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ByGrace

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ravenwolf said:
well, first, thanks for not being self rightous and bigotrous like some other folks on here(which i will not respond to any one like that anymore) So I am responding to your post.
Actually, I know someone on another forum thats a Christion wiccan and she fits that discription so since you said your self that this is the definition of a christian then she is a christian cuz she fits all of it, but she also incorporates wiccan belief such as dual aspects of God and Goddess as well as attuning to nature and other wiccan beliefs.
Ok, but the description of a christian you gave above says nothing that would oppose it either.
Wiccans dont worship idols either
well, that is true, but then again i also know liberal christians who believe there are many ways as well
i can see why you believe what you believ as well because you are not a liberal and you adhere to traditional christian teachings, there are also wiccans on the flip side too that would agree with you, I just happen to be in the middle and I simply think it is possible and i could care less,they have a right to call themselves whatever, that is all I am saying.
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I guess it is a good thing we dont have to look to a self avowed pagan to get a real look at what a Christian is. That would be scary obviously. You are not expected to understand the Biblical truths you attempt to discuss in your state so I do not think there is any further reason to discuss this.
 
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Hey~

Christian Wiccans generally worship God as God the Father, the Holy Spirit as the Mother, & Jesus or the Christ as the son. Sometimes they worship Mary in the Goddess aspect, or some worship the Holy Spirit as Sophia...the Goddess of Wisdom mentioned in the Bible. It makes sense to them that there would be a Mother as well if there is the Father & Son.They don't generally follow the teachings of Paul, since he never actually met Jesus, but the teachings of Jesus himself. Christian Wiccans don't believe in "many gods", the believe in & worship the Divine as I previously stated.

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ravenwolf said:
well, first, thanks for not being self rightous and bigotrous like some other folks on here
You're welcome!
Wiccans dont worship idols either
My bad!
well, that is true, but then again i also know liberal christians who believe there are many ways as well
Well I don't believe that they should call themselves christians either then!! lol
I just happen to be in the middle and I simply think it is possible and i could care less,they have a right to call themselves whatever, that is all I am saying.
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Well I agree with you there. They do have the right to call them selves anything they want to. That is why we have freedom of religion and speech. However as a very strict christian believing the entire bible as the only truth, and infallible, I think that those who incorporate the name christian in to their religion are blaspheming our religion. Don't get me wrong I am not hateful toward them nor do I condemn them. I just have a different belief system. In the end when the days of our lives are over we will all find out the truth. If I am wrong then at least I lived my life faithful to what I believe in. If they are wrong then I pray that GOd has mercy on them. But as for you, kudos for standing on your beliefs. If there were as many christians that defended their faith the world would be a different place!!
 
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ByGrace,

You are an extremely rude individual. It doesn't say a lot about your character when you insult our beliefs or trivialize them by putting them in quotations. You don't see us doing that to you. We at least have respect for others, even if we disagree with them.

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You are not expected to understand the Biblical truths you attempt to discuss in your state so I do not think there is any further reason to discuss this.
What do you mean by my attempt and state...as if i am not in a state able to formulate my own opinion....never mind , i take it back....your like the rest
I am so done now

edit: duh! i thought bygrace was the one who i responded to saying "well at least you arent rude", so i guess i cant take it bak...lol
cuz it was the other chicka here i said that to..lol..nevermind
 
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You are not expected to understand the Biblical truths you attempt to discuss in your state so I do not think there is any further reason to discuss this.


He is quite direct about what he says, and it may sound rude. But I also dont expect a Wiccan to understand the truths of God and Christianity, especially when Jesus himself said the same thing. Just because someone is being brutally honost doesnt mean you have to bash him with insults. Opinions about the bible from a Wiccan are very unreliable compared to Christians using the Bible to explain Christianity. Im sure even you understand that.
 
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Cerridwen said:
Hey~

Christian Wiccans generally worship God as God the Father, the Holy Spirit as the Mother, & Jesus or the Christ as the son. Sometimes they worship Mary in the Goddess aspect, or some worship the Holy Spirit as Sophia...the Goddess of Wisdom mentioned in the Bible. It makes sense to them that there would be a Mother as well if there is the Father & Son.They don't generally follow the teachings of Paul, since he never actually met Jesus, but the teachings of Jesus himself. Christian Wiccans don't believe in "many gods", the believe in & worship the Divine as I previously stated.

