avoiding, its those who are false teaching Christians who are causing most of the problems.
Islam for example doesn't tolerate homosexuality full stop! Neither do some other religions and cultures but these aren't under the same attack (at least not in the UK)

 

[Fire]

Yes I think we identified that in the OP.

By OP, do you mean opening post? I read the post and the idea the female homosexuality is not condemned was not apparent.

Gos is not anti anyone, He just does tolerate sexual immorality heterosexual or homsoexual.

The toleration of male homosexuality does not make it any less of an abomination.

 

[MeetingPeopleIsEasy]

I have felt the wrath of the gay community

Most gay's I've met aren't anti-Christian. Theres actually Christian gays. Check out godlovesf@gs.com.

Edit - The board censors the word "F@g," so I added the "at" @. But when you enter that URL, use a normal a.

 

[hernyaccent]

Most gay's I've met aren't anti-Christian. Theres actually Christian gays. Check out godlovesf@gs.com.

Edit - The board censors the word "F@g," so I added the "at" @. But when you enter that URL, use a normal a.

I am a gay person who loves Christians even if they put me down for my life.

 

[ahab]

Hi Fire,

By OP, do you mean opening post? I read the post and the idea the female homosexuality is not condemned was not apparent.

By OP I did mean Opening Post. As I said there is no condemnation of homosexuality in the Bible, why are you asking me that female homosexuality is not apparent? Where is homsoexuality described in the Bible?

The toleration of male homosexuality does not make it any less of an abomination.

Homosexuality isn’t describedin the Bible!

 

[ahab]

Hi Hernyaccent,

Maybe you can get to talk to some Christians who are on this forum who living for God.
Its not helpful to have rather more extreme views such as the site you listed and these pro gay pressure groups like glcm.

 

[fejao]

I am a gay person who loves Christians even if they put me down for my life.

Hi Hernyaccent ! Nice to see you here on the forums, I am too a Christian who is gay. I hope you enjoy your time here at CF, you will find some lovley people here on CF and some people with very extreem oppinions about you and other gay Christians. However remember that it is Jesus who is the Lord and love of your life, and that his Holy Spirit is with you and in all your ways acknowledge him. Well feel free to Pm me anytime my friend, God Bless.


Fejao x

 

[ahab]

Hi hernyaccent,

Can I ask you whether you think that site about who God 'hates' has any foundation in scripture ir is it someones feelings on the issue?
The reason I ask is that we wouldn't be Christians unless we had heard of Jesus. I mean did Jesus hate anyone? We can see the scriptures show He came to save and give life to everyone and died for us all. The scripture says that God so loved the world that He gave His only Son.

 

[fejao]

Hi hernyaccent,

Can I ask you whether you think that site about who God 'hates' has any foundation in scripture ir is it someones feelings on the issue?
The reason I ask is that we wouldn't be Christians unless we had heard of Jesus. I mean did Jesus hate anyone? We can see the scriptures show He came to save and give life to everyone and died for us all. The scripture says that God so loved the world that He gave His only Son.

I agree Ahab I dont believe God hates anyone, he loves each and everyone of his creations equally. I think F Phelps has lost his message, I am sure he started out with genuine convictions, but it seems thoes have turned towards hate and now he is a terrible example of Jesus to Christians and also to gay people. I think most Christians think Phelps is an extreemist and well not a representative of Christians as a whole. Even his denomination expelled him and excommunicated him because they felt he was not a good example of their denomination.

Fejao x

 

[ahab]

Hi Fejao,

Actually I am interested to know what hernyaccent thinks.

The problem is that the scriptures are full of warnings for all of us and yes for the sexually immoral as well. I think the scriptures show that the punishement is for what people do or dont do and this in response to what God has already done for us through Jesus.
So Phelps position is alluding to the judgement with the people, rather than the just the sin.
However, no I disagree, Phelps is still nearer the mark than the gay and lesbian Christians promoting same-sex sex who cant yet see the mark.

 

[fejao]

Hi Fejao,

Actually I am interested to know what hernyaccent thinks.

The problem is that the scriptures are full of warnings for all of us and yes for the sexually immoral as well. I think the scriptures show that the punishement is for what people do or dont do and this in response to what God has already done for us through Jesus.
So Phelps position is alluding to the judgement with the people, rather than the just the sin.
However, no I disagree, Phelps is still nearer the mark than the gay and lesbian Christians promoting same-sex sex who cant yet see the mark.

I obviously know you are intresting in knowing what hernyaccent thinks, however I posted my oppinion .

You are free to think that about Pheps and seeing the mark, however I will disagree in love


Fejao x


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