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Now I know that you must not have much in the way of reading comprehension skills. First, Lot did not throw his daughters to the crowd, let alone give them to the angels to rape. You do know who the angels were, don't you? Well, probably not, but let's just say that it's pretty blasphemous to call those 2 rapists. You'd better be real sure!Excuse me...read it. It is EXACTLY what Lot did with his daughters. Perhaps you won't allow yourself to read it that way b/c it's something you don't agree with, therefore, it can't be. I don't have my bible with me, but I'm not sure how else you would take Lot saying to the visting angels.."take my daughters and make them women". Not only that, Moses asked God NOT to destory the city so I guess Moses supported homosexuals then? Since you seem to be a fundamentalist, and a literalist, I expected a little bit more from you...but you know how it goes...expecations only lead to disappointments....
Abraham got God to agree that if God found 10 righteous people in the city, he would save it. God agreed. Well, we have Lot, his wife, his 2 virgin daughters. That's 4 people. He couldn't even talk his sons-in-law and married daughters into leaving. That's pathetic. Moses wouldn't be alive for another 600 years or so. He couldn't have talked to God about saving Sodom - Sodom was already brimstone!Excuse me...read it. It is EXACTLY what Lot did with his daughters. Perhaps you won't allow yourself to read it that way b/c it's something you don't agree with, therefore, it can't be. I don't have my bible with me, but I'm not sure how else you would take Lot saying to the visting angels.."take my daughters and make them women". Not only that, Moses asked God NOT to destory the city so I guess Moses supported homosexuals then? Since you seem to be a fundamentalist, and a literalist, I expected a little bit more from you...but you know how it goes...expecations only lead to disappointments....
I condemn fornication and adultery as well. They are as destructive but no one participating is saying that it's not sin!It's funny how you use Leviticus to support your prejudice and condemnation of homosexuals, but I doubt you'd support the stoning of children or burning of witches, also supported by the Old Testament. Then again, with fundamentalists, you never know...
Fornication is the overwhelmingly majority of sexual sins, yet I don't hear fundamentalists ever condemning that. It's always against homosexuals, a very tiny minority.
I read this and don't know whether to laugh or cry. This is very basic Bible knowledge - doesn't take an obsessive scholar to understand these things!If I meant to speak about Abraham, I would have. I don't live and breath my bible in an obsessive way which makes for toxic thinking, so for that I apologize. You seem to know it by heart, but yet look how judgemental and hateful you are? Where was your learning while memorizing all your scriptures? Don't try to spin this and say otherwise. If God came down today and said homosexuality is perfectly fine..it was in my plan...you would most likely believe him to be a false god and think it was satan. Not to get into a whole other issue, but when we waited for Christ for ever, and when he was born, no one believed it was him and was born in a barn, in an animals manger. Then, when he grew and started to preach, we still didn't believe it was him and we crucified him. twice we didn't accept him. Would you possibly accept him a third time? If you're not about love which is strongest, and the center of all of what God is about...then you need to rethink things. I'm not going to go head to head with you on homosexuality, because your beliefs will never change. Nor will mine. That being said...step aside from it and don't let it turn your heart hateful and cold. Love my friend..love! Not some hippy sorta 60s thing...i'm talking about being brothers with your brothers..especially with those that aren't like you! That is where the proof is. embracing your friends are one thing, and its very easy with no thought. Embrace someone different than you...it teaches volumes. Peace.
I read this and don't know whether to laugh or cry. This is very basic Bible knowledge - doesn't take an obsessive scholar to understand these things!
What you don't seem to understand, Rick, is that it is your obsession and defensiveness which is the problem, not a lack of love on our part. We do love you. It's a shame you don't see that.
So if you condemn them, and the overwhelming majority of humans commit at least one of those 2 sins, making it by far the worst of the sexual sins, why does homosexuality get far more attention from the fundamentalists?I condemn fornication and adultery as well. They are as destructive but no one participating is saying that it's not sin!
Unbelievers aren't allowed to post here, so I have no idea why your post is directed to them.What unbelievers fail to see is that we Christians endure incessants attacks and attacks against our Lord to witness to them so they'll go to heaven. So what are their motives for trying to keep people from heaven? The notion that they are omniscient enough to claim that they are right and Jesus is wrong?So sorry, but until their motives become loving, then they are in no position to criticize the motives of Christians.
Unbelievers aren't allowed to post here, so I have no idea why your post is directed to them.
9 ¶ (LIT) Or do you not know that unjust ones will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be led astray, neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor abusers, nor homosexuals,
10 (LIT) nor thieves, nor covetous ones, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor plunderers shall inherit the kingdom of God.
What unbelievers fail to see is that we Christians endure incessants attacks and attacks against our Lord to witness to them so they'll go to heaven. So what are their motives for trying to keep people from heaven? The notion that they are omniscient enough to claim that they are right and Jesus is wrong?So sorry, but until their motives become loving, then they are in no position to criticize the motives of Christians.
Please quote me the verse about ripping a child's tongue out for talking back to his parents. I don't remember where that is.
Sorry, let me be a literalist for a moment, and rest my mind for a bit...
Deuteronomy 21:18-21 ( i know you fundies love those digits)...If a man have a stubborn /rebellioius son (again, guess if it's a daughter, in fundie speak..it's ok) (which I guess for fundies, if it's a WOMAN, then the stubborn child is ok, since there is no reference to it)which will not obey the voice of this father and that, when they have chastened him will not harken unto them, then sall this father lay hold on him and bring him out unto the elders of his city, and the men of the city shalls tone him with stones that he shall die. (fundie women..ur saved here..bible doesn't reference you, so breath a little easier)
Such ignorance of scripture is no defense. You defend yourself with empty rhetoric and slogans, not scriptural truth.
Plese don't tell me what "spiritual truth" is when you turn into some ugly and as a weapon to get people to bow to your judgements.
I agree with you about Lot offering up his daughters - that was abominable but it might have been preferable to what happened to Lot and his daughters later, mighten it?
EEK - edited to add that you said Lot wanted to throw his daughters to the angels to be raped. I'd like a chapter and verse on that little tidbit also!
Oops, my bad..didn't know you walked the planet 2000+ years ago, so do tell me who the angels were. As far as my comprehension skills oh kind one, while you may believe in excercising gay men and women, perhaps there may be a few things you can related to...he with no sin cast the first stone:Exodus 21:17 - and he that curseth this father, shall surely be put to deathNow I know that you must not have much in the way of reading comprehension skills. First, Lot did not throw his daughters to the crowd, let alone give them to the angels to rape. You do know who the angels were, don't you? Well, probably not, but let's just say that it's pretty blasphemous to call those 2 rapists. You'd better be real sure!
God didn't write those verses, so what makes you think he said that? And you pick and choose which you want to believe all the time, unless you believe the Earth is flat and children should be stoned to death.Do you believe what GOD's says here,..
Or are you still picking and choosing what you wish to believe?
God didn't write those verses, so what makes you think he said that? And you pick and choose which you want to believe all the time, unless you believe the Earth is flat and children should be stoned to death.
Why, so you can tell me how much better you are than me, and how unsaved I am? No thanks, it's none of your business.Why don't you tell us how you became born-again Jase?
Why, so you can tell me how much better you are than me, and how unsaved I am? No thanks, it's none of your business.
That's not appropriate Dave.
Why? I'm not ashamed to share mine, and I have many times before. Our testimony is part of what we overcome satan with.
This thread is not about someones salvation. It about the biblical perspective on homosexuality.
His relationship with God is none of your business unless he chooses to share just as yours is not our business unless it is part of the thread subject.
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