Sure you should probably make a new thread or PM me because we have already derailed this one.
This thread and umpteen others have been derailed the same way.
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Sure you should probably make a new thread or PM me because we have already derailed this one.
From what I can see it's been a discussion among many posters.This thread and umpteen others have been derailed the same way.
God wrote and spoke these Word:
Exodus 20: 8 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy.
Your argument is not with me.
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[ˈhalō]
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- honor as holy.
Ezekiel 20:20 And hallow my sabbaths; and they shall be a sign between me and you, that ye may know that I am the Lord your God.
Isaiah 58: 13 If thou turn away thy foot from the sabbath, from doing thy pleasure on my holy day; and call the sabbath a delight, the holy of the Lord, honourable; and shalt honour him, not doing thine own ways, nor finding thine own pleasure, nor speaking thine own words:
14 Then shalt thou delight thyself in the Lord; and I will cause thee to ride upon the high places of the earth, and feed thee with the heritage of Jacob thy father: for the mouth of the Lord hath spoken it.
Isaiah 66:23
23 And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the Lord.
These scriptures to me seem pretty easy to understand. I guess we will have to agree to disagree
Does Jesus advocate to take the wide and more popular path? Matthew 7:14Yes me and 95% of the Body of Christ (that's not part of God's remnant of course) will have to agree to disagree. At least you guys say there's no eternal torment.
Does Jesus advocate to take the wide and more popular path? Matthew 7:14
You're adding to what I said, I quoted scripture. It's up to you to believe the scriptures as it is written or not.Yep, that's Jesus is talking about the SDA church again, just like in Matthew 16:18.
You adding to what I said, I quoted Jesus. It's up to you to believe the scriptures as it is written or not.
God bless and thanks for the discussion.
Saying "Does Jesus advocate to take the wide and more popular path?" is not quoting scripture. It's a blatantly clear insinuation that nearly all of Christianity is the wide path that leads to destruction, and the SDA church is the narrow gate that leads to life.
You're right, here is the exact scripture. This is not SDA scripture, this is what Jesus taught.
Mathew 7:13 “Enter by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and there are many who go in by it. 14 Because narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to life, and there are few who find it.
I interpret this to this to mean following popular belief is not necessarily correct, especially when the popular belief is not followlling the commandments of God, when Jesus teaches us we should obey God's commandments, not commandments of man. Mathew 15:3-9
Interesting, but where is the scripture that says the first day is a day of worship? Or a holy day, God's Sabbath, or a day that God blessed and sanctified? Does the word holy or the day God blessed seem worthy of a day of worship or a day God told us to work? Exodus 20:8-11NeitherJesus nor the 4th commandment says you have to go to church on Saturday. That's a latter day man made doctrine. I've never understood how Christians can get so deeply sucked into someone's doctrine whether it be Ellen White or John Calvin etc.
Maybe you can quote the exact scripture because I don't see it.Acts of the Apostles 20:7
You don't see the link that I gave in that post? You included it in your reply.Maybe you can quote the exact scripture because I don't see it.
That depends on whether a person, any person, considers the Bible to be the revealed word of God and authoritative...or not.Where does it say the first day is God's holy day or a day of worship?
No, it refers to the sacred meal we more often call Holy Communion. Other passages in Scripture, as well as church history, show us that this was the meaning.Sounds like they had a meal together which they did often.
You are reading into what is not there. There is no scripture in the entire bible that says God's seventh day Sabbath has been changed to the first day. God commanded us to keep the seventh day Sabbath holy Exodus 20:8-11. We will be worshipping God on His chosen Sabbath day for eternity Isaiah 66:23. Our God is not a God of confusion, If Jesus was going to change God's Sabbath day He would have mentioned at least once in the Bible and to only change it back again on the New Earth. This is a teaching of man that leads people to break God's 4th commandment and one Jesus warned us about Mathew 15:3-9. You can believe as you wish, but it doesn't change the Truth.You don't see the link that I gave in that post? You included it in your reply.
That depends on whether a person, any person, considers the Bible to be the revealed word of God and authoritative...or not.
No, it refers to the sacred meal we more often call Holy Communion. Other passages in Scripture, as well as church history, show us that this was the meaning.
And so that is the conclusion of this kind of discussion, just as it was the previous ten or so times.You are reading into what is not there.
I doesn't say that though. Very clearly.And so that is the conclusion of this kind of discussion, just as it was the previous ten or so times.
The question is asked, "where does it say?"
Then the most relevant Bible verse is given in response.
Then the reply is either that some other verse is preferred by the inquirer, or else the one that was given is said to mean something other than what the Christian church (with the exception of a small minority of Christians during the past few centuries) has taken it to mean for these past 2000 or so years.
Regardless of how one wants to look at the matter, that's all there is except for the side issues that sometimes take over at this point.
You have the floor. Show us why the church has been wrong about this for almost 2000 years.I doesn't say that though. Very clearly.
1. To break bread ceremonially is a reference to the sacrament of Holy Communion, i.e. the Lord's Supper, which I explained already.I do not see where it says to worship God on the first day or that is God's new holy day.
Not at all, and no one here has shown that this is what Sunday worship represents.You would literally have to disregard the commandments of God and teachings of Jesus to make this one verse say what you hope it says.
You have the floor. Show us why the church has been wrong about this for almost 2000 years.
1. To break bread ceremonially is a reference to the sacrament of Holy Communion, i.e. the Lord's Supper, which I explained already.
2. The Bible AUTHORIZES the Church to make Sunday its principle day of worship. It is not necessary that God be quoted as saying "Do it on Sunday!"
Not at all, and no one here has shown that this is what Sunday worship represents.
Interesting, but where is the scripture that says the first day is a day of worship? Or a holy day, God's Sabbath, or a day that God blessed and sanctified? Does the word holy or the day God blessed seem worthy of a day of worship or a day God told us to work? Exodus 20:8-11
Luke 4:16 So He came to Nazareth, where He had been brought up. And as His custom was, He went into the synagogue on the Sabbath day, and stood up to read.
We are told the Sabbath is a holy convocation Lev 23:3
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I do find it odd you keep accusing me of following man-made doctrine when all I have quoted was scripture from the Bible.
Writing a bunch of stuff and then tacking a scripture reference to it is not quoting scripture, is doctrinal paraphrasing.
The Bible doesn't say any single day is a day of worship. Your doctrine mixes up the word sabbath which means rest, with the word worship. I already know everything EGW came up with to back up her go to church on Saturday, because we're not Catholics doctrine. Of course everyone went to the Temple on the national day off, because they were too busy working the other six days. Ellen never managed to find any verse making it a stipulation of the sabbath. The only stipulation of the sabbath is ceasing from labors.