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Discussion in 'Debate Other Religions & Faiths' started by Phoebe Ann, Mar 12, 2019.

  1. He is the way

    He is the way Well-Known Member

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    People are not given eternal life by belonging to a certain religion, denomination or sect. We are judged individually by our works.
    (New Testament | Revelation 20:12 - 15)

    12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
    13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
    14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
    15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

    That being said there are ordinances which a person needs before they can enter the kingdom of God. Those ordinances need to be performed according to God's law and by His authority.
     
  2. Phoebe Ann

    Phoebe Ann From Mormonism to Christ Supporter

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    Tell us the difference according to Mormonism between a sheep and a goat when Jesus divides them.

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  3. Phoebe Ann

    Phoebe Ann From Mormonism to Christ Supporter

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    Those laws and ordinances according to your church refer to several extra-biblical ones added by Joseph Smith and other false prophets.
     
  4. He is the way

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    God's sheep are those who obey Him, know Him, and do His will just as the chart shows. Who do you think God's sheep are? Those who know Him through keeping the commandments will have eternal life in the kingdom of God:
    (New Testament | John 17:3)
    3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.
    (New Testament | 1 John 2:4)
    4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
     
  5. He is the way

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    I think they are all in the Bible if you know where to look.

    First seek God and His kingdom.
     
  6. Phoebe Ann

    Phoebe Ann From Mormonism to Christ Supporter

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    I know where to look for Mormons' misquoted verses and additions to God's word. Add thou not unto His word.
     
  7. Phoebe Ann

    Phoebe Ann From Mormonism to Christ Supporter

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    Goats go to hell and sheep spend eternity with the Triune God!

    His sheep don't follow Joseph Smith and Brigham Young!
     
  8. He is the way

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    There are several translations of the Bible and they are all different in many ways. They can't all be right. However the greatest promise to have eternal life and live in God's kingdom is to keep the commandments.
     
  9. Phoebe Ann

    Phoebe Ann From Mormonism to Christ Supporter

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    WRONG! Do you want to know the Way, the truth, and the life? JESUS is the Way not Mormonism's extra-biblical commandments.
     
  10. mmksparbud

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    And that will get you exactly nowhere unless you have a personal, one on one relationship with the Father, Son and Hoi9ly Spirit. Keeping the commandments comes about because you love God, not in order to get into heaven and stay our of hell. It's called grace. It is God's grace alone that saves us, not what we do. You can't be with God if you have unrepentant sin, but you do not get into His presence by following the commandments only.

    Rom_6:14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.
    Rom_6:15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.
    Rom 6:22 But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life.
    Rom 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
     
  11. He is the way

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    I follow Jesus Christ and His prophets.
    (Old Testament | Ecclesiastes 12:13 - 14)

    13 ¶ Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man.
    14 For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil.
    This is the way to God's kingdom.
     
  12. He is the way

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    There is a way to God's kingdom, and it is by keeping the commandments.
     
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    The commandments are all about love. It is impossible to know God and not keep the commandments because God is love. If you want to have eternal life with God in his kingdom you need to obey the commandments. This is made perfectly clear in the Bible:
    (New Testament | John 14:15 - 24)

    15 ¶ If ye love me, keep my commandments.
    16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;
    17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.
    18 I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.
    19 Yet a little while, and the world seeth me no more; but ye see me: because I live, ye shall live also.
    20 At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you.
    21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.
    22 Judas saith unto him, not Iscariot, Lord, how is it that thou wilt manifest thyself unto us, and not unto the world?
    23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.
    24 He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me.
    We were given the commandments so we could learn what love is. By living the commandments we learn love:

    (New Testament | 1 John 2:4)

    4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
     
  14. Phoebe Ann

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    Joseph Smith said he's an exalted man.

    "God himself was once as we are now, and is an exalted man, and sits enthroned in yonder heavens! That is the great secret."
    The King Follett Sermon
     
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  16. Peter1000

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    I am not adding words.
    Directly from the bible:
    1) Genesis 1:26-27 God (and others) create man, male and female.
    2) Genesis 2:5 However, man is not found on the earth yet.
    3) Genesis 2:6-7 Man is created on the earth.
    4) Genesis 2:9 Plants are created on the earth.
    5) Genesis 2:19 Animals are created on the earth.
    6: Genesis 2:22 Eve is created on the earth.

