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Discussion in 'Denomination Specific Theology' started by Fidelibus, May 28, 2021.

  1. MMXX

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    This thread and umpteen others have been derailed the same way.
     
  2. SabbathBlessings

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    From what I can see it's been a discussion among many posters.
     
  3. MMXX

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    Yes me and 95% of the Body of Christ (that's not part of God's remnant of course) will have to agree to disagree. At least you guys say there's no eternal torment.
     
  4. SabbathBlessings

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    Does Jesus advocate to take the wide and more popular path? Matthew 7:14
     
  5. MMXX

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    Yep, that's Jesus is talking about the SDA church again, just like in Matthew 16:18.
     
  6. SabbathBlessings

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    You're adding to what I said, I quoted scripture. It's up to you to believe the scriptures as it is written or not.

    God bless and thanks for the discussion.
     
  7. MMXX

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    Saying "Does Jesus advocate to take the wide and more popular path?" is not quoting scripture. It's a blatantly clear insinuation that nearly all of Christianity is the wide path that leads to destruction, and the SDA church is the narrow gate that leads to life.
     
  8. SabbathBlessings

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    You're right, here is the exact scripture. This is not SDA scripture, this is what Jesus taught.

    Mathew 7:13 “Enter by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and there are many who go in by it. 14 Because narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to life, and there are few who find it.

    I interpret this to this to mean following popular belief is not necessarily correct, especially when the popular belief is not following the commandments of God, when Jesus teaches us we should obey God's commandments, not commandments of man. Mathew 15:3-9

    I have never once said only SDA's will be saved. You keep saying I say that, so please quote me, otherwise, I would greatly appreciate it you would stop putting words in my mouth that I have not said. I already told you I do not believe all SDA's will be saved, nor do I believe only Adventists will be saved. I do believe we should follow the teachings of the Bible and obey God over teaching of man that lead many to break God's laws. Anyone can obey God's laws, its is an open invitation to all. There will be a time though, much like the days of Noah, where it will be too late. I do believe our Savior is coming soon!
     
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  9. MMXX

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    NeitherJesus nor the 4th commandment says you have to go to church on Saturday. That's a latter day man made doctrine. I've never understood how Christians can get so deeply sucked into someone's doctrine whether it be Ellen White or John Calvin etc.
     
  10. SabbathBlessings

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    Interesting, but where is the scripture that says the first day is a day of worship? Or a holy day, God's Sabbath, or a day that God blessed and sanctified? Does the word holy or the day God blessed seem worthy of a day of worship or a day God told us to work? Exodus 20:8-11

    Luke 4:16 So He came to Nazareth, where He had been brought up. And as His custom was, He went into the synagogue on the Sabbath day, and stood up to read.

    We are told the Sabbath is a holy convocation Lev 23:3

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    I do find it odd you keep accusing me of following man-made doctrine when all I have quoted was scripture from the Bible.
     
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  11. Albion

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    Acts of the Apostles 20:7
     
  12. SabbathBlessings

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    Maybe you can quote the exact scripture because I don't see it.

    Where does it say the first day is God's holy day or a day of worship? God only deemed the seventh day in the entire bible.

    Acts 20:7 And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight.

    This meeting discussed in Acts 20 was held on the dark part of Sunday, or on what we now call Saturday night. It was a Saturday night meeting, and it lasted until midnight. Paul was on a farewell tour and knew he would not see these people again (verse 25). No wonder he preached so long! (No regular weekly service would have lasted all night.) Paul was “ready to depart the next day” (verse 7). The breaking of bread has no particular significance here, because they broke bread daily (Acts 2:46). There is no indication in this passage that the first day is holy, nor that these early Christians considered it so. Nor is there any evidence that the Sabbath had been changed. (Incidentally, this meeting is probably mentioned only because of the miracle of raising Eutychus back to life after he fell to his death.) In Ezekiel 46:1, God refers to Sunday as one of the six “working days.



    Jesus preached every Sabbath day according to Luke 4:16.

    And Paul, as his manner was, went in unto them, and three sabbath days reasoned with them out of the scriptures,(Acts 17:2).

    “Paul and his party … went into the synagogue on the Sabbath day and sat down” (Acts 13:13, 14).

    “On the Sabbath day we went out of the city to the riverside, where prayer was customarily made; and we sat down and spoke to the women who met there” (Acts 16:13).

    “[Paul] reasoned in the synagogue every Sabbath, and persuaded both Jews and Greeks” (Acts 18:4).
     
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  13. Albion

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    You don't see the link that I gave in that post? You included it in your reply.

    That depends on whether a person, any person, considers the Bible to be the revealed word of God and authoritative...or not.

