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Growing up I heard endless sermons on how smelling alcohol was the sin of drunkenness (which made you lose salvation) and how many people were going to hell for having a bottle of Scope or Listerine; or vanilla extract in their house.
 
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Teetotaling is more of a strict Baptist/Pentecostal type of belief.
Actually it is from the Wesleyan Holiness movement of the 1800s.
 
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Due to the fact that I would be supporting something that is frowned upon. As a Christian it's frowned upon to have a couple drinks every now and then. Or even any at all.
Is that why Jesus turned water into wine?
 
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I see you're in Texas. I suppose you would know better than I would, but if this is true about Texan culture, it's news to me.
Who buys all that Alamo beer?
 
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οἶνον is in the text, it is wine.
The best wine according to the guests.
Yes I know.

I was quoting my pastor growing up. He "proved" it was actually grape juice by that statement.

"He said they saved the best for last and EVERYONE knows that grape juice is much better than that nasty old alcohol stuff."

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Yes I know.

I was quoting my pastor growing up. He "proved" it was actually grape juice by that statement.

"He said they saved the best for last and EVERYONE knows that grape juice is much better than that nasty old alcohol stuff."

[/sarcasm]
Oh, I see. You didn’t use a “smiley” so I thought you were serious.
 
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Due to the fact that I would be supporting something that is frowned upon. As a Christian it's frowned upon to have a couple drinks every now and then. Or even any at all.

Some Christians may have that attitude but it is not at all a universal attitude among Christians. Most Christians partake of alcohol as part of a worship service. Drunkenness is considered sinful but for the vast majority of Christians having a couple of drinks is not. Just as gluttony( not obesity btw that may be a medical condition unrelated to gluttony ) is considered sinful but eating is not.
 
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I see you're in Texas. I suppose you would know better than I would, but if this is true about Texan culture, it's news to me.
It's true in parts of Texas. My dad grew up in a dry county in the Texas panhandle. His dad's name was Wesley Brian. His mom blamed my mom (a Roman Catholic from Southeast Texas) for leading her son to the sin of drink. He used to run liquor into his college campus for pocket money.
 
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Due to the fact that I would be supporting something that is frowned upon. As a Christian it's frowned upon to have a couple drinks every now and then. Or even any at all.
Who told you that drinking alcohol is frowned upon?
Certainly wasn't Irish. (or ever lived in Europe).
Drinking alcohol is not the problem, drinking too much alcohol and losing control is the problem.

Remember "An Irishman isn't drunk as long as he can hold onto one blade of grass and not fall off the face of the Earth."
 
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Grape juice.
Based on the climate of the area and the fact that there were other parties/pass overs that He did not attend that makes no sense.
 
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How does any of this stop you?
 
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Based on the climate of the area and the fact that there were other parties/pass overs that He did not attend that makes no sense.
Except this was a transmutation of water into something else. That could have been anything.

If it had been actually harvested from grapes and allowed to sit for any time, I would agree with you. But this was not that situation.
 
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Just something I'm struggling with because I have always wanted to own a.restaurant/bar. But is getting criticized because it's not "Christian" to sell alcohol.

Selling alcohol is fine because drinking is not a sin. Drunkenness is a sin so technically it could be argued you're causing someone to stumble by selling them alcohol when you know they've had too much, but generally speaking I don't see anything inherently wrong with a Christian owning a bar.
 
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Who told you that drinking alcohol is frowned upon?
Anyone and everyone in the Wesleyan Holiness camp. Not just frowned upon; a salvic issue. Drink and go to hell.
 
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Just something I'm struggling with because I have always wanted to own a.restaurant/bar. But is getting criticized because it's not "Christian" to sell alcohol.


It is something about keeping sober which the importance is stressed enough in the Bible.

So the Bible is telling us to be sober and you are giving opportunities to make people NOT sober. It's just plain wrong.

Otherwise, restaurant is fine.... Just don't include a bar.


If you want the easy-going atmosphere of a bar but without a bar. You could then open up an automotive-themed restaurant with an automotive shop... "We'll fill your car with oil, while we fill your gut with food!"

The special, signature meal is of course, called "the roadkill" which is a type of beef burger and fries thrown randomly together in a plate that looks like hubcap.....Of course, don't take it seriously, it is just a suggestion for you not to open a bar!
 
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Anyone and everyone in the Wesleyan Holiness camp. Not just frowned upon; a salvic issue. Drink and go to hell.
It's amazing the things that some folks get hung up on.
I vaguely remember somebody important saying something about "straining at gnats and swallowing camels".
 
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