    So if you are a curious type you have to ask the question, if all this creation on the earth was done in Genesis 2, where did the creation in Genesis 1 take place?

    I could go with your explanation that Genesis 1 was the creation, and Genesis 2 gave more details about Genesis 1. But then you have to answer why is there vs 5, placed right between the creation story of Genesis 1 and the creation story of Genesis 2. Why did God tell us that man was not created on the earth yet?

    You need to change your story to: God told us about the creation in Genesis 1, but then put vs 5 to let us know that it was just a story, and not the real deal. Then he did the real deal in Genesis chapter 2. That might work, but it is unsatisfying.

    But quite close to that is what JS says. In Genesis 1, God created everything in heaven spiritually. He lets us know that by giving us vs 5, and then creates everything naturally on the earth in Genesis 2.

    I will tell you, if a well respected, mainstream Christian writer came up with that scenario, It would be an instant sensation and you would believe it in a minute. But if JS says that's the way it is, it is the stupidest thing you have ever heard of.

    You are exactly right, that is what I have been arguing. The bible is silent about Adam and Eve having children before the fall, so to say it is possible or not is just subjective opinion. And who told you they were capable of having children? Who told you how long they were in the garden prior to being expelled? It was not the bible
    The bible only tells us they did not have children in the garden, and that is our position.
    If you want to take a different position you will have to line it up with the bible. Do it.
     
  17. Peter1000

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    You are absolutely speculating. Show me the verse where they had children? You can't, so since you can't, you have to have come up with an opinion. Your opinion is based on: What God commands, will be done. For he spake, and it was done.

    Well that is all well, he said to have children, so you speculate that they would have eventually had children based on God commanded it.

    That is a good opinion, but a speculative opinion at best. It is speculative at best because your opinion is base on a faulty assumption. I will show you:
    1) God commanded Adam and Eve to multiply and replenish the earth.
    2) GOD COMMANDED ADAM TO NOT PARTAKE OF THE FRUIT OF THE TREE OF GOOD AND EVIL. HE PARTOOK, SPECIFICALLY AGAINST THE COMMAND OF GOD. SO APPARENTLY WHAT GOD COMMANDS, DOES NOT ALWAYS COME TO PASS.

    Therefore if they partook of the fruit against God's command, they did not have children against God's command either. Besides the bible is silent about if they did or not. God argue with the bible.

    Adam and Eve did not have children before the fall. Whether they could have or not is just an opinion. Your opinion is faulty about God commanding and it be done. That may be leading you to an faulty conclusion that they certainly would have had children if they did not fall. But we will never know that will we? That is why it is speculation at best.

    I believe the biological urges were different in the garden. That is why they were naked and they were not ashamed. They did not know they were naked. So the biological issue was mute until the fall, then they knew each other and were one flesh and they had finally had children, Yeah!

    You get the final word on this subject, but this is my final word. It is just not that important to go on and on about.
     
  18. He is the way

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    What do the scriptures say? What does this have to do with the gospel or celestial marriage?
    (Old Testament | Job 1:6)

    6 ¶ Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them.
    (Old Testament | Job 2:1)

    1 AGAIN there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them to present himself before the LORD.
     
  19. He is the way

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    According to the Bible Jesus is an exalted man:

    (New Testament | Philippians 2:5 - 6)

    5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:
    6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:

    Paul is looking forward to having the calling of God also:

    (New Testament | Philippians 3:13 - 15)

    13 Brethren, I count not myself to have apprehended: but this one thing I do, forgetting those things which are behind, and reaching forth unto those things which are before,
    14 I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus.
    15 Let us therefore, as many as be perfect, be thus minded: and if in any thing ye be otherwise minded, God shall reveal even this unto you.

    What does this have to do with celestial marriage?
     
  20. mmksparbud

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    What in the world makes you think that Gen 1 and Gen 2 are 2 differed t creations???? As for why it says that there was no man yet----THERE WASN'T!! It was day 5 and there was no man yet. What is the big deal??? There is no such thing as God created spiritually first---JS is not a prophet of God and nothing he says is true. Again---no Adam and Eve did not have children in the garden. So what? That in no way equates to they NEVER would have if they had not fallen!!! There is nothing about spirit creations or that God made it impossible for Adam and Eve to follow His command to be fruitful and multiply. Nothing in the bible says any such thing.
     
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