Christianity without Satan?

[BNR32FAN]

Lets say, I dont believe in your image of Satan, and you do believe in it. Beside the satisfaction and praise you may receive from being a part of a large, likeminded group....What other benefits would you receiving from believing in the image of Satan?

Being alert and mindful of his attacks is one benefit. Knowing the difference between what is from God and what is from satan is another benefit.

 

[RaymondG]

Being alert and mindful of his attacks is one benefit. Knowing the difference between what is from God and what is from satan is another benefit.

Can you give an example of something that is from satan......an everyday example? e.g. I hear in church a lot, that Satan made people come late. Do you have a better example, for which, believing in Satan would be helpful?

 

[RaymondG]

I would be very skeptical about any minister who is worried about a person who is believing in the word or God. There are many denominations out there that only consider some of the scriptures. You’ll never get the full true message unless you embrace all scripture.

If one were to read and embrace all scripture, and come away with "I believe in Satan." Would you think that scripture served it's purpose?

 

[BNR32FAN]

Can you give an example of something that is from satan......an everyday example? e.g. I hear in church a lot, that Satan made people come late. Do you have a better example, for which, believing in Satan would be helpful?

Romans 6:16 comes to mind.

 

[BNR32FAN]

If would were to read and embrace all scripture, and come away with "I believe in Satan." Would you think that scripture served it's purpose?

Yes of course

 

[RaymondG]

Romans 6:16 comes to mind.

Does this mean that you cannot find a practical example for the benefit of believing in satan Today?

So lets go with my real life example. There are many who believe in Satan who blame him for getting to church late. So this belief allows them to take blame off of themselves and put it on another.... belief in Satan gives them a reason to be late. I, do not believe this to be possible....therefore, I hold myself accountable for being late.....and therefore im almost never late.

How is the belief in Satan, beneficial, in this case?

 

[RaymondG]

Yes of course

And I find no fault in what you believe.

 

[tturt]

The enemy's aim is to kill, steal, and destroy. We're to know his devices.

But our heavenly Father is for us. His aim is for us to have life and life more abundantly. "So shall they fear the name of the Lord from the west, and his glory from the rising of the sun. When the enemy shall come in like a flood, the Spirit of the Lord shall lift up a standard against him." (Isa 59:19).

The enemies in Israel's Promised Land names meant pride, rebellion, lust, fear, etc. We're to possess the land.

(John 10:10, II Cor 2:11, Isa 59:19).

 

[RaymondG]

"Thou wilt keep him in perfect peace, whose mind is stayed on thee: because he trusteth in thee."

Where, then, can we find room for belief in Satan and trust in his device?

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Does this mine that you cannot find a practical example for the benefit of believing in satan Today?
So lets go with my real life example. There are many who believe in Satan who blame him for getting to church late. So this belief allows them to take blame off of themselves and put it on another.... belief in Satan gives them a reason to be late. I, do not believe this to be possible....therefore, I hold myself accountable for being late.....and therefore im almost never late.
How is the belief in Satan, beneficial, in this case?

It (belief in hasatan, the devil, the enemy of Christ) lines up in total harmony with all of Yahuweh's Word, Plan, and Purpose.
(and, perhaps, helps avoid the sin of pride in not being late?)

 

[RaymondG]

It (belief in hasatan, the devil, the enemy of Christ) lines up in total harmony with all of Yahuweh's Word, Plan, and Purpose.
(and, perhaps, helps avoid the sin of pride in not being late?)

I find no fault in your belief in The Satan, and do not wish to try and persuade you otherwise.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

I find no fault in your belief in The Satan, and do not wish to try and persuade you otherwise.

Then , if you do not believe in hasatan, he , "The Satan", has totally tricked you, deviously, perhaps subtly, as all Scripture reveals.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

"Thou wilt keep him in perfect peace, whose mind is stayed on thee: because he trusteth in thee."

Where, then, can we find room for belief in Satan and trust in his device?

Where ?
In anyone who is not stayed on Christ, who denies God's Word, who does not trust in Him.
Jesus came to destroy the works of men? No , Jesus came to destroy the works of the devil, as written IN THE BIBLE, GOD'S REVEALED WORD.
If the devil did not do works, in all mankind, it would be a somewhat different world,
perhaps much like when first created - in the garden !

 

[BNR32FAN]

Does this mine that you cannot find a practical example for the benefit of believing in satan Today?

So lets go with my real life example. There are many who believe in Satan who blame him for getting to church late. So this belief allows them to take blame off of themselves and put it on another.... belief in Satan gives them a reason to be late. I, do not believe this to be possible....therefore, I hold myself accountable for being late.....and therefore im almost never late.

How is the belief in Satan, beneficial, in this case?

satan can be to blame in a manner of speaking but we have the ability to resist his temptation therefore in matters such as this we to are accountable.

As for Romans 6:16 how is this in any way irrelevant today? Are we not still today servants of the master of whom we serve? Either servants of God resulting in life or servants of satan resulting in death?

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

satan can be to blame in a manner of speaking but we have the ability to resist his temptation therefore in matters such as this we to are accountable.

How small, how little, how young, can a child be,
and
"resist the devil, and he will flee"
as THE CREATOR SAYS plainly and clearly and repeatedly.

 

[BNR32FAN]

How small, how little, how young, can a child be,
and
"resist the devil, and he will flee"
as THE CREATOR SAYS plainly and clearly and repeatedly.

Sometimes it’s hard to get him to flee. At least for me anyway. I say get out of here satan and sometimes he still persists.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Sometimes it’s hard to get him to flee. At least for me anyway. I say get out of here satan and sometimes he still persists.

He has some leverage sometimes, but also may be just persistent thoughts , misplaced knowledge or ideas, or even (perhaps often? ) the flesh persistent (very common among men and women and children; i.e. all mankind) ...

I'm not sure HOW QUICK he must flee, but he must flee ,

WE must endure..... THANKS BE TO GOD ! JESUS IS OUR STRENGTH !

 

[BNR32FAN]

He has some leverage sometimes, but also may be just persistent thoughts , misplaced knowledge or ideas, or even (perhaps often? ) the flesh persistent (very common among men and women and children; i.e. all mankind) ...

I'm not sure HOW QUICK he must flee, but he must flee ,

WE must endure..... THANKS BE TO GOD ! JESUS IS OUR STRENGTH !

Yes in my sinful days before coming to Christ I subjected myself to a lot of immorality and the result is that sometimes these thoughts, jokes, images, and even songs come back to haunt me in my thoughts.

 

[Jude1:3Contendforthefaith]

Come on brother we've been through this before, the only remotely relevant Justinian anathemas against universalism that gained Conciliar ratification were those regarding 'souls only' restoration. The Nicene Creed leaves universalism open, and in fact the Cappadochians and other eminent Church fathers were avowed universalists.

It wasn't an issue until Jerome and Augustine with their latin mistranslations and Romish outlook. We know Justinian's anathemas were politically motivated, without the full support of even the [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse] 5th Council, as many including even the Pope refused to attend. In fact, Origen's contribution to theology was arguably greater than that of Augustine.

So please refrain from promoting the monstrous fable that universalism is a formal heresy. Who needs salvation more than the devil, after all?

The Canons and Decrees of The Ecumenical Councils are Infallible.

Fr. John Whiteford. Are Ecumenical Councils Infallible?

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[jahel]

"In fact, Origen's contribution to theology was arguably greater than that of Augustine.” I agree.