Christian Scientists of the past

[AV1611VET]

If they are "hidden", how would anyone know about it?

Supposedly initiates could tap into this hidden source of natural forces for manipulation or study.

Ever hear of chi? Kundalini? TM? yoga? astral projection?

Just out of curiosity, what do you call miracles?

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Supposedly initiates could tap into this hidden source of natural forces for manipulation or study.

Ever hear of chi? Kundalini? TM? yoga? astral projection?

Just out of curiosity, what do you call miracles?

I put all those things on the same magic shelve, because they are pretty much indistinguishable from one another.

 

[Loudmouth]

Funny how they refuse to call their godless abiogenesis, billion happy improbable accidents which eventually turns fish into people via godless evolution magic isn't it?

Funny how you try to discredit abiogenesis and evolution by making them look like your beliefs.

 

[Strathos]

Who? dad or Francis Collins?

dad

 

[Speedwell]

Funny how they refuse to call their godless abiogenesis, billion happy improbable accidents which eventually turns fish into people via godless evolution magic isn't it?

Funny how you call systematic, normally-distributed variation "happy improbable accidents."

 

[AV1611VET]

dad

And your point is what?

That I disdain dad because dad doesn't go to church?

Does dad use a laboratory as a place of worship?

 

[Strathos]

And your point is what?

That I disdain dad because dad doesn't go to church?

Does dad use a laboratory as a place of worship?

My point is that you made an assumption about Francis Collins, and insulted him for it, when you admire and agree with someone who actually is guilty of the thing you arbitrarily assumed about Collins.

Also, I don't see any problem with glorifying God while examining His creation. Scientific discoveries are one way of finding out how God runs the universe. I worship at church, at home, and almost everywhere, in fact. You can't get away from the glory of God which is all around us, after all.

For example, looking up at the night sky and seeing deep space photos from NASA often has the same effect as singing a hymn in church, as both give me a sense of awe and appreciation of God.

The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handywork.

That's one of my favorite verses actually.

 

[AV1611VET]

For example, looking up at the night sky and seeing deep space photos from NASA often has the same effect as singing a hymn in church, as both give me a sense of awe and appreciation of God.

That's nice.

But when the laboratory becomes a substitute for the sanctuary, then something's wrong.

 

[Strathos]

That's nice.

But when the laboratory becomes a substitute for the sanctuary, then something's wrong.

Like I said, you were making an unjustified assumption about the man.

 

[Loudmouth]

That's nice.

But when the laboratory becomes a substitute for the sanctuary, then something's wrong.

When a sanctuary becomes a substitute for the laboratory you get the Dark Ages.

 

[sfs]

Like I said, you were making an unjustified assumption about the man.

Collins has been an outspoken Christian in a prominent position in a profession that is highly suspicious of any religious belief or expression. He's gotten a lot of grief as a result. Assuming he's not serious about his faith is unwarranted -- and not cool.

 

[Eight Foot Manchild]

Funny how they refuse to call their godless abiogenesis, billion happy improbable accidents which eventually turns fish into people via godless evolution magic isn't it?

You're confused.

Fully formed biological organisms magically popping into existence is what creationists believe, not scientists or the scientifically literate.

 

[AV1611VET]

Fully formed biological organisms magically popping into existence is what creationists believe,

Is that what creationists tell you?

 

[Radrook]

You're confused.

Fully formed biological organisms magically popping into existence is what creationists believe, not scientists or the scientifically literate.

You are confused Eight-Foot-Manchild! I never claimed that abiogenesis is described as working that way. Neither have I ever come across anyone else making that ridiculous claim. Maybe you are incapable of perceiving when hyperbole is being employed?

 

[Radrook]

Is that what creationists tell you?

Only by imagining that can heckling and jeckling be deployed and mockery be enjoyed.

 

[Eight Foot Manchild]

You are confused Eight-Foot-Manchild! I never claimed that abiogenesis is described as working that way. Neither have I ever come across anyone else making that ridiculous claim. Maybe you are incapable of perceiving when hyperbole is being employed?

Ah yes, you're right. You didn't use the 'spontaneous generation' canard. I am so accustomed to seeing that put forth by creationists, it's become like a motor response.

But you did use the word 'magic', which again, is a mechanism of creationism, not science. So I would still say you're confused.

 

[AV1611VET]

But you did use the word 'magic', which again, is a mechanism of creationism, not science. So I would still say you're confused.

Speaking of confused.

Do you know the Biblical difference between magic and miracles?

 

[Radrook]

Ah yes, you're right. You didn't use the 'spontaneous generation' canard. I am so accustomed to seeing that put forth by creationists, it's become like a motor response.

But you did use the word 'magic', which again, is a mechanism of creationism, not science. So I would still say you're confused.

I was using hyperbole to get my point across. Hyperbole isn't intended to be taken literally.
Hyperbole - Wikipedia

 

[Eight Foot Manchild]

Speaking of confused.

Do you know the Biblical difference between magic and miracles?

Yes. It's about as meaningful a distinction as the difference between assassination and murder.

When a famous person gets murdered, it's an 'assassination'.

When a god performs magic, it's a 'miracle'.

In other words, not meaningful at all.

 

[Eight Foot Manchild]

I was using hyperbole to get my point across. Hyperbole isn't intended to be taken literally.
Hyperbole - Wikipedia

So you hyperbolically accused science of something that creationism is literally guilty of.

How is that better, exactly?