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This is from a 2001 survey of denominational grouping sizes in the US:There are American Churches that are larger than the UMC; Southern Baptist Convention and Assemblies of God to name a few.
Miller (of the Millerite disappointment) was a Holiness Methodist evangelist who predicted the return of the Lord in 1844. Ellen G White (who founded the SDA) was a disciple of his.
Pentecostalism started circa 1900 in Topeka KS at Bethel Bible school established 3 years earlier by C F Parham, a Holiness Methodist circuit preacher. Parham started another school in Texas where William Seymour enrolled as a student. He (Seymour) went on to start the Azuza St, revival in LA.
So both those movements have roots in Holiness Methodism.
This is from a 2001 survey of denominational grouping sizes in the US:
Baptists*** 33,830,000
Methodist / Wesleyan 14,150,000
Assemblies of God 1,106,000
*** includes all kinds of Baptists. Could not find numbers on just the SBC.
http://undergod.procon.org/view.background-resource.php?resourceID=87
Apples and tire irons buddy.Just because the founders of these movements studied under Methodists doesn't mean that I would credit Methodism as founding these movements. I studied at Calvary Chapel Bible College but I attend a Lutheran Church does that mean that Calvary Chapel founded Lutheranism?
Ok so what's your opinion on this. If a Christian can't own a restaurant/bar. Due to the fact that there are ppl struggling with being alcoholics ect..... Then why is it Right for a Christian to own a restaurant of ANY sort? because there are many ppl struggling with being obese....
Apples and tire irons buddy.
If Martin Luther attended a CC bible school, perhaps that link could be made.
If Chuck Smith attended a Lutheran seminary (historically more possible) a link the other way could be made.
...and, ironically, fast food probably does more damage than alcohol.I believe its the serving of alcohol that presents a problem. Or at least it would be for me. However, it have become very difficult to find a place, except fast food places, to find a place that does not serve hard drinks.
We know that Martin Luther not only drank beer, but that his wife Katharina von Bora was a brewer.
And anyone who has read "The History of the World in Six Glasses" is fully aware of that. My point was that L:uther condemed only drinking to excess. There was nothing wrong with consuming alcoholic beverages in moderation in 1517, there is nothing wrong with consuming those same beverages in moderation today.Going off topic a bit. Many people home brewed back then from necessity. Sanitation was almost non-existent. Water from community wells, especially in cities, was often loaded with pathogenic bacteria and parasites. Diarrheal disease was a major cause of death. If you weren't going to boil your water regularly, then you'd be safer drinking an alcoholic brew. It wasn't really until the 1850-60s, that city wells were dug deeper to avoid contamination by cesspool and gutter run-off.
Christians are free to own bars.
That's interesting! Off the top of my head, the only ones here that don't sell alcohol are fast food places and restaurants that target children/families specifically.Also, all your restaurants appear to be licensed to sell alcohol. We don't get that here.
I can think of some places that target the breakfast and lunch time crowd that don't serve alcohol. But if they intend to draw the evening dinner crowd most do serve alcohol, unless like you said they are more specifically family/kids.That's interesting! Off the top of my head, the only ones here that don't sell alcohol are fast food places and restaurants that target children/families specifically.
Ok so what's your opinion on this. If a Christian can't own a restaurant/bar. Due to the fact that there are ppl struggling with being alcoholics ect..... Then why is it Right for a Christian to own a restaurant of ANY sort? because there are many ppl struggling with being obese....
You're probably right about that.I am quite certain, a whole bunch of Christians own bars, own restaurants and even own stores, that sell cigarettes.
Why is it that Baptists are equated with "no alcohol?" That came from the Wesleyan Holiness movement.You guys have ALOT of Baptists. I've known one Baptist family in my entire life, and they were nuts
Explain "secondary legalism."There is a secondary legalism to the no alcohol thing.
Explain "secondary legalism."
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