The Kingdom of God, God's dwelling place, the New Jerusalem, etc. In other words, names actually found in the Bible. According to your theology, God only dwells in the lds celestial kingdom. By Biblical standards, the lds terrestial and telestial kingdoms cannot be called heavenly places since God does not dwell there. Furthermore, there are no "levels" in heaven, so the lds celestial version cannot be true, either.What do you call the third heaven? It does have a name I presume.
It is true that we are saved by grace and without grace we would not be saved nor will we be saved without works:
Where does Jesus refer to himself as a "hot person"? Where does he say that we need to be "a pretty hot person" to be with him?Apparently you have not read the description of Jesus in Revelations after his resurrection.
(Revelation 1:14-15)
Jesus is a pretty hot person in all his glory, and you better be a pretty hot person also in order to be in his presence. Think about it. It is not blasphemy , just because you have never heard or thought of something.
The two verses you quoted say nothing about our hope of the divine nature of God, but these do:Because it is the basis of the Christian faith, found in both the scriptures (e.g., John 1:1-13, Matthew 16:16, etc.) and all the other foundational Christian writings (e.g., the Creed, the ancient shared by the most ancient churches of Christianity like the Trisagion/Agios, "O Monogenes Yios", the "Is Pateer"), etc.
As you have shown here by your excerpt, it is that by which we escape the corruption of the world. Christ, having known no corruption by sin, since He knew no sin (2 Corinthians 5:21), as He was by the divine nature sinless, has offered us the same promise by His incarnation, that we may be partakers in the same divinity by which He naturally experiences no corruption.
Thus we do not become God ourselves (as in Mormonism; God forbid!), but become like God in becoming sinless and hence knowing no corruption (immortality), by our union with Him. It is, as I've heard one Eastern Orthodox priest put it, "union without fusion", which seems good enough to me despite not being Eastern Orthodox personally.
But that is again the crucial difference between Mormonism and Christianity: we may become like Him (not become Him!) in this very certain way by our union with Him, whereas He never had to become [like] Himself (?) by any process; He always was and always is and always will be, because that's of His nature as God (He is eternal and unchanging).
So Mormonism is 100% wrong and at odds with Christianity when it teaches, as in the King Follett sermon or elsewhere, that God needed to learn and progress to become God from his previous status as man, and hence you and I can do the same. No. That's blasphemy of the highest order.
You say there are no levels in heaven, but why are there three heavens then? As I have shown before, works are indeed important, would you deny God?:The Kingdom of God, God's dwelling place, the New Jerusalem, etc. In other words, names actually found in the Bible. According to your theology, God only dwells in the lds celestial kingdom. By Biblical standards, the lds terrestial and telestial kingdoms cannot be called heavenly places since God does not dwell there. Furthermore, there are no "levels" in heaven, so the lds celestial version cannot be true, either.
Therefore, you have a dilemma with Matthew 7:23. You believe something other than what Christ and his apostles taught, so that warning is directed at you.
Which totally dismisses Ephesians 2:8-9 and other Scripture. Since you like quoting OT Scripture, how about reflecting on Isaiah 64:6:
All of us have become like one who is unclean, and all our righteous acts are like filthy rags; we all shrivel up like a leaf, and like the wind our sins sweep us away.
Our works are evidence of our salvation; our salvation is not the product of our works.
The scriptures say Jesus became God:
You say there are no levels in heaven, but why are there three heavens then? As I have shown before, works are indeed important, would you deny God?:
(New Testament | Titus 1:16)
You are mixed up. That was a quote from Phoebe Ann, ask her not Peter.Where does Jesus refer to himself as a "hot person"? Where does he say that we need to be "a pretty hot person" to be with him?You are definitely not following the gospel here.
Are you arguing with the Bible? Jesus thought it not robbery to be equal to God so He did.So wrong! Jesus was God before the world began--He created everything. He became man.
That is your opinion, there is no scriptural reference to this.It's not rocket science---the first heaven is the atmosphere around the earth--what is called the firmament in the bible. The second heaven is where all the stars, planets and galaxies are--where God placed all the lights ---what we call "outer space". The 3rd heavens is where He dwells.
