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Greetings and very nice post!I'm bemused by the idea put forward that possible new members might be driven off by a little looseness in accepting people of varying Christian belief sets while various sections of the site are home to a frightening number of people with really aberrant views. A quick skim through Christian Current Affairs (and none of us dirty agnostics and atheists are allowed to sully the waters there!) would be enough to convince many sane and prudent people not to join.
In the past few days there have been members hinting by use of hebrew homophones with his name that Barack Obama may be the antiChrist, people insisting that the works of well-known Chicano artist Leo Tanguma are full of horrifying symbolism revealing dark plots (I'm sure this would interest Mr. Tanguma, and I may contact him in this regard out of courtesy -I wouldn't want my own paintings discussed in this way), people suggesting the US military will exercise martial law in the fall (this included ignoring the protest and informative words of an actual member of the armed forces), as well as many wild accusations of evil intent on the part of the government of the US.
Pauler et al are worried about a little Universalism when outright and possibly dangerous in some sense tinfoil hat-ism runs rampant through some of your boards.
Universalism would also seem to contradict Romans 9:27, as stated here only a Remnant would be save of "israel". Correct?before anyone goes crazy on it,
I saw Jack Van Impe on his program a few
wks ago say that it's very possible w/
the antichrist thing.
Not saying it makes it legit, only that
it's been on tv from a ministry that does
have some credibility in accuracy w/ prophecy
(biblically however, I don't see it as possible)
Still, there is some reason this is being floated.
But there's a HUGE difference from speculation
to heresy or false teaching.
Universalism is allowed at CF in the proper
forum: Unorthodox.
Tissue, I think you're confusing a doctrine of universalism withThe new movement of Universalism being placed in Unorthodox Theology is a joke, and here's why: The Nicene Creed was generated in an atmosphere of Universalism.
Tissue, I think you're confusing a doctrine of universalism with
unity or tolerance of people in general. The boards have kept
an orthodox view of Christianity
Reve 20:15/14:11 also seems to dispel the view of Universalism I would think.....Universalism would also seem to contradict Romans 9:27, as stated here only a Remnant would be save of "israel". Correct?
Romans 9:27 "Isaiah yet cries-out over the Israel 'if-ever may be the Number of the sons of Israel as the Sand of the Sea, the Remnant shall be being Saved'". [Daniel 12:1/Romans 11:26]
before anyone goes crazy on it,
I saw Jack Van Impe on his program a few
wks ago say that it's very possible w/
the antichrist thing.
Not saying it makes it legit, only that
it's been on tv from a ministry that does
have some credibility in accuracy w/ prophecy
(biblically however, I don't see it as possible)
Still, there is some reason this is being floated.
But there's a HUGE difference from speculation
to heresy or false teaching depending on doctrines.
& Universalism is allowed at CF in the proper
forum: Unorthodox.
One of the funniest books in my collection.
I'm wondering what the rebuttals have to do with our theology lining up with the Nicene Creed?
I believe in one God, the Father Almighty, Creator of heaven and earth, of all things visible and invisible. And in one Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, the only-begotten, born of the Father before all ages. Light of light, true God of true God, begotten, not made, of one substance with the Father, through whom all things were made. Who for us men and for our salvation, came down from heaven, and was incarnate from the Holy Spirit and Mary the Virgin, and became man. He was also crucified for us under Pontius Pilate, and suffered and was buried. And He rose again on the third day, according to the scriptures. And He ascended into heaven, and sits at the right hand of the Father. And He will come again with glory, to judge the living and the dead, and of His kingdom there will be no end. And in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, and Giver of life, who proceeds from the Father, who together with the Father and the Son is worshipped and glorified, Who spoke through the prophets. In one, holy, catholic and apostolic Church. I profess one baptism for the remission of sins. I expect the resurrection of the dead; and the life of the world to come. Amen.
Love,
kat
I believe that is also an interesting questionIf I understand correctly, the Nicene creed is the mythos*. Historically, Christianity is also interested in the logos**. We are discussing both, I think.
Now that you have affirmed the creed, how will its application look on CF, particularly as you live it out? I think that's a very interesting question.
* The interrelated set of beliefs, attitudes, and values held, in this case, by orthodox Christians. (This word, as used by me in the sentence above, is not in any way meant to imply judgment as to the validity of the creed's truth claims.)
** The fleshing out of the mythos. It's practical application, as it were.
Who was discussing that? Just curiousWhat place does a discussion of the filioque have here?
I believe that is also an interesting question
Creeds of Christendom
What is a Creed?
The Creeds and Confessions produced by the Christian Church over the centuries are not inspired additions to Scripture nor in any way replacements for the words of Christ and his apostles or the prophets which preceded them. Instead these human documents are carefully considered and usually thoughtfully worded responses to various issues, heresies and historical situations that have troubled the Church and the world over the centuries.
- 1: a brief authoritative formula of religious belief
2: a set of fundamental beliefs
3: a guiding principle
Creeds are statements of faith that are true and authoritative insofar as they accurately reflect what Scripture teaches. Those linked here have been found useful either by the entire Church or by important segments and/or denominations of it over the ages. They are thus helpful "measuring sticks" for orthodoxy. Canons but not the canon.
Creed - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
A creed is a statement of beliefusually religious beliefor faith often recited as part of a religious service. The word derives from the Latin: credo for I believe and credimus for we believe. It is sometimes called symbol (Greek: σύμβολο[ν]), signifying a "token" by which persons of like beliefs might recognize each other.
The most definitive creed in Christianity is the Nicene Creed, formulated in AD 325 at the First Council of Nicaea. Affirmation of this creed, which describes the Trinity, is generally taken as a fundamental test of orthodoxy.[1] The Apostle's Creed is also broadly accepted.
Some denominations, including Unitarians, Quakers, Baptists, Messianics, and Restorationists, have rejected the authority of those creeds.[citation needed]
36"Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?" 37Jesus replied: " 'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind. 38This is the first and greatest commandment. 39And the second is like it: 'Love your neighbor as yourself. 40All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments." Matt 22:36-40