Change is Coming

[Lost4words]

The Bible is written in metaphoric/symbolic language. Revelation's plot line was to reveal Jesus and the New Covenant (do you NOT believe we are in the New Covenant?):

Quoting from linked article:
It is important to understand that in the book of Revelation, as in other parts of sacred Scripture, the "passing away" of heaven and earth is not necessarily the end of the world as we know it, nor is it necessarily the dissolution of the existing universe. It was St. Peter' message in his great homily given during the Jewish Feast of Shavuot / Weeks (known as the Feast of Pentecost in the first century AD; see Acts 2:1) when he quoted from Joel 3:1-5 (Acts 2:16-21), announcing that the "Last Days" have come to mankind with the apocalyptic event of Jesus' death, resurrection, and ascension. St. Peter's message to the crowd of Jews on their way to the Temple to celebrate the feast that commemorated the giving of the Law at Mt. Sinai was that those of his generation were now living in the "new and final" age prophesied by the prophet Isaiah as the time of "new heavens and a new earth" (Is 65:17; 66:22).​

St. John's revelation is apocalyptic literature concerned with the apocalyptic events as they unfolded in the time after Jesus' ascension to the Father as the "gate" or "door of heaven" now stood open (Rev. 4:1)'the "door" of heaven having been closed since man's fall from grace in Eden but an event now made possible through Christ's sacrifice on the altar of the Cross (Catechism of the Catholic Church # 1026) ~ The Revelation of Jesus Christ to His Servant John - Introduction Part 1​

Everything in Revelation has to be read through this filter: "A revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave Him so that He could tell His servants what is now to take place very soon; He sent His angel to make it known to His servant John, and John has borne witness to the Word of God and to the witness of Jesus Christ, everything that he saw (Rev 1:1).

This is very true. Revelation is indeed written in metaphoric/symbolic language. One cannot take it literally.

 

[keras]

Isaiah 39 has only 8 verses.

Corrected: Isaiah 30:26 The sun shall shine with seven times its usual brightness and the moon will shine as bright as the sun.....
The ONLY way this can literally happen, is for the sun to emit a powerful Coronal Mass Ejection.
To spiritualize it is to make the Bible meaningless and to think it happened in the past is to contradict the historical record.

 

[mkgal1]

Quoting from David Chilton's Days of Vengeance: “The testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy” (Rev. 19:10); to ignore Jesus in favor of atomic blasts is a perversion of Scripture, a blasphemous twisting of God’s holy Word. (p. 24).

 

[Lost4words]

Corrected: Isaiah 30:26 The sun shall shine with seven times its usual brightness and the moon will shine as bright as the sun.....
The ONLY way this can literally happen, is for the sun to emit a powerful Coronal Mass Ejection.
To spiritualize it is to make the Bible meaningless and to think it happened in the past is to contradict the historical record.

You assume its meant to be taken 'literally'

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

You assume its meant to be taken 'literally'

Like me, and other Ekklesia, he and we listen to Jesus.
As Jesus says "MY sheep HEAR MY VOICE"
as well as
our FATHER in heaven has good pleasure in REVEALING EVERYTHING ABOUT SALVATION to us, His little children !

So , we know. Father says so. Man's tradition goes against Him so often, it is best to stop following or listening to man's tradition. Especially since, and when, man's tradition is so much contrary to God's Word.

 

[Lost4words]

Like me, and other Ekklesia, he and we listen to Jesus.
As Jesus says "MY sheep HEAR MY VOICE"
as well as
our FATHER in heaven has good pleasure in REVEALING EVERYTHING ABOUT SALVATION to us, His little children !

So , we know. Father says so. Man's tradition goes against Him so often, it is best to stop following or listening to man's tradition. Especially since, and when, man's tradition is so much contrary to God's Word.

Then you had better stop following you very own tradition then.

God bless you buddy

 

[charsan]

It is man's tradition that everything is to be taken literally

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

This is very true. Revelation is indeed written in metaphoric/symbolic language. One cannot take it literally.

Unless one listens to the Shepherd...... and takes it as Yahuweh reveals it ....

 

[Lost4words]

It is man's tradition that everything is to be taken literally

Very true indeed

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Then you had better stop following you very own tradition then.

No tradition.
I repented of all of man's tradition and teachings that were /are/ contrary to the Father in heaven, and opposed to His Word.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Very true indeed

You just contradicted your previous posts, ....

 

[Lost4words]

Unless one listens to the Shepherd...... and takes it as Yahuweh reveals it ....

You read it. You see it as you think it reads. This is obvious by many of your posts friend.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

You read it. You see it as you think it reads. This is obvious by many of your posts friend.

You say. You think.

But the Father says it is HIS GOOD PLEASURE TO REVEAL THE TRUTH... NOT my thinking it is so, nor reading it "in the flesh"....

EVERYONE who receives the FATHER'S REVELATION receives the SAME TRUTH.

NOT in line with man's teachings nor man's traditions.

 

[Lost4words]

No tradition.
I repented of all of man's tradition and teachings that were /are/ contrary to the Father in heaven, and opposed to His Word.

Anabaptist. You follow the tradition of the anabaptist!

I follow the Holy Tradition, Apostolic succession and Holy Scripture as given by Jesus to His church.

 

[Lost4words]

You just contradicted your previous posts, ....

Small 't' not big 'T'

 

[mkgal1]

Corrected: Isaiah 30:26 The sun shall shine with seven times its usual brightness and the moon will shine as bright as the sun.....
The ONLY way this can literally happen, is for the sun to emit a powerful Coronal Mass Ejection.
To spiritualize it is to make the Bible meaningless and to think it happened in the past is to contradict the historical record.

.....or that it is NOT taken literally, but instead, to mean symbolically that there WAS an increase in spiritual brightness.

Matthew Henry's commentary says:
Isaiah Chapter 30
The prophecy of this chapter seems to relate (as that in the foregoing chapter) to the approaching danger of Jerusalem and desolations of Judah by Sennacherib's invasion.

III. A gracious promise to those who trusted in God, that they should not only see through the trouble, but should see happy days after it, times of joy and reformation, plenty of the means of grace, and therewith plenty of outward good things and increasing joys and triumphs (v. 18-26), and many of these promises are very applicable to gospel grace ~ Commentary on Isaiah 30 by Matthew Henry​

 

[Lost4words]

You say. You think.

But the Father says it is HIS GOOD PLEASURE TO REVEAL THE TRUTH... NOT my thinking it is so, nor reading it "in the flesh"....

EVERYONE who receives the FATHER'S REVELATION receives the SAME TRUTH.

NOT in line with man's teachings nor man's traditions.

Just like, all the other protestant denominations then who each have their own 'truth' on what scripture is saying..

 

[charsan]

Just like, all the other protestant denominations then who each have their own 'truth' on what scripture is saying..

Not just denominations but each person that looks at a Bible has their own "individual truth".

 

[Lost4words]

Not just denominations but each person that looks at a Bible has their own "individual truth".

Correct.

How many times have we read that Jesus has told someone scripture means this or that?

 

[mkgal1]

The ONLY way this can literally happen, is for the sun to emit a powerful Coronal Mass Ejection.
To spiritualize it is to make the Bible meaningless.

What *meaningful* message comes from catastrophic natural occurrences like what you're describing?

I can't understand how gleaning spiritual messages - as to what I quoted earlier, by Matthew Henry - is "meaningless"?