Are you arguing with the Bible? Jesus thought it not robbery to be equal to God so He did.
That is your opinion, there is no scriptural reference to this.
Like mormonism in general, you contradict yourself and use circular reasoning. May you quit chasing your tail and know the real meaning of God's grace.We are not saved by works, but if you believe we was saved without works you are in for a disappointment. It is impossible to keep the commandments without works.
That is your opinion, there is no scriptural reference to this.
Additional Scripture references:Excuse me!! Look, read the bible--Jesus called the atmosphere around us the firmament, then He put the lights of the heavens, beyond our lights is the 2nd heaven--where the other galaxies are---His dwelling place is the 3rd heaven.
Gen 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
Gen 1:8 And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.
Gen 1:16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.
Gen 1:17 And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,
2Co_12:2 I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knowet such an one caught up to the third heaven.
It is you that has no biblical foundation for this 3 levels of the heavenly kingdom.
The two verses you quoted say nothing about our hope of the divine nature of God
(New Testament | 2 Peter 1:4)
4 Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.
(New Testament | Revelation 3:21)
21 To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.
(New Testament | John 10:34 - 36)
34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?
35 If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;
36 Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?
The scriptures say Jesus became God
You said "The end result of that knowledge was ....." Actually this was the end result.I am not going against the bible--Jesus was God before He became man. Of course He "thought it not robbery to be equal with God"--He was already God with Him! JS has it all backwards---God the Son was always God then he became man, and retains His divinity now as well as His humanity. That is what the truth of the bible is. God becoming man. Not man becoming God. That is how much love our God has for us. JS was a man with a lust for power and it is his desire to be God that overrides what the truth of the bible says. It is the same desire that Lucifer has and that is the very same lie that he, now Satan, told to Eve---
Gen 3:5 For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.
The end result of that knowledge was
Gen 3:15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.
Gen 3:16 Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.
The result was not that Eve would now bare children, she would have anyway--now, however--it would be in pain. Had she not fallen, childbirth would not have brought discomfort, nor pain. But God provided a way out and He foretold Satan's end and the "bruise" that would befall Jesus.
It is the love of G
Gen 3:15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.
Gen 3:16 Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee. towards us that is shown by God the Son becoming man---it is not that man can become God!!
You are right, in order to be in Jesus's presence and withstand his glory, as you sit with him on his throne, you will need to be like him. Not blasphemy. Thank you.I have read Rev 1:14-15 before. However Rev 3:21 is not blasphemy. It is indeed Biblical scripture.
Right, you do not trust in your own understanding, but in the word of God, both biblical and through the Holy Spirit.I have heard and thought of Mormonism for decades. I made a terrible mistake becoming a member, but God was merciful and brought me to HIM.
Proverbs 3
5 Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding.
6 In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths.
Second heaven is not mentioned in the Bible nor is the first heaven. The Bible not give a description of the third heaven either, you are making an assumption based on your beliefs.Excuse me!! Look, read the bible--Jesus called the atmosphere around us the firmament, then He put the lights of the heavens, beyond our lights is the 2nd heaven--where the other galaxies are---His dwelling place is the 3rd heaven.
Gen 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
Gen 1:8 And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.
Gen 1:16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.
Gen 1:17 And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,
2Co_12:2 I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knowet such an one caught up to the third heaven.
It is you that has no biblical foundation for this 3 levels of the heavenly kingdom.
In this scripture God put the stars, which you call the second heaven in the firmament which you call the first heaven, so why would it be the first and second heaven?Excuse me!! Look, read the bible--Jesus called the atmosphere around us the firmament, then He put the lights of the heavens, beyond our lights is the 2nd heaven--where the other galaxies are---His dwelling place is the 3rd heaven.
Gen 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
Gen 1:8 And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.
Gen 1:16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.
Gen 1:17 And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,
2Co_12:2 I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knowet such an one caught up to the third heaven.
It is you that has no biblical foundation for this 3 levels of the heavenly kingdom.
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