Christian owning a restaurant with a bar

[Dave-W]

At it's core, it's saying that you must hold to the gospel + (fill in the blank) in order to be saved.

OK - I get that.

Tell me - do you think it is possible to be a Christian in good standing and still continue to be a hit man for the mob or a prostitute?

If no - then is that not also a case of 2ndary legalism?

 

[Widlast]

OK - I get that.

Tell me - do you think it is possible to be a Christian in good standing and still continue to be a hit man for the mob or a prostitute?

If no - then is that not also a case of 2ndary legalism?

You cannot indulge in any "willfully evil" behaviors and be a "Christian in good standing".

There are no Christian rapists, murderers, thieves, etc.
They can call themselves Christian but that does not make them so.

a quote I like:
Going to church doesn't make you a Christian any more than going to a carwash makes you a car.

 

[Dave-W]

And there are many who believe that having any part in serving alcohol is "willfully evil." The church I grew up in included even accidentally smelling alcohol to be the sin of drunkenness and cost you your salvation.

 

[bhsmte]

Alcoholism and drunkenness.
I think that would make God frown...

Glutony may too. Does this mean you dont eat?

 

[jimmyjimmy]

OK - I get that.

Tell me - do you think it is possible to be a Christian in good standing and still continue to be a hit man for the mob or a prostitute?

If no - then is that not also a case of 2ndary legalism?

Murder and fornication are sins. As I said, secondary legalism adds extra-biblical tests of orthodoxy i.e. things that the Bible doesn't speak of or doesn't condemn e.g. drinking alcohol.

 

[Locutus]

Glutony may too. Does this mean you dont eat?

It means no True Believer is overweight. I'm sure that's true, in the Bible Belt and the South. Amiright?

 

[Locutus]

That's interesting! Off the top of my head, the only ones here that don't sell alcohol are fast food places and restaurants that target children/families specifically.

We do have licensed places, but as mentioned, they're at the very top and very bottom. Having said that, there are more at the bottom end. Though I don't know who frequents such places, as the few near here are almost always empty. Big, American style diner type places - where the quality and creativity of the food doesn't even enter the picture. They're an abomination. I always feel really sorry for the poor 'chefs' who work at these joints. It'd be like studying for years to be a brain surgeon then being asked to empty bed pans.

The majority of our restaurants are small, intimate, cosy, unlicensed, café type places. The focus is on the quality of the food entirely. No extraneous stuff because that's not what people here are looking for. We're looking for a FOOD experience, not a large building experience. It's assumed patrons are food literate, so everything is pitched at the informed diner. Folk who don't know what Balsamic vinegar is, much less how to use it, are not likely to be keen diners so no point pitching at them.

I'm not sure what a 'family restaurant' is. I don't think we have those here - unless it's the big barn style diners. But then those are all licensed, so maybe not. I have to admit, the idea of a restaurant being pitched specifically at families fills me with dread. I have visions of plastic baskets of French fries. Shudder.

 

[bhsmte]

It means no True Believer is overweight. I'm sure that's true, in the Bible Belt and the South. Amiright?

Try about 40-50%

 

[Locutus]

Try about 40-50%

Isn't gluttony a deadly sin?

 

[Dave-W]

The majority of our restaurants are small, intimate, cosy, unlicensed, café type places.

Here, "unlicensed" means you get shut down as soon as the authorities discover your existence.

 

[Desk trauma]

Here, "unlicensed" means you get shut down as soon as the authorities discover your existence.

It's a reference to having a license to sell alcohol.

 

[Hetta]

Due to the fact that I would be supporting something that is frowned upon. As a Christian it's frowned upon to have a couple drinks every now and then. Or even any at all.

So people frown. Some people will frown if you open a delicatessen, some will frown if you open a hardware store.

Those that frown at alcohol evidently didn't read the Bible. When Jesus turned the water into wine, that was not grape juice.

 

[Dave-W]

It's a reference to having a license to sell alcohol.

OK - but serving a fine wine with that cuisine w/o the liquor license is just as bad.

That was not how I read Locutus' post.

 

[ilovesendai7]

It is something about keeping sober which the importance is stressed enough in the Bible.

So the Bible is telling us to be sober and you are giving opportunities to make people NOT sober. It's just plain wrong.

Otherwise, restaurant is fine.... Just don't include a bar.

Gluttony is a sin too, so should they also avoid selling food?

 

[farout]

OK - but serving a fine wine with that cuisine w/o the liquor license is just as bad.

That was not how I read Locutus' post.

The issue of drinking is long been a topic of arguments. Romans tells us not to be a stumbling block for others, especially new and weak Christians. To be an example for others to follow. To many people look for Biblical reasons to support them having a drink.

For me, I do not drink for two reasons. I feel it is a sin for me. Secondly the medicine I take would prove to be a real health risk for even one drink. That came about only recently. I would rather have a soft drink even before the medical issue.

We are not responsible for anyone personal life choices, we are to live by example. When I was a pastor I NEVER had anyone offer me a hard drink. They were also looking after my testimony to lead by example. All these issues are a matter of yielding to Jesus every part of my life.

 

[joshua 1 9]

Gluttony is a sin too, so should they also avoid selling food?

We should avoid selling food that is not good for people. I do not see any problem with selling good food that does not harm people. We should do our best not to harm people or be a part of them harming themselves. There are actually very few jobs where we do good. Jesus was a carpenter so He always did good for others. Paul was a tent maker.

 

[joshua 1 9]

Those that frown at alcohol evidently didn't read the Bible. When Jesus turned the water into wine, that was not grape juice.

We had a new years party last year and there was a bottle of wine. There were people that took a little sip to see what it tasted like. Then one girl pretty much drank the whole bottle. Clearly the problem is in excess and some people do not seem to be able to control their excesses. The key is moderation in all things. Meat in moderation is ok, but if you eat a lot of meat then you are in danger of a stoke or heart disease. Because of fatty deposits that build up in your arteries. I had a friend I tired to get him to cut back on eating to much meat. He would not listen until he came down with gout, and how he is cutting back. To many people wait until they are sick to cut back on their excesses. Some people do not even cut back then and they are the ones that die in their sin. Because this stuff tends to build up in our system and we need to be cleansed and purified.

 

[FireDragon76]

The Bible doesn't speak against snorting cocaine or smoking meth, either. Clearly, we need some other standard of ethics beyond what the Bible doesn't prohibit.

 

[Rir]

Just about every business on the planet does us harm. Very VERY few don't, and even fewer are actually in our best interests.

Does this mean you must refrain from owning a business, or working in 99% of businesses?

 

[Rir]

I don't believe any of us are supposed to live the way we are living at all.we aren't supposed to have a grocery store to buy our food, we are suppose to hunt, raise, and hunt we are supposed to grow our gardens, personally, my journey has led me to homestead. And it couldn't be a better time!! Gunk about it the way it was that's how it was intended the government is taking over as Christians we just need to make better decisions and come together