Love & Blessings, Cerridwen*
And therefore they follow the doctrines of demons. They are NOT Christians.
 
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Cerridwen said:
Hey~

Christian Wiccans generally worship God as God the Father, the Holy Spirit as the Mother, & Jesus or the Christ as the son. Sometimes they worship Mary in the Goddess aspect, or some worship the Holy Spirit as Sophia...the Goddess of Wisdom mentioned in the Bible.
UH....the holy spirit is the spirit of wisdom not the goddess of wisdom there is a difference.Besides they are all part of the holy trinity three beings one God..and as for Mary?? Catholics worship Mary not christians, and Catholics don't believe the exact way that christians do they believe that the priest can tell you weather you are forgiven THe only one to do that is Jesus!!
They don't generally follow the teachings of Paul, since he never actually met Jesus,
Yes Paul did meet Jesus!!Ac 9:1And Saul, yet breathing out threatenings and slaughter against the disciples of the Lord, went unto the high priest,Ac 9:2And desired of him letters to Damascus to the synagogues, that if he found any of this way, whether they were men or women, he might bring them bound unto Jerusalem.Ac 9:3And as he journeyed, he came near Damascus: and suddenly there shined round about him a light from heaven: Ac 9:4And he fell to the earth, and heard a voice saying unto him, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me?Ac 9:5And he said, Who art thou, Lord? And the Lord said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest: it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks. Ac 9:6And he trembling and astonished said, Lord, what wilt thou have me to do? And the Lord said unto him, Arise, and go into the city, and it shall be told thee what thou must do.Ac 9:7And the men which journeyed with him stood speechless, hearing a voice, but seeing no man.



After this time He changed his name from Saul to Paul
 
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crybabyblue said:
Has anybody heard of the Christian Wicca movement? These Wiccans believe in Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior, but still do spells and celebrate the Sabbats. So for those of you who oppose Wicca...what do you say to dissmiss them as evil? Just wondering, sorry if i sound rude or something.

No, you're not rude at all. Only direct, as all discussions of religious matters ought to be.

And for a direct question, a direct answer:

This is only more evidence of the perniciousness of Wicca. Many people are fooled into thinking they are following Jesus Christ by making magick and believing in a Goddess.

You may very well believe in a witch, spiritual man, enlightened one, guru, shaman named Jesus Christ, and do magic spells in his honour. However, keep in mind that this person, whom you call Jesus Christ, is not the Jesus Christ worshipped by those traditionally called Christians.
One may even call themselves Christian, to try to blur the line, but that doesn't make the differences between the two groups (Pagans and Christians) any less real, only less apparent.
 
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Well I agree with you there. They do have the right to call them selves anything they want to. That is why we have freedom of religion and speech. However as a very strict christian believing the entire bible as the only truth, and infallible, I think that those who incorporate the name christian in to their religion are blaspheming our religion. Don't get me wrong I am not hateful toward them nor do I condemn them. I just have a different belief system. In the end when the days of our lives are over we will all find out the truth. If I am wrong then at least I lived my life faithful to what I believe in. If they are wrong then I pray that GOd has mercy on them. But as for you, kudos for standing on your beliefs. If there were as many christians that defended their faith the world would be a different place!!
I totally understand cuz i kinda figured you were a strict christian and i dont expect you to agree with me, and no, i didnt think you were being hateful, i can always tell by the vibes i get...yours are good:) some others here are very hateful and it hurts, and thanks for the kudos.....right back at ya for being a loving person...we need more of those in this world..theres too much hate for my liking.
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Cerridwen said:
ByGrace,

You are an extremely rude individual. It doesn't say a lot about your character when you insult our beliefs or trivialize them by putting them in quotations. You don't see us doing that to you. We at least have respect for others, even if we disagree with them.

Love & Blessings, Cerridwen*
If I came across as rude I am sorry. I merely quoted the word Pagan because that is what your icon says. I meant no harm by it. Please accept my apologies as I do not wish that to be the basis of our relationship. I will go and take the word out of quotes. Thanks for pointing it out to me. Sometimes things seem one way because you cant adequately communicate emotion or intention in type. Please dont hesitate to address me in the future if I offend. I do stand firm in my dogmatic views of Jesus but those views tell me to love others as well. Sometimes I fall very short.
 