    No, it refers to the sacred meal we more often call Holy Communion. Other passages in Scripture, as well as church history, show us that this was the meaning.
     
  14. SabbathBlessings

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    You are reading into what is not there. There is no scripture in the entire bible that says God's seventh day Sabbath has been changed to the first day. God commanded us to keep the seventh day Sabbath holy Exodus 20:8-11. We will be worshipping God on His chosen Sabbath day for eternity Isaiah 66:23. Our God is not a God of confusion, If Jesus was going to change God's Sabbath day He would have mentioned at least once in the Bible and to only change it back again on the New Earth. This is a teaching of man that leads people to break God's 4th commandment and one Jesus warned us about Mathew 15:3-9. You can believe as you wish, but it doesn't change the Truth.
     
  15. Albion

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    And so that is the conclusion of this kind of discussion, just as it was the previous ten or so times.

    The question is asked, "where does it say?"

    Then the most relevant Bible verse is given in response.

    Then the reply is either that some other verse is preferred by the inquirer, or else the one that was given is said to mean something other than what the Christian church (with the exception of a small minority of Christians during the past few centuries) has taken it to mean for these past 2000 or so years.

    Regardless of how one wants to look at the matter, that's all there is except for the side issues that sometimes take over at this point.

    :)
     
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  16. SabbathBlessings

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    I doesn't say that though. Very clearly.

    I do not see where it says to worship God on the first day or that it is God's new holy day. You would literally have to disregard the commandments of God and teachings of Jesus to make this one verse say what you hope it says. It's not a commandment from God "Thou shalt Remember my holy day, the first day." You are adding words to God and we are told to not do that. Proverbs 30:5,6
     
  17. Albion

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    You have the floor. Show us why the church has been wrong about this for almost 2000 years.

    1. To break bread ceremonially is a reference to the sacrament of Holy Communion, i.e. the Lord's Supper, which I explained already.

    2. The Bible AUTHORIZES the Church to make Sunday its principle day of worship. It is not necessary that God be quoted as saying "Do it on Sunday!"

    Not at all, and no one here has shown that this is what Sunday worship represents.
     
  18. SabbathBlessings

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    If God wanted us to worship Him on the first day, He would have told us. Jesus would have too after He rose when He met with His disciples , not a word.

    God did not grant anyone to change His commandments. This is not coming from God.

    Proverbs 30: 5. Every word of God is pure;
    He is a shield to those who put their trust in Him.
    6 Do not add to His words,
    Lest He rebuke you, and you be found a liar.

    Psalms 89:34 My covenant I will not break,
    Nor alter the word that has gone out of My lips.


    Psalms 111:7 The works of His hands are verity and justice;
    All His precepts are sure.
    8 They stand fast forever and ever,
    And are done in truth and uprightness.

    You can believe want you want, but this teaching is not coming from scriptures or God.

    This is how you know its coming from God:

    Isaiah 8:20 To the law and to the testimony! If they do not speak according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.

    I want to be where the light is because that is where our Savior is. I pray this helps. God bless
     
  19. MMXX

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    Writing a bunch of stuff and then tacking a scripture reference to it is not quoting scripture, it's reciting doctrinal apologetics.
     
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  20. SabbathBlessings

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    Why don't you tell me where I was doctrinal paraphrasing instead of just accusing me.

    I'm willing to go through this again and you can correct me with scripture where I am doing that. Otherwise, again, please stop accusing me of things I have not said or did. If you do not agree with God's Word well you need to take that up with Him.

    God said to keep His Sabbath holy. Am I doctrinal paraphrasing?

    Exodus 20:8 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy.

    God wrote this with His own hand- so tell me how I am doctrinal paraphrasing when it's a direct quote.

    God went on to DEFINE His commandment, but keeping the Sabbath holy is the commandment.

    Exodus 20:9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates. 11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.

    Next scripture I quoted:

    Luke 4:16 So He came to Nazareth, where He had been brought up. And as His custom was, He went into the synagogue on the Sabbath day, and stood up to read. 17 And He was handed the book of the prophet Isaiah. And when He had opened the book, He found the place where it was written:

    Jesus teaching on the Sabbath day as was His custom. Reading from scripture.

    Last scripture:
    Leviticus 23: 3 ‘Six days shall work be done, but the seventh day is a Sabbath of solemn rest, a holy convocation. You shall do no work on it; it is the Sabbath of the Lord in all your dwellings.

    Please tell me what I was doctrinal paraphrasing? That is a serious accusation to make, so instead of continuing to throw out these wild accusations about me, please back up what you are saying through scriptures. Otherwise, can you please stop falsely accusing me of things I am not doing. I would greatly appreciate it.
     
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