You said we follow mans law, but there is no law against me lying to you. But whats God say? Can you answer that question please?Verbal contracts are binding as well as written ones. But harder to enforce.
Law is the culmination of formalized morality.
Morality includes unwritten law as well and that which is codified in local law.
It's not moral to eat dinner for free in the grocery store.
But tasting the grapes is requested by management.
So not all law is in writing and agreed upon by majority vote.
As I was saying, the written code does not work well.
You said we follow mans law, but there is no law against me lying to you. But whats God say? Can you answer that question please?
Forget the forums, in the world i can lie to you without breaking mans law. But whats God say about lying? Do you know what the scriptures say about lying?There is the law the Holy Spirit has written in your heart. You might be a pedophile looking for a hookup. There are laws against you communicating with me as a minor. There are plenty of written laws protecting me as a minor from your lying ways trying to get into my pants. I think the forum has some rules about self identification and honesty.
Forget the forums, in the world i can lie to you without breaking mans law. But whats God say about lying?
No, thats not what scriptures say about lying.
But those scriptures are not what you posted.Sure does:
Ephesians 4:25
Therefore, having put away falsehood, let each one of you speak the truth with his neighbor, for we are members one of another.
Colossians 3:9-10
Do not lie to one another, seeing that you have put off the old self with its practices and have put on the new self, which is being renewed in knowledge after the image of its creator.
Luke 8:17
For nothing is hidden that will not be made manifest, nor is anything secret that will not be known and come to light.
Exodus 20:16
“You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.
Proverbs 19:5 s
A false witness will not go unpunished, and he who breathes out lies will not escape.
But those scriptures are not what you posted.
That scripture doesnt teach us about lying. Why you are quoting i dont know.Sometimes I make up sentences that are not direct scripture quotes. It happens.
New International Version
If anyone, then, knows the good they ought to do and doesn't do it, it is sin for them.
New Living Translation
Remember, it is sin to know what you ought to do and then not do it.
English Standard Version
So whoever knows the right thing to do and fails to do it, for him it is sin.
Berean Study Bible
Therefore, whoever knows the right thing to do, yet fails to do it, is guilty of sin.
Berean Literal Bible
Therefore to the one knowing to do good, and not doing, it is sin.
New American Standard Bible
Therefore, to one who knows the right thing to do and does not do it, to him it is sin.
King James Bible
Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth it not, to him it is sin.
Christian Standard Bible
So it is sin to know the good and yet not do it.
Contemporary English Version
If you don't do what you know is right, you have sinned.
That scripture doesnt teach us about lying. Why you are quoting i dont know.
Why are you quoting Gods law instead of mans law? You said Gods law is replaced by mans law. (Note that when i refer to Gods law im referring to the law of Christ, and that to me is the commands of the Lord and His apostles)Ok, I'll put the two things together:
Ephesians 4:25
Therefore, having put away falsehood, let each one of you speak the truth with his neighbor, for we are members one of another.
New International Version
If anyone, then, knows the good they ought to do and doesn't do it, it is sin for them.
Colossians 3:9-10
Do not lie to one another, seeing that you have put off the old self with its practices and have put on the new self, which is being renewed in knowledge after the image of its creator.
Luke 8:17
For nothing is hidden that will not be made manifest, nor is anything secret that will not be known and come to light.
Berean Study Bible
Therefore, whoever knows the right thing to do, yet fails to do it, is guilty of sin.
Exodus 20:16
“You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.
New American Standard Bible
Therefore, to one who knows the right thing to do and does not do it, to him it is sin.
Proverbs 19:5
A false witness will not go unpunished, and he who breathes out lies will not escape.
Berean Study Bible
Therefore, whoever knows the right thing to do, yet fails to do it, is guilty of sin.
Why are you quoting Gods law instead of mans law? You said Gods law is replaced by mans law. (Note that when i refer to Gods law im referring to the law of Christ, and that to me is the commands of the Lord and His apostles)
But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets. Romans 3:21
Grace is a gift while the Law is earning. Knowledge of good and evil is the Tree of knowledge(The Law) in Eden. Adam and Eve(Jews) ate the fruit of that tree and were cast out of paradise and could never return. Adam's curse was to work the soil, which is man's works. (Judaism)
The Tree of Life is Jesus Christ. The Garden of Eden is righteousness, God's rest. (Grace)
Love is a fruit of the saved, not a work to be saved
They are behaviours that the Christian needs to attend to we are not mockers and brawlers, we don't steal or lie. Because the Spirit of God lives in us. But the moment we try to "get more saved with works" we will fall deeper into sin. 1 Corinthians 15:56 The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law...
GRACE IS FOR OBEDIENCE ...never seen it like that.. I Like "By whom we have received grace and apostleship, for obedience to the faith among all nations, for his name:"
When one uses the word "law".. need to explain more. Well the law of Moses? I think your talking about Gods moral law.. the 10 commandments.. yet some Jewish people read 15.. some only 9.. yet all are in just 2. Keep those.. and you have kept all.
Should be easy to see.. when He says.. "Moreover the law entered, that the offence might abound. But where sin abounded, grace did much more abound:" Grace..Gods unmerited favor. Which is used 170 times in the NT. For me.. never has He said shown me in any way its for obedience.
I think you have to go back to the beginning when there was only one law. Do not eat of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. Note that this is the "knowledge" of what already exists , good and evil, but without Adam and Eve's knowledge of it.
Now grace existed before the first sin. God made us with His Grace and in His image. After all, Grace means , favor, blessing, or even kindness, so God had this relationship with Adam and Eve from the beginning. He favored them over the plants and animals, He blessed them by giving them not only a paradise to live in but also a relationship with Him and His kindness abounded. So in other words from the beginning grace was given then Adam and Eve fell from Grace and now we have it back through Jesus Christ of Nazareth. "The Law" technically has nothing to do with it as it was not God's wish that man be under the law but His wish that man be under His Grace.
Not read Romans YET?
Romans 7:1-25
Or do you not know, brothers—for I am speaking to those who know the law—that the law is binding on a person only as long as he lives? For a married woman is bound by law to her husband while he lives, but if her husband dies she is released from the law of marriage. Accordingly, she will be called an adulteress if she lives with another man while her husband is alive. But if her husband dies, she is free from that law, and if she marries another man she is not an adulteress. Likewise, my brothers, you also have
died to the law
through the body of Christ, so that you may belong to another, to him who has been raised from the dead, in order that we may bear fruit for God. For while we were living in the flesh, our sinful passions, aroused by the law, were at work in our members to bear fruit for death.
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