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No offense to the christians on this thread but How are the non christians suppose to believe a word we say when you don't even put it in loving terms . The bible said that you are suppose to love you neighbor as yourself so shame on you for being so rude to others, THe bible says they can never understand the ways of the bible because they don't have the spirit of understanding from the father............don't get mad at them for being unaware of our whole belief system It is still their choice to be what ever religion they want to be. However if you ever want them to see why we believe that Jesus is the only way then you should be a little more considerate.
 
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ravenwolf said:
What do you mean by my attempt and state...as if i am not in a state able to formulate my own opinion....never mind , i take it back....your like the rest
I am so done now

edit: duh! i thought bygrace was the one who i responded to saying "well at least you arent rude", so i guess i cant take it bak...lol
cuz it was the other chicka here i said that to..lol..nevermind
Again, I typed but the meaning did not come across. I again offer up my apologies. What I was saying is simply this. The Bible tells us that the messages within Itself are foolishness to those outside the Faith. One must be regenerated in order for the things within the Bible to shine light to their hearts. One will be given an understanding of the Gospel truths in order to give them an opportunity to accept it but beyond that they usually look upon the Bible as dry and meaningless. I am not referring to you as being ignorant or anything else. You seem anything but. Again I am sorry for not communicating better.
 
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alexeeah said:
No offense to the christians on this thread but How are the non christians suppose to believe a word we say when you don't even put it in loving terms . The bible said that you are suppose to love you neighbor as yourself so shame on you for being so rude to others, THe bible says they can never understand the ways of the bible because they don't have the spirit of understanding from the father............don't get mad at them for being unaware of our whole belief system It is still their choice to be what ever religion they want to be. However if you ever want them to see why we believe that Jesus is the only way then you should be a little more considerate.
That rebuke is personally accepted. This is exactly what I was trying to communicate but did so very poorly. Thank you all for pointing out when I am NOT acting very Christ like. I am sure He would not like my Preaching His word without an air of love. I sometimes do sound very rude but that is not my intent. Again, Sorry.
 
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ByGrace, I appreciate your apology. Yes, I am Pagan, & it greatly offends me to have something as important to me as my religion be trivialized in such a manner. Again, I appreciate the apology, & I'm sorry if I sounded harsh. I respect your beliefs & I honestly believe that all paths lead to the One...we simply have different views of the Divine.

Love & Blessings, Cerridwen*
 
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Cerridwen said:
ByGrace, I appreciate your apology. Yes, I am Pagan, & it greatly offends me to have something as important to me as my religion be trivialized in such a manner. Again, I appreciate the apology, & I'm sorry if I sounded harsh. I respect your beliefs & I honestly believe that all paths lead to the One...we simply have different views of the Divine.

Love & Blessings, Cerridwen*
I must say this:

not quite that simple. but it is nice that this thread cooled off.
 
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alexeeah said:
No offense to the christians on this thread but How are the non christians suppose to believe a word we say when you don't even put it in loving terms . The bible said that you are suppose to love you neighbor as yourself so shame on you for being so rude to others, THe bible says they can never understand the ways of the bible because they don't have the spirit of understanding from the father............don't get mad at them for being unaware of our whole belief system It is still their choice to be what ever religion they want to be. However if you ever want them to see why we believe that Jesus is the only way then you should be a little more considerate.
I agree 100%. I only get mad when people claim false things about the bible to use it against and to challenge the integridy of Christianity. Especially when the answers to their claims against Christianity can be found on websites just by searching on google etc.
 
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A Christian Wiccan... I suppose a person COULD be a genuine Christian and hold Wiccan beliefs as well, but I would think that in most cases they would be Wiccans with simply the title of Christian and a few beliefs that appear Christian.

I think a Christian Wiccan is a person in transition between Wicca and Christianity. Most likely leaning more toward Wicca than Christianity.
 
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A Christian Wiccan... I suppose a person COULD be a genuine Christian and hold Wiccan beliefs as well, but I would think that in most cases they would be Wiccans with simply the title of Christian and a few beliefs that appear Christian.

I think a Christian Wiccan is a person in transition between Wicca and Christianity. Most likely leaning more toward Wicca than Christianity.
This is what I think as well. Whether one actually fits any commonly used definition of "Wiccan" or "Christian" would, of course, depend on which beliefs the person had subsumed into his or her system.

Of course, one can still call oneself anything one wants.